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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 683930 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#467832 Aug 1, 2013
Dan wrote:
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No "catlick" would be so presumptuous, Ox.
Catholics from the get-go were presumptuous.
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Athanasian Creed
1. Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#467833 Aug 1, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
When someone is beginning the spiritual life
:)

Praise ALLAH!
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#467834 Aug 1, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Anthony MN"
Disagree.“… for in Christ Jesus, you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ”(Gal 3:26,27).
Faith is what brings one to baptism in which we are baptized "into" and "put on Christ".
**********
Not to be disagreeable, but I came to Christ in a VERY real experience, but it was several months before I had opportunity to be baptized. I was IN CHRIST, and He definitely was in me all the while until then.
Those were baptized into Christ BECAUSE they had 'put on Christ'.
KayMarie
I can't speak to your experience, but St. Paul is saying that we are baptized "into" Christ and "put on" Christ through baptism.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#467835 Aug 1, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
I've already explained many times that if Jesus existed he agreed with his father allowing the devil and hell to exist and flourish ... et cetera.
Do you suppose that while this Jesus character was busy preaching about love that he went along with his father commanding people to kill each other???
If you do, you are loony tunes.
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Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed.(Leviticus 20:9)
If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die.(Leviticus 20:10).
If a man sleeps with his father's wife... both him and his father's wife is to be put to death.(Leviticus 20:11)
If a man sleeps with his wife and her mother they are all to be burnt to death.(Leviticus 20:14)
If a man or woman has sex with an animal, both human and animal must be killed.(Leviticus 20:15-16).
If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be "cut off from their people" (Leviticus 20:18)
Psychics, wizards, and so on are to be stoned to death.(Leviticus 20:27)
If a priest's daughter is a whore, she is to be burnt at the stake.(Leviticus 21:9)
People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18)
Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community.(Leviticus 24:14-16)
Better yet, anyone who thinks that Leviticus represents Jesus' teachings is really "loony tunes".
Dan

Omaha, NE

#467836 Aug 1, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Catholics from the get-go were presumptuous.
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Athanasian Creed
1. Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith
Which doesn't speak to personal presumption of being saved nor perfect.

Thanks for playing.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#467837 Aug 1, 2013
Orthodox Teaching re Authority

Orthodox faithful, then, should not seek "refuge" in the simplistic belief that supreme authority lies in the hands of a patriarch, or in ecumenical councils, or in certain local synods, or perhaps in the local bishop.

Such notions are not entirely erroneous, but they are surely limited, threatening to objectify and institutionalize the Church. Synods and Bishops are sources of authority which operate primarily in cases of conflict and necessity, that is in abnormal situations such as the condemnation of heresy or the establishment of disciplinary order and pastoral care.

Authority in the Church is in the final analysis undefinable, never limited to an order or council or to any one individual or group of individuals.

Ecclesial authority is the experience of the mystery of God in Christ through the Spirit who guides the Church.

This reality is incarnate and exercised as a mutual subordination of love deriving from the sharing in common of the saving mysterious life of the Church.

This is the all-transcending and binding authority, the dimension of the Church beyond any kind of structure and institution and organization

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#467838 Aug 1, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
And here is the Catholic indoctrination coming back to surface.
What I posted is not taught in Catholicism.

DOH!!

Why don't you just stop while you can? You really haven't any clue or truth to what you imply or try to imply.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#467839 Aug 1, 2013
who="Anthony MN"
I can't speak to your experience, but St. Paul is saying that we are baptized "into" Christ and "put on" Christ through baptism.
**********

Do you understand that 'putting on Christ' is not just a matter of mentally/verbally agreeing with some church or person about their teachings?

I 'put on Christ' when I responded to His invitation to me. I followed Him in baptism when I had opportunity. I didn't shake a preachers hand, nor sign a conversion card. I met Him.

KayMarie

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#467840 Aug 1, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
If as according to you Christians are only half-following the will of Jesus ... do you believe that you are following the WHOLE will of Jesus ... by any chance???
:)
Silly people!
I try to be complete with what Jesus taught, and apply them to myself and my life.

If I am not, please show me where I am not.

