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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 688650 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#465083 Jul 23, 2013
OldJG wrote:
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Without Eternal Security, JUSTIFICATION WOULD NOT BE JUSTIFICATION.
To "justify" in Bible terms--and particularly in Paul's theology--means to declare righteous. To pronounce righteous. It is a legal matter. It affects the books of heaven. Heaven's record of our lives is changed. When God saves us, He justifies us--He pronounces us righteous. Righteous enough to get into heaven. And how righteous is that? Perfectly righteous.
But now, here is the key. How can wicked, fallen sinners be pronounced righteous? What is the basis of God's righteous verdict? As we've already seen, it's not our own works. Instead it is the righteousness of Christ that has been credited to us. The believer has Christ's righteousness credited to his account (II Corinthians 5:21).
Those who suggest that a saved soul can ever be lost again have moved the ground of justification. They are saying, "Although I was saved on the basis of Christ's righteousness, I'm kept saved on the basis of my own righteousness. But that can never be. When I get to heaven I'll never be able to say, "Thanks, Lord--but as we both know, I'm here partly because of my own goodness and faithfulness." Never! My justification is by grace. That excludes my deserving it in any sense. My heavenly destiny rests forever and only on the righteousness of Christ. Romans 3:24, "Justified freely, by His grace, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus."
Consider carefully: I am justified because of Christ's righteousness. I am saved because of His faithfulness. Until Christ sins, I am justified! The record next to my name shows that I'm as righteous as Christ. For any charge anyone in the universe brings against me, God's answer is always the same: It is God who justifies on the basis of the finished work and perfect righteousness of Christ (Romans 8:33-34). Is that righteous enough? Indeed it is! If I can ever be lost again, then God does not mean what He says, and justification is not justification.
Well, does that mean it's okay to go on sinning? Should we, as Martin Luther once bluntly put it, "Go out and sin boldly"? No, of course not. Sin is a barrier to fellowship with God. Sin robs us of peace and joy in the Spirit. Sin hinders our witness and our fruitfulness. Sin affects our future rewards. Sin dishonours the name of the One we love. But it cannot alter a relationship that is determined by the sinlessness of Someone else. And that's what justification is all about.
Obviously there are two schools of thought on here by 2sets of devout Christians.

Thanks so much for this one

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#465084 Jul 23, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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KayMarie is not a pope, but also believes that as a Protestant-preacher he and his wife are destined for heaven and others are destined for hell.
Religion is NOT good!
It simply teaches people to be arrogant in the belief that a god is partial to their sermons.
~~~

I DON'T PACK YOUR LUNCH ..YOU DO

WHEN IT'S TIME TO EAT,

YOU ONLY HAVE WHAT YOU PUT IN THE BAG..

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#465085 Jul 23, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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YOU WROTE...IN YOUR HATRED....
The arrogance of the RCC will not allow the RCC to unite with the Orthodox Church, because of one reason, the RCC is not willing to remove the office of Pope.
WHY DON'T YOU PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH?
Stop diverting from the post I responded to you with.

And I do stand by my assessment of why the RCC and the Orthodox churches will not be united. It is quite telling and truthful.

Whereas, with you telling someone that they are going to "hell" if they don't do something you think should be done, is bullshite, mean and unfounded.

Ironic, how you don't beleive in Jesus, but will promote some atrocity on another without any proof or viable citation that shows it to be true.

Maybe you should begin to preach through honesty instead of misleading unfounded with threats.

There is quite a big difference between what you and I write.

I write to inform, and you write by the seat of your pants - all the while thinking yourself as better than another.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#465086 Jul 23, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD OR HIS SON JESUS CHRIST, you are not saved at this point in you life there for if you died to day with your soul in the state it is you will not go to heaven.
You must be born again June.
Born again through Spirit.

You failed by thinking you know who will be saved or not.

This will be your downfall - the arrogance you profess when you think you can dictate another person's life.

