Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Read more

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#466905 Jul 29, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
WHY JESUS WEPT
The old black preacher was stooped, with a head full of gray hair.
From the book,“Narrative of the life of Frederic Douglass,” an American Slave…..written by himself … comes the following poem from Lynn, Mass, April, 1845.

A Parody

“Come saint and sinner, hear me tell
How pious priests whip Jack and Nell,
And women buy and children sell,
And preach all sinners down to hell
And sing of heavenly union.

“They’ll bleat and baa, dona like goats,
Gorge down black sheep, and strain at motes,
Array their backs in fine black coats,
Then seize their Negroes by their throats,
And choke in heavenly union.

“They’ll church you if you sip a dram,
And damn you if you steal a lamb;
Yet rob old Tony, Doll, and Sam,
Of human rights, and bread and ham;
Kidnapper’s heavenly union.

“They’ll loudly talk of Christ’s reward,
And bind his image with a cord,
And scold, and swing the lash abhorred
And sell their brother in the Lord,
To handcuffed heavenly union.

“They’ll read and sing a sacred song,
And make a prayer both loud and long,
And teach the right and do the wrong,
Hailing the brother, sister throng,
With words of heavenly union.

“We wonder how such saints can sing,
Or praise the Lord upon the wing,
Who roar, and scold, and whip and sting,
And to their slaves and mammon cling,
In guilty conscience union.

“They’ll raise tobacco, corn, and rye,
And drive and thieve, and cheat, and lie,
And lay up treasures in the sky,
By making switch and cowskin fly,
In hope of heavenly union.

“They’ll crack old Tony on the skull,
And preach and roar like Bashan bull,
Or braying ass, or mischief full,
Then seize old Jacob by the wool,
And pull for heavenly union.

“A roaring, ranting, sleek man-thief,
Who lived on mutton, veal, and beef,
Yet never would afford relief,
To needy, sable sons of grief,
Was big with heavenly union.

“’Love not the world,’ the preacher said,
And winked his eye, and shook his head;
He seized on Tom, and Dick, and Ned,
Cut short their meat, and clothes, and bread,
Yet still loved heavenly union.

“Another preacher whining spoke
Of one whose heart for sinners broke:
He tied old Nellie to an oak,
And drew the blood at every stroke,
And prayed for heavenly union.

“Two others oped their iron jaws,
And waved their children-stealing paws;
There sat their children in gewgaws;
By stinting Negroes’ backs and maws,
They keep up heavenly union.

“All good from Jack another takes,
And entertains their flirts and rakes,
Who dress as sleek as glossy snakes,
And cram their mouths with sweetened cakes;
And this goes down for union.”

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#466906 Jul 29, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
We may bring the truth to the surface, but it takes the individual to read and understand the truth once it arrives, in order for it to "set them free".
Welcome to the forum.
Exactly what truth has set YOU free?

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#466907 Jul 29, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Who says "It's becoming more common"?
Neither article you cited makes this claim.
I believe from what I have studies that suicide of preachers is becoming more common.

Plus there are preachers still preaching who admit that they are Atheists but who have no other way of earning a living for their selves and their families ... so against their own consciences they keep preaching what they now believe is nonsense.

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#466908 Jul 29, 2013
studied

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON to Save us

#466909 Jul 29, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>I
Don't believe that it could be said any better. your answer came from your heart. those answers are hard to beat.Preston
Thanks cowboy.

Coming from you that is high praise indeed :)

that concept when I first heard it..i thought how on earth
Does that preacher know,all about me

I imagine we would find it a lot out in the world.

Even snd especially in those constantly driven to success in the worlds eyes.. never happy with each plateau..wanting something just out of reach .

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#466910 Jul 29, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>I
Don't believe that it could be said any better. your answer came from your heart. those answers are hard to beat.Preston
The idea that you deserve heaven and others deserve hell also comes straight from your heart.