Thanks!
Dan

Omaha, NE

#467841 Aug 1, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
What I posted is not taught in Catholicism.
DOH!!
Why don't you just stop while you can? You really haven't any clue or truth to what you imply or try to imply.
For what it's worth, June embodies a lab practicum in the ills of "self", at least when it comes to making up your own facts.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#467842 Aug 1, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:

Disagree.“… for in Christ Jesus, you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ”(Gal 3:26,27).
Faith is what brings one to baptism in which we are baptized "into" and "put on Christ".

New Age responded with:

Incorrect.

For Catholicism, a chiild's "faith" did not bring the child to be baptized, but in fact, it was the faith of the child's parent that brought them to their baptism.

Why are you trying to mislead people.
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
He said "faith brings one to baptism". He didn't say "the child's faith", I don't think.
"Faith is what brings one to baptism in which we are baptized "into" and "put on Christ". "

A infant/child cannot make it to his/her own Christening - that which he/she is baptized - by his/her own faith, because there is no indication that an infant/child has this capacity to understand what faith is - so this aspect of Anthony's statement is false and misleading, because the infant/child is brought by the parents and "their faith".

Please stop twisting the words around to what you want to interpret them to be. You are starting to sound like the Protestants.

*sighs*
Dan

Omaha, NE

#467843 Aug 1, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Anthony MN"
I can't speak to your experience, but St. Paul is saying that we are baptized "into" Christ and "put on" Christ through baptism.
**********
Do you understand that 'putting on Christ' is not just a matter of mentally/verbally agreeing with some church or person about their teachings?
I 'put on Christ' when I responded to His invitation to me. I followed Him in baptism when I had opportunity. I didn't shake a preachers hand, nor sign a conversion card. I met Him.
KayMarie
?

"'putting on Christ' is not just a matter of mentally/verbally agreeing with some church or person about their teachings?"

.....unless it's you doing so, mentally agreeing to Christ's invitation.(??)

That's what you've said above.

Anthony said the Baptism is "putting on Christ". That isn't a matter of mental/verbal agreement. It's an act of faith.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#467844 Aug 1, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Um, maybe because the passages from Leviticus aren't attributed to Jesus?
Why do you have to ask this, when you know very well Jesus didn't write anything down.

Which could imply that you also agree that those passages are no longer valid, thus making the OT in error and no longer considered as "true"?

Or will you divert and twist out another "that's not what I mean".

Do you think we will see you use honesty the next time you explain the "truth"?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#467845 Aug 1, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
You still USE the convenient Scriptures and instruct others how they should behave and believe if they want to follow Jesus not just in part, but in whole.
You are some arrogant.
Correct.

Combining the NT and the non-canonical, one then can see a complete picture of what Jesus taught.

"You are some arrogant."
- I am "some arrogant" - "what"?? You seemed to have missed a word. C'mon now June - if you are going to admonish me and insult my intelligence, maybe you should post complete sentences describing that "arrogance".

Don't be shy.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#467846 Aug 1, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
My post from yesterday. Can you answer the question at the bottome?
"Not grasping at all. I've done evertything the SBC says I should do. Here's what the SBC says:
Are you ready to accept the gift of eternal life that Jesus is offering you right now? Let's review what this commitment involves:
I acknowledge I am a sinner in need of a Savior - this is to repent or turn away from sin
I believe in my heart that God raised Jesus from the dead - this is to trust that Jesus paid the full penalty for my sins
I confess Jesus as my Lord and my God - this is to surrender control of my life to Jesus
I receive Jesus as my Savior forever - this is to accept that God has done for me and in me what He promised
Are they missing anything? "
You copied a guideline on How to become a Christian and presented it as your testimony on your "salvation"...you did not copy and paste all of it....

testimony: A public declaration regarding a religious experience.

You would have been better going to this web site and fabricated a testimony...

Sample Testimony

When it comes to sharing your testimony, focus on a few key points:

What your life was like before Christ
How you came to know Him
Include the gospel. Share that Christ alone, not works, has saved you.
How your life is different today because of Him
Share a passage of scripture from which God has spoken to you.

Here's a good example of how your testimony might go:

I grew up in a Christian family, so I was surrounded by God and the church from the very beginning. I was raised in a Christian home, but just followed through the motions of doing “Christian things” that I thought you were supposed to do. I didn’t know Him, I just knew about Him.

