Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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confrinting with the word wrote:
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i ASK YOU A QUESTION...
WHAT IS YOUR REASON FOR PLACING THE ACCOUNT OF THIS PASTORS SUICIDE..
It wasn't just ONE Pastor committing suicide and trying to commit suicide ... as you imply. It's becoming more common and should be a warning to YOU (preacher man) that your words of pointing at others as evil sinners just might come back and slap you in your arrogant head.

It's not nice to preach that others will spend eternity in hell.

It could make THEM commit suicide as have so many who were homosexual and had their self-esteem stolen from them by ignorant preachers such as you ... you VILE creature!!!

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Jul 29, 2013
 
Cracker wrote:
1. Why is your God better or the highest God of any of the other umpteen Gods worshiped around the world?
Because HE (preacher man) says it is so!

Religion makes vile beasts out of humans who are already totally arrogant without religion infecting brains.
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Jul 29, 2013
 
June VanDerMark wrote:
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It wasn't just ONE Pastor committing suicide and trying to commit suicide ... as you imply. It's becoming more common and should be a warning to YOU (preacher man) that your words of pointing at others as evil sinners just might come back and slap you in your arrogant head.
It's not nice to preach that others will spend eternity in hell.
It could make THEM commit suicide as have so many who were homosexual and had their self-esteem stolen from them by ignorant preachers such as you ... you VILE creature!!!
Who says "It's becoming more common"?

Neither article you cited makes this claim.

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WHY JESUS WEPT
The old black preacher was stooped, with a head full of gray hair.

He was badly in need of a haircut, and his horn rimmed glasses madehim look even older.

At the pulpit he paused; looked out over the

congregation on this fine Sunday morning.

Everyone was dressed in their finest clothes.

Hats galore, ties that shone in the sunlight;

everyone was looking fine.

Everyone sat properly and reverently,

waiting for the old preacher to begin.

He paused for a moment,

then prayed.

Suddenly the frame of the old preacher drew upright

like a young man,

the light in his eyes full of

fire.

His voice rose high and

with great force he proclaimed,

"THE LORD IS AN AWESOME GOD,

can I get a witness?

THE LORD IS A MIGHTY KING,

THE LORD IS A STRONG JUDGE OVER ALL THE EARTH¿

can I get a witness?"

Many waved handkerchiefs and shouted,

"AMEN, Preacher, AMEN!"

Several stood at his shouting and exhortation, and

jumped up and down.

"YYYAAAAAAAA LORD!" they shouted.

The old preacher continued,

"I said the LORD is a mighty KING!

Do you believe it?"

The people responded with an even more fervent shouting,

"AMEN, PREACHER, AMEN!"

"But," said the old preacher in a quiet voice,

"DO YOU KNOW WHY JESUS WEPT?

Can you tell me why?

Does anyone know?"

The people went silent,

not knowing the real answer,

or even the reason for the question.

The old preacher looked out on the crowd and began to
cry.

"Yes," he said again,

"the Lord is a mighty King,

but

last night .....Jesus wept."

"He wept because He saw what you said in your heart in

the darkness of the night on your bed.

HE WAS THERE.

"He wept because he SAW you in the club drinking and shaking it last night.

HE WAS THERE.

"He wept because He saw what you watched on HBO last night.

He was sitting right there beside you.

"He wept because of how you gossiped about your neighbor and destroyed her reputation with others.

HE WAS LISTENING TO YOU EVERY WORD.

"He wept because He was in that bedroom when you were with your neighbor's wife.

HE WAS THERE.

"He wept because He knew you'd dress up for church today and

PUT IT ON at church in front of others.

He wept because your heart has wandered SO far from Him and grown cold.

"Yes, JESUS WEPT. The mighty King who created the universe,

THE ONE

WHO THREW THE STARS INTO THE HEAVENS,

WHO HOLDS ETERNITY IN HIS HAND

wept,

because He loves you so.

"Yes, Jesus wept last night because,

wherever you were,

whatever you were doing,

HE WAS THERE with you. HE SAW IT ALL."

The old preacher

began to WEEP with deep sobbing,

"If you only knew, why Jesus wept."

One by one people in the crowd

began to rise and

walk down the aisle to the front of the church ¿ to the

altar ¿ without a word.