You seem to perceive your heart is warm. I perceive it is as cold as ice.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#466911 Jul 29, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
22544 pages and still no definitive answers, to the truth of this forum or that a god actually exists.no hard core evidence has been presented that proves anything said here is true, all you people do is spout bible passages, which add up to spit in the wind, there is no proof to be found in these passages, they are stolen works from other books, written decades/centuries before Christianity came about. Where is the proof of the existence of a god? there is none, only empty words written in a book that has no foundation of fact, only hearsay, the true identity of the writers are in question by many scholars. anything and everything that could prove the existence of the one god theory can not be found, you don't see anything drawn on cave walls or in slabs of rock, or in hieroglyphics, you see drawings of half man half animal, a lot, and not just in one area but in areas around the world, artifacts of flying objects dating back 5000 yrs. an more, how is that possible? with little knowledge of technology of building, they created pyramids so perfectly lined and close together you can barely slide a piece of paper through the boulders, which weigh tons, but they managed to get them hundreds of feet off the ground, and fitted perfectly together, and the great sphinx animal and man, why? why did they draw/carve so many of these strange creatures or people? who really knows if they are someone's imagination, or are they done from visual contact? being beaten for centuries into believing in one god has put the fear of looking for the truth into man, today that's ridiculous, why doesn't anyone who has the clout to get an audience before the world court, get a freedom of information act so we can get a look at all the stolen artifacts, drawings, paintings ETC. that is hidden within Vatican city so man can study the truth, it's gods supposed gift to MAN, not a single group of MEN, but all men, the words/teachings on which we are suppose to live our lives in order to please him and secure a place in heaven for us. If we are not allowed to read and discover for ourselves what is written how can we be honestly sure we are doing what god really wants us to do?? would love to have the money to petition the world court and have a order issued that the Vatican must open ALL their files to the world, not just to them, what ever they have hidden is not theirs alone, gods word was meant for all man kind to see,to read, to follow, but how can you when your not allowed to? and again let's not forget the idiots who burned a few hundred books with no divine authority, so people couldn't read them. because of that barbaric act we will never know if a church exists or A god exists, you can't prove a truth when you don't have the whole truth, so any organization that makes the claim of being the true church is full of sheep dip.
Christians know Christianity is based on belief. So, you know where you stand!!!!

Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON to Save us

#466912 Jul 29, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
WHY JESUS WEPT
The old black preacher was stooped, with a head full of gray hair.
He was badly in need of a haircut, and his horn rimmed glasses madehim look even older.
At the pulpit he paused; looked out over the
congregation on this fine Sunday morning.
Everyone was dressed in their finest clothes.
Hats galore, ties that shone in the sunlight;
everyone was looking fine.
Everyone sat properly and reverently,
waiting for the old preacher to begin.
He paused for a moment,
then prayed.
Suddenly the frame of the old preacher drew upright
like a young man,
the light in his eyes full of
fire.
His voice rose high and
with great force he proclaimed,
"THE LORD IS AN AWESOME GOD,
can I get a witness?
THE LORD IS A MIGHTY KING,
THE LORD IS A STRONG JUDGE OVER ALL THE EARTH¿
can I get a witness?"
Many waved handkerchiefs and shouted,
"AMEN, Preacher, AMEN!"
Several stood at his shouting and exhortation, and
jumped up and down.
"YYYAAAAAAAA LORD!" they shouted.
The old preacher continued,
"I said the LORD is a mighty KING!
Do you believe it?"
The people responded with an even more fervent shouting,
"AMEN, PREACHER, AMEN!"
"But," said the old preacher in a quiet voice,
"DO YOU KNOW WHY JESUS WEPT?
Can you tell me why?
Does anyone know?"
The people went silent,
not knowing the real answer,
or even the reason for the question.
The old preacher looked out on the crowd and began to
cry.
"Yes," he said again,
"the Lord is a mighty King,
but
last night .....Jesus wept."
"He wept because He saw what you said in your heart in
the darkness of the night on your bed.
HE WAS THERE.
"He wept because he SAW you in the club drinking and shaking it last night.
HE WAS THERE.
"He wept because He saw what you watched on HBO last night.
He was sitting right there beside you.
"He wept because of how you gossiped about your neighbor and destroyed her reputation with others.
HE WAS LISTENING TO YOU EVERY WORD.
"He wept because He was in that bedroom when you were with your neighbor's wife.
HE WAS THERE.
"He wept because He knew you'd dress up for church today and
PUT IT ON at church in front of others.
He wept because your heart has wandered SO far from Him and grown cold.
"Yes, JESUS WEPT. The mighty King who created the universe,
THE ONE
WHO THREW THE STARS INTO THE HEAVENS,
WHO HOLDS ETERNITY IN HIS HAND
wept,
because He loves you so.
"Yes, Jesus wept last night because,
wherever you were,
whatever you were doing,
HE WAS THERE with you. HE SAW IT ALL."
The old preacher
began to WEEP with deep sobbing,
"If you only knew, why Jesus wept."
One by one people in the crowd
began to rise and
walk down the aisle to the front of the church ¿ to the
altar ¿ without a word.
Tears were running down like rivers down dark
cheeks, sobs heard all over the sanctuary.
Ushers were of no use,
as one by one
they fell on their knees and
began to weep.
Soon everyone in the church was in the front,
on their knees crying
and weeping before God¿
That day lives were changed¿
That day lives were made new¿
That day the people understood why Jesus wept!
IS HE WEEPING TODAY.... OVER US ?
SELECTED
2Ch 7:14 If my people,
which are called by my name,
shall humble themselves, and
pray, and
seek my face, and
turn from their wicked ways;
then will I hear from heaven, and
will forgive their sin, and
will heal their land.
WOW that was great .