I found myself searching for purpose and meaning in people and also in myself. Whether that was my friends or in relationships, I poured my whole heart into them. I also became very fixated on myself and my image. I became very consumed with what people thought of me and was living for the acceptance of the world.

At my lowest point when I was alone and afraid, God drew me to Himself. From growing up in a Christian home, I knew what to do. I knew that He could save me if I just let Him. I confessed that I am a sinner and that I was trying to find life in other people and myself. I acknowledged that He sent Jesus to die on the cross so that I can be saved from my sin and have eternal life. I committed to living for God instead of others.

Since knowing Him, God showed me that being a “Christian” isn’t about just doing good works. He made it clear that I do not have to earn my salvation or His love (Eph. 2:8-9). He has given me fulfillment and purpose and joy. I am not perfect and I still mess up, but God loves me despite my flaws and imperfections. And when the things I was pursuing before continually let me down, God has never once left me. He has shown Himself to me in His Word, the Bible, in (verse of scripture). God loved me even at my lowest point and He rescued me from myself and eternal separation from Him.

Dan

Omaha, NE

#467847 Aug 1, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
Anthony MN wrote:
Disagree.“… for in Christ Jesus, you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ”(Gal 3:26,27).
Faith is what brings one to baptism in which we are baptized "into" and "put on Christ".
New Age responded with:
Incorrect.
For Catholicism, a chiild's "faith" did not bring the child to be baptized, but in fact, it was the faith of the child's parent that brought them to their baptism.
Why are you trying to mislead people.
<quoted text>
"Faith is what brings one to baptism in which we are baptized "into" and "put on Christ". "
A infant/child cannot make it to his/her own Christening - that which he/she is baptized - by his/her own faith, because there is no indication that an infant/child has this capacity to understand what faith is - so this aspect of Anthony's statement is false and misleading, because the infant/child is brought by the parents and "their faith".
Please stop twisting the words around to what you want to interpret them to be. You are starting to sound like the Protestants.
*sighs*
No one mentioned the infant approaching for Baptism on their own but you. Twice now, it's only been you.

Anthony didn't, that's for sure.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#467848 Aug 1, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Especially yours! Self!
:)
No - everyone.

I don't put myself above any other person.

We all put our pants on the same way. I am no different. I am not special.

I am honest. That maybe the difference you are referring to - and referring to it, inadequately.

:o)
Dan

Omaha, NE

#467849 Aug 1, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you have to ask this, when you know very well Jesus didn't write anything down.
Which could imply that you also agree that those passages are no longer valid, thus making the OT in error and no longer considered as "true"?
Or will you divert and twist out another "that's not what I mean".
Do you think we will see you use honesty the next time you explain the "truth"?
June attributed the teachings in Leviticus to Jesus.

They aren't attributable to Jesus.

It's ancient Mosaic law.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#467850 Aug 1, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
So why aren't you following HIS commands as should be your will???
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Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed.(Leviticus 20:9)
If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die.(Leviticus 20:10).
If a man sleeps with his father's wife... both him and his father's wife is to be put to death.(Leviticus 20:11)
If a man sleeps with his wife and her mother they are all to be burnt to death.(Leviticus 20:14)
If a man or woman has sex with an animal, both human and animal must be killed.(Leviticus 20:15-16).
If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be "cut off from their people" (Leviticus 20:18)
Psychics, wizards, and so on are to be stoned to death.(Leviticus 20:27)
If a priest's daughter is a whore, she is to be burnt at the stake.(Leviticus 21:9)
People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18)
Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community.(Leviticus 24:14-16)
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus didn't author the Book of Leviticus. The content is not attributed to Jesus. Maybe that's what he doesn't follow those commands. Just a thought.
June was stating that "you following HIS commands" - was a reference to "God's commands" not Jesus'

Are you saying you will follow Jesus, but not "God"?

You are confused or delibrately trying to confuse others by twisting your way through the posts of others.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#467851 Aug 1, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Anthony MN"
Glad to know you're interested in obedience, but I'm not talking about you. Your protestant friends say baptism isn't necessary for salvation, it's just an act and gets you wet. My question is more to the protestant audience; if baptism is an act of obedience to Jesus and we don't obey Him regarding baptism, what does that mean in terms of your salvation?
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We believe baptism to be necessary.
KayMarie
Show me where He said one thing about being baptized...

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

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