Tears were running down like rivers down dark

cheeks, sobs heard all over the sanctuary.

Ushers were of no use,

as one by one

they fell on their knees and

began to weep.

Soon everyone in the church was in the front,

on their knees crying

and weeping before God¿

That day lives were changed¿

That day lives were made new¿

That day the people understood why Jesus wept!

IS HE WEEPING TODAY.... OVER US ?

SELECTED

2Ch 7:14 If my people,

which are called by my name,

shall humble themselves, and

pray, and

seek my face, and

turn from their wicked ways;

then will I hear from heaven, and

will forgive their sin, and

will heal their land.

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You are such a coward. Such a mindless pitiful coward. Why can't you answer the questions? Are you NOT SAVED? Try to answer if you know any of the answers.
1. Are you saved?
2. How do you know you are saved?
3. How were you saved?
4. Who saved you?
5. Why did He save you?
6. From what did He save you?
7. Where are you going when your life ends?
8. Who said you are going there?
9. When will you arrive at your final destination?
10. Does eating a blessed cracker from a priest guarantee eternal life?
11. Does drinking a blessed bit of wine from a priest guarantee eternal life?
12. Why did Jesus die on a cross?
13. If Mary is co-redeemer why didn't she die on a cross?
14. If Mary was sinless why did she need a Savior?
15. In whom or what have you placed your faith?
16. Is it possible you are wrong?
1. Are you saved?
- I don't know until I die
2. How do you know you are saved?
- No one knows this to be until they die.
3. How were you saved?
- People will make up all kinds of fantasies in which they think they were, but they really don't know if they are.
4. Who saved you?
- People will state that 'this person did', but is there really any proof or evidence to this fact? No, there isn't. People can say whatever they like to comfort themselves.
5. Why did He save you?
- One does not know they are saved, it is just a "feel good" action that they use while they wait for that 'saving' moment.
6. From what did He save you?
- Good question. Especially when the answer requires the Self to respond, in order for it to think it deserves to be saved.
7. Where are you going when your life ends?
- Do you know? Exactly my point - no one does until they die.
8. Who said you are going there?
- People like to think they are going to a special place after death, but really don't have any idea of what that place is truly like. It must be a ruse to get them to like you.

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9. When will you arrive at your final destination?
- From NDE stories, it appears it happens just moments after death.
10. Does eating a blessed cracker from a priest guarantee eternal life?
- No.
11. Does drinking a blessed bit of wine from a priest guarantee eternal life?
- No.
12. Why did Jesus die on a cross?
- Speculation. Why you may ask?, because there were no contemporary writings to such an execution in Roman writings, nor did the individuals present at the supposed death, wrote about it either.
- IMO - it is a metaphorical event that shows how the Spirit cannot day even after death.
13. If Mary is co-redeemer why didn't she die on a cross?
- Because the story wasn't written that way.
- Mary is not a "co-redeemer" - you've miscontrued her role. People may pray to her, but for strength and to release their sorrow. If you think praying is such an important role in anyone's spiritual life, then you shouldn't have any issues with partaking in my "prayer experiment" that I have offered multiple times to the forum. If you are so sure on this prayign thing, then you shouldn't have any recourse to participate in proving it is bogus.
14. If Mary was sinless why did she need a Savior?
- Where does it say Mary is sinless? If you want to prove that this is an incorrect interpretation, you will have to provide where the contradiction occurs, and then provide the proper retort to your objection. Otherwise - you are just popping tops with taking drinks.
15. In whom or what have you placed your faith?
- Does this matter to you? For what reason? What stake do you have in someone else's 'faith'?
- You don't think you have enough of your own?
16. Is it possible you are wrong?
- Of course it is, just like you could be possibly wrong too.
- Don't be so arrogant that you have all the answers either.
Can you answer these all yourself as well - using honesty?
"hojo" is a robot, he won't have those answers, unless they were programmed into him - which they were not.
Because they all require the Self to make take action.
Let's see if you can answer them also.....shall we? Just for you record, I'll even answer them.