I imagine we have all made Him weep

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#466913 Jul 29, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sorry-your point in making note of these suicides is what again?
If you don't get the point, you don't want it.

Those who preach that others deserve hell are causing harm to other humans BY haranguing again and again on that message.

If you want to preach that YOU will go to hell ... I'm all for that ... but that's NOT your message ... IS IT ... oh self-perceived holy one???
Dan

Omaha, NE

#466914 Jul 29, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Your popes that burned homosexuals at the stake must have a different catechism than you.
Just asking you to research things a bit.

I know you won't, but I can keep asking.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#466915 Jul 29, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe from what I have studies that suicide of preachers is becoming more common.
Plus there are preachers still preaching who admit that they are Atheists but who have no other way of earning a living for their selves and their families ... so against their own consciences they keep preaching what they now believe is nonsense.
Cite what you've studied on the increase in ministerial suicide so we can all 'believe' it.

What preacher has admitted that he was an atheist yet kept preaching to earn money? Cite such an instance so we can all read about it.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#466916 Jul 29, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
If you don't get the point, you don't want it.
Those who preach that others deserve hell are causing harm to other humans BY haranguing again and again on that message.
If you want to preach that YOU will go to hell ... I'm all for that ... but that's NOT your message ... IS IT ... oh self-perceived holy one???
Just wondering what your point was. Still am.
What does notation of incidences of suicide among preachers or their wives have to do with anything? Are you inferring that their vocation drives them to it?

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#466917 Jul 29, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
What about the women?
Are you now suggesting that Mary didn't leave Judaism of her own accord to become a Catholic saint???
:)
man
n. pl. men (mn)
2. A human regardless of sex or age; a person.

Its called "dictionary".....

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#466918 Jul 29, 2013
Cracker wrote:
1. Why is your God better or the highest God of any of the other umpteen Gods worshiped around the world?
2. How can there be more than one God.
2. Why do any of the alleged Gods have to work in secrecy? Are the miracles that occur every day simply a mathematical reality and not because of the intervention of some God? And if he did intervene why keep it in secrecy?
3. Why does God allow the mass numbers of pedophiles in the catholic church?
4. God is good???? read #3 above.
5. Why does God allow mass murders to take place? What possible explanation is there for such suffering other than.."it is Gods way". Really?
What kind of sicko is your God for allowing this?
6. What kind of God would permit any suffering to occur if he could prevent it?
7. What kind of God would put all the different ethnic people and cultures on the planet and them let them fight it out and kill each other for millennia and not intervene?
I was raised a catholic and I am not buying any of it. This myth has continued for centuries on the simple fact that simple humans need to believe in a higher being. Need to believe in something. Need to buy their way into a fictional heaven to stay out of a fictional hell. Well, you have been living in hell already if you or someone you know have been involved in ethnic cleansings, the holocaust, 9-11,
airline crashes, war or any of the other calamities that have happened at the hand of your alleged God.
But you know, he works in mysterious ways and he loves each and every one of you.
Becuse God is eternal, infinite, perfect, and incomprehensible Being, the Creator of all things, who preserves and governs all by his almighty power and wisdom, and is the only proper object of worship.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#466919 Jul 29, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
The idea that you deserve heaven and others deserve hell also comes straight from your heart.
You seem to perceive your heart is warm. I perceive it is as cold as ice.
I perceive that I don't care what you perceive.
Human Being

Kinder, LA

#466920 Jul 29, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
You did the same when you used the same bible as a Protestant as you do when you are now a Catholic ... and you translate it to mean that YOU are not a heretic and others are and YOU will be saved and others won't ... blah, blah, blah.
It's a handy-man's and now woman's book of ignorance.
June:

I use a variety of translations of the Bible, St. Joseph New American, KJV, Revised Standard, Douay-Rheims, Young's Literal, and NASB.
(I would never use the JW's very corrupted New World.)

Generally, if I want more flavor and deeper meaning, I go to a lexicon of Greek and Hebrew.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#466921 Jul 29, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>I
Don't believe that it could be said any better. your answer came from your heart. those answers are hard to beat.Preston
Atemcowboy...Rozes: Get up to speed!!!!

POPE JOHN PAUL II EMBRACES EVOLUTION!!

Pope John Paul II shocks the Christian world by announcing that "Evolution is Compatible with Christian faith"!! How could this Pope so strongly and directly contradict the Biblical teaching and the Traditions of the Fathers? Is Pope John Paul II a Holy Traditional Pope or is he the Unholy Anti-Pope? See how this pronouncement greatly advances the cause, and the timetable, of the coming New World Order Religion. Must reading for Roman Catholic faithful!!
Human Being

Kinder, LA

#466922 Jul 29, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Good idea, deliberately reading from different ages. But I think we tend to do that anyway. A certain saint will come into the forefront and I'll look them up, check out any writings, book reviews, etc. That often throws a lot of the more contemporary saints into the mix, which can be very helpful. There are so many fantastic contemporary (or nearly so) holy men and women that have lived exactly what we've been praying in the Office. Talk about being humbled!!
I agree, we have gotten narrow. Good word!
(And if I don't stop misspelling "predominantly"....a long with several other words....)
ReginaM

It is a good approach. I find it a bit difficult to trace ancient writers to more contemporary writers, it gets complex, kind of like gumbo, by the time we get to the present....

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON to Save us

#466923 Jul 29, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
If you don't get the point, you don't want it.
Those who preach that others deserve hell are causing harm to other humans BY haranguing again and again on that message.
If you want to preach that YOU will go to hell ... I'm all for that ... but that's NOT your message ... IS IT ... oh self-perceived holy one???
Most Christian messages,are preached in Church or on a Christian channel .

Or here

Anyone not interested will stay home..not watch a Christian channel

Or not be here. Otherwise they Do sedm to hsve SOME interest in tbe state of their souls..imo

No one is harangued as you put it

If they hear a message they dont like they are free to avoid it ..

Most Christians do not go to doors ..and even if they did you csn close the door or not answer in the first place.

NOW WITH POLITICAL ADS before an election ..THAT IS HARANGUING

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON to Save us

#466924 Jul 29, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
Atemcowboy...Rozes: Get up to speed!!!!
POPE JOHN PAUL II EMBRACES EVOLUTION!!
Pope John Paul II shocks the Christian world by announcing that "Evolution is Compatible with Christian faith"!! How could this Pope so strongly and directly contradict the Biblical teaching and the Traditions of the Fathers? Is Pope John Paul II a Holy Traditional Pope or is he the Unholy Anti-Pope? See how this pronouncement greatly advances the cause, and the timetable, of the coming New World Order Religion. Must reading for Roman Catholic faithful!!
I have been saying that they do for two or three days now!!!

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