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Jul 29, 2013
 
RoSesz wrote:
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http://www.openbible.info/topics/body_soul_an...
Those are of course bible verses..and I think old JG ..Free grace or cowboy coukd answer better than I. But I will tell it from only my personalview
We are bodies..CREATED BY GoD (not evolved from other life forms asthe Catholics want to NOW believe )
We have Souls made in the image of God..we have a Spirit in the form of a God Sized hole(I love this analogy as,it changed my whole outlook)
We try to fill that hole with everything from people to love us. To money ..etc..we can spend our whole life trying to do this ..to no avail as its really an emptiness ONLY GOD CAN FILL.
WHEN we accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour ..and are born again...that hole within our spirit is filleD WITH HIS SPIRIT ..
making us in effect effect a NEW CREATION.
as I said I am no bible scholar..but thats how I see it :)
I
Don't believe that it could be said any better. your answer came from your heart. those answers are hard to beat.Preston
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Jul 29, 2013
 
no i don't drink
no i don't have any club
i just have very very very nice hotg shower
yeppppppppppppppppppp
but i don't see Jesus there
noooooooooooooooo
no any man or any woman
yep
i liked have someone..no nobody with me
noooooooooo

when i died what Jesus will do with me

i never exist

Are you for sure i never exist?

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Jul 29, 2013
 
Cracker wrote:
1. Why is your God better or the highest God of any of the other umpteen Gods worshiped around the world?
2. How can there be more than one God.
2. Why do any of the alleged Gods have to work in secrecy? Are the miracles that occur every day simply a mathematical reality and not because of the intervention of some God? And if he did intervene why keep it in secrecy?
3. Why does God allow the mass numbers of pedophiles in the catholic church?
4. God is good???? read #3 above.
5. Why does God allow mass murders to take place? What possible explanation is there for such suffering other than.."it is Gods way". Really?
What kind of sicko is your God for allowing this?
6. What kind of God would permit any suffering to occur if he could prevent it?
7. What kind of God would put all the different ethnic people and cultures on the planet and them let them fight it out and kill each other for millennia and not intervene?
I was raised a catholic and I am not buying any of it. This myth has continued for centuries on the simple fact that simple humans need to believe in a higher being. Need to believe in something. Need to buy their way into a fictional heaven to stay out of a fictional hell. Well, you have been living in hell already if you or someone you know have been involved in ethnic cleansings, the holocaust, 9-11,
airline crashes, war or any of the other calamities that have happened at the hand of your alleged God.
But you know, he works in mysterious ways and he loves each and every one of you.
We may bring the truth to the surface, but it takes the individual to read and understand the truth once it arrives, in order for it to "set them free".

Welcome to the forum.

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Jul 29, 2013
 
Dan wrote:
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No, he's not breaking new ground.
Review the Catechism and the teaching on homosexual orientation.
Thanks
Your popes that burned homosexuals at the stake must have a different catechism than you.

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Jul 29, 2013
 
confrinting with the word wrote:
WHY JESUS WEPT
The old black preacher was stooped, with a head full of gray hair.
From the book,“Narrative of the life of Frederic Douglass,” an American Slave…..written by himself … comes the following poem from Lynn, Mass, April, 1845.

A Parody

“Come saint and sinner, hear me tell
How pious priests whip Jack and Nell,
And women buy and children sell,
And preach all sinners down to hell
And sing of heavenly union.

“They’ll bleat and baa, dona like goats,
Gorge down black sheep, and strain at motes,
Array their backs in fine black coats,
Then seize their Negroes by their throats,
And choke in heavenly union.

“They’ll church you if you sip a dram,
And damn you if you steal a lamb;
Yet rob old Tony, Doll, and Sam,
Of human rights, and bread and ham;
Kidnapper’s heavenly union.

“They’ll loudly talk of Christ’s reward,
And bind his image with a cord,
And scold, and swing the lash abhorred
And sell their brother in the Lord,
To handcuffed heavenly union.

“They’ll read and sing a sacred song,
And make a prayer both loud and long,
And teach the right and do the wrong,
Hailing the brother, sister throng,
With words of heavenly union.

“We wonder how such saints can sing,
Or praise the Lord upon the wing,
Who roar, and scold, and whip and sting,
And to their slaves and mammon cling,
In guilty conscience union.

“They’ll raise tobacco, corn, and rye,
And drive and thieve, and cheat, and lie,
And lay up treasures in the sky,
By making switch and cowskin fly,
In hope of heavenly union.

“They’ll crack old Tony on the skull,
And preach and roar like Bashan bull,
Or braying ass, or mischief full,
Then seize old Jacob by the wool,
And pull for heavenly union.

“A roaring, ranting, sleek man-thief,
Who lived on mutton, veal, and beef,
Yet never would afford relief,
To needy, sable sons of grief,
Was big with heavenly union.

“’Love not the world,’ the preacher said,
And winked his eye, and shook his head;
He seized on Tom, and Dick, and Ned,
Cut short their meat, and clothes, and bread,
Yet still loved heavenly union.

“Another preacher whining spoke
Of one whose heart for sinners broke:
He tied old Nellie to an oak,
And drew the blood at every stroke,
And prayed for heavenly union.

“Two others oped their iron jaws,
And waved their children-stealing paws;
There sat their children in gewgaws;
By stinting Negroes’ backs and maws,
They keep up heavenly union.

“All good from Jack another takes,
And entertains their flirts and rakes,
Who dress as sleek as glossy snakes,
And cram their mouths with sweetened cakes;
And this goes down for union.”

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Jul 29, 2013
 
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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We may bring the truth to the surface, but it takes the individual to read and understand the truth once it arrives, in order for it to "set them free".
Welcome to the forum.
Exactly what truth has set YOU free?

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Jul 29, 2013
 
Dan wrote:
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Who says "It's becoming more common"?
Neither article you cited makes this claim.
I believe from what I have studies that suicide of preachers is becoming more common.

Plus there are preachers still preaching who admit that they are Atheists but who have no other way of earning a living for their selves and their families ... so against their own consciences they keep preaching what they now believe is nonsense.

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Jul 29, 2013
 
studied

“Greatest Love”

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atemcowboy wrote:
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Don't believe that it could be said any better. your answer came from your heart. those answers are hard to beat.Preston
Thanks cowboy.

Coming from you that is high praise indeed :)

that concept when I first heard it..i thought how on earth
Does that preacher know,all about me

I imagine we would find it a lot out in the world.

Even snd especially in those constantly driven to success in the worlds eyes.. never happy with each plateau..wanting something just out of reach .

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atemcowboy wrote:
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Don't believe that it could be said any better. your answer came from your heart. those answers are hard to beat.Preston
The idea that you deserve heaven and others deserve hell also comes straight from your heart.

You seem to perceive your heart is warm. I perceive it is as cold as ice.

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jethro8 wrote:
22544 pages and still no definitive answers, to the truth of this forum or that a god actually exists.no hard core evidence has been presented that proves anything said here is true, all you people do is spout bible passages, which add up to spit in the wind, there is no proof to be found in these passages, they are stolen works from other books, written decades/centuries before Christianity came about. Where is the proof of the existence of a god? there is none, only empty words written in a book that has no foundation of fact, only hearsay, the true identity of the writers are in question by many scholars. anything and everything that could prove the existence of the one god theory can not be found, you don't see anything drawn on cave walls or in slabs of rock, or in hieroglyphics, you see drawings of half man half animal, a lot, and not just in one area but in areas around the world, artifacts of flying objects dating back 5000 yrs. an more, how is that possible? with little knowledge of technology of building, they created pyramids so perfectly lined and close together you can barely slide a piece of paper through the boulders, which weigh tons, but they managed to get them hundreds of feet off the ground, and fitted perfectly together, and the great sphinx animal and man, why? why did they draw/carve so many of these strange creatures or people? who really knows if they are someone's imagination, or are they done from visual contact? being beaten for centuries into believing in one god has put the fear of looking for the truth into man, today that's ridiculous, why doesn't anyone who has the clout to get an audience before the world court, get a freedom of information act so we can get a look at all the stolen artifacts, drawings, paintings ETC. that is hidden within Vatican city so man can study the truth, it's gods supposed gift to MAN, not a single group of MEN, but all men, the words/teachings on which we are suppose to live our lives in order to please him and secure a place in heaven for us. If we are not allowed to read and discover for ourselves what is written how can we be honestly sure we are doing what god really wants us to do?? would love to have the money to petition the world court and have a order issued that the Vatican must open ALL their files to the world, not just to them, what ever they have hidden is not theirs alone, gods word was meant for all man kind to see,to read, to follow, but how can you when your not allowed to? and again let's not forget the idiots who burned a few hundred books with no divine authority, so people couldn't read them. because of that barbaric act we will never know if a church exists or A god exists, you can't prove a truth when you don't have the whole truth, so any organization that makes the claim of being the true church is full of sheep dip.
Christians know Christianity is based on belief. So, you know where you stand!!!!

Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

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confrinting with the word wrote:
WHY JESUS WEPT
The old black preacher was stooped, with a head full of gray hair.
He was badly in need of a haircut, and his horn rimmed glasses madehim look even older.
At the pulpit he paused; looked out over the
congregation on this fine Sunday morning.
Everyone was dressed in their finest clothes.
Hats galore, ties that shone in the sunlight;
everyone was looking fine.
Everyone sat properly and reverently,
waiting for the old preacher to begin.
He paused for a moment,
then prayed.
Suddenly the frame of the old preacher drew upright
like a young man,
the light in his eyes full of
fire.
His voice rose high and
with great force he proclaimed,
"THE LORD IS AN AWESOME GOD,
can I get a witness?
THE LORD IS A MIGHTY KING,
THE LORD IS A STRONG JUDGE OVER ALL THE EARTH¿
can I get a witness?"
Many waved handkerchiefs and shouted,
"AMEN, Preacher, AMEN!"
Several stood at his shouting and exhortation, and
jumped up and down.
"YYYAAAAAAAA LORD!" they shouted.
The old preacher continued,
"I said the LORD is a mighty KING!
Do you believe it?"
The people responded with an even more fervent shouting,
"AMEN, PREACHER, AMEN!"
"But," said the old preacher in a quiet voice,
"DO YOU KNOW WHY JESUS WEPT?
Can you tell me why?
Does anyone know?"
The people went silent,
not knowing the real answer,
or even the reason for the question.
The old preacher looked out on the crowd and began to
cry.
"Yes," he said again,
"the Lord is a mighty King,
but
last night .....Jesus wept."
"He wept because He saw what you said in your heart in
the darkness of the night on your bed.
HE WAS THERE.
"He wept because he SAW you in the club drinking and shaking it last night.
HE WAS THERE.
"He wept because He saw what you watched on HBO last night.
He was sitting right there beside you.
"He wept because of how you gossiped about your neighbor and destroyed her reputation with others.
HE WAS LISTENING TO YOU EVERY WORD.
"He wept because He was in that bedroom when you were with your neighbor's wife.
HE WAS THERE.
"He wept because He knew you'd dress up for church today and
PUT IT ON at church in front of others.
He wept because your heart has wandered SO far from Him and grown cold.
"Yes, JESUS WEPT. The mighty King who created the universe,
THE ONE
WHO THREW THE STARS INTO THE HEAVENS,
WHO HOLDS ETERNITY IN HIS HAND
wept,
because He loves you so.
"Yes, Jesus wept last night because,
wherever you were,
whatever you were doing,
HE WAS THERE with you. HE SAW IT ALL."
The old preacher
began to WEEP with deep sobbing,
"If you only knew, why Jesus wept."
One by one people in the crowd
began to rise and
walk down the aisle to the front of the church ¿ to the
altar ¿ without a word.
Tears were running down like rivers down dark
cheeks, sobs heard all over the sanctuary.
Ushers were of no use,
as one by one
they fell on their knees and
began to weep.
Soon everyone in the church was in the front,
on their knees crying
and weeping before God¿
That day lives were changed¿
That day lives were made new¿
That day the people understood why Jesus wept!
IS HE WEEPING TODAY.... OVER US ?
SELECTED
2Ch 7:14 If my people,
which are called by my name,
shall humble themselves, and
pray, and
seek my face, and
turn from their wicked ways;
then will I hear from heaven, and
will forgive their sin, and
will heal their land.
WOW that was great .

I imagine we have all made Him weep

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Jul 29, 2013
 
Dan wrote:
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I'm sorry-your point in making note of these suicides is what again?
If you don't get the point, you don't want it.

Those who preach that others deserve hell are causing harm to other humans BY haranguing again and again on that message.

If you want to preach that YOU will go to hell ... I'm all for that ... but that's NOT your message ... IS IT ... oh self-perceived holy one???
Dan

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June VanDerMark wrote:
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Your popes that burned homosexuals at the stake must have a different catechism than you.
Just asking you to research things a bit.

I know you won't, but I can keep asking.

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