*sighs*

Time for you to re-evaluate your life to see if you will make it yourself, don't you think?

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#465087 Jul 23, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
So even if you're a complete jerk to everyone who doesn't agree with you; even if you mock the Eucharist; reverse Apostolic teaching; spread slander about another group; mock the Mother of Christ; use sick vulgar language to condemn Homosexuals to Hell; manipulate Holy Scriptures; ignore everything the Apostles taught their Disciples; add to the prophecy of John in the Book of Revelation..... you're still saved??
No wonder you new born agains have success evangelizing! Its a guaranteed path to salvation. Its a chaotic free -for- all!! Sign me up! Not.
You are not credible...You know as much about salvation as you do brain surgery!!!!! Which tells me unless something changes in your spiritual life, you will not be with the sheep for eternity!!!!!
cult observer

Rolling Meadows, IL

#465088 Jul 23, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks so much for that site...glad to meet you .
Your welcome missy,Now dont be a stranger ya hear!!!!!

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#465089 Jul 23, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>

You keep playing their game WITH them, and then chastise them for not following Jesus.
Yes - they don't believe in Jesus, and I am one to make sure they admit to this fact.

I will until they can state - through honesty that they do beleive in Jesus.

If they couldm they would not be a so-called "Christian", because Jesus didn't teach others to be "justified in his death", he taught to be justified in your Spirit.

Men changed and twisted Jesus' teachings to fit their own wild-eyed fantasies, which has caused many generations to not believe in Jesus.
Clay

Garden City, MI

#465090 Jul 23, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Clay " What happens to the group who changed the Word of God?
I hate to rain on your anti Catholic parade... but one group of the born agains on here are guilty of changing the Word of God. One is going to a not-so-good judgement for undoing the teachings of Jesus Christ.
One group does not have the Holy Spirit bringing them to Biblical truth. Who is it? Preston, Confrint, and LTM vs Oldg, Chuck, OSAS, and 4gvn?
Looks like you guys had a night of Bible verse warfare. Everyone is tired, but still convinced the Holy Christ is bringing them to Biblical truth. Wow!
**********
You didn't finish the list:
"Who is it? Preston, Confrint, and LTM vs Oldg, Chuck, OSAS, and 4gvn?"
...AND CLAY.
I'm not on that list. I don't privately interpret Sacred Scripture.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#465091 Jul 23, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>Hey Tony,read what you want into everything you want the fact is MOST ORTHODOX do not want anything to do with the Catholic Church Period,Dream on that's the a big problem with Catholics...fantasy
You've been an Orthodox Christian for only a few years, hardly time enoguh to get a consensus from "MOST ORTHODOX". And Hermi's poll disputes your statement here.

I think the only fantasy, and I say this based on what I here from your patriarchs and bishops, is your insistence that Orthodox hate the Catholic Church. I know you and Hermi do, but I'll keep praying for you and being nice. God bless.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#465092 Jul 23, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>In case you dont get it until its too late for you. Read it again. They want you to ditch your Pope and dogma that differs from them and become Orthodox. Then they will unite. LOL
In other words convert to the Orthodox Church. Join the Orthodox Church.The position of the Orthodox does not get any clearer than that. nd you pulled another Catholic "confuse them with words".They tell you take a hike and you say oh wait a few generations it will happen.This has been the Catholic game. Bend the Truth. Twist it.
Actually your leaders are having discussions with us about the role of the Bishop of Rome. They don't want us to ditch the pope. They are in agreement that the issue of the Filioque is based on a misunderstanding of the language. Many Orthodox believe in the Immaculate Conception and it's not considered heresy to do so. Yeah, don't you just hate it?
Clay

Garden City, MI

#465093 Jul 23, 2013
Osas7 wrote:
Sola Scriptura~
Revelation 1:11
11 saying,“ WRITE IN A [a]BOOK what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”
Luke 1:1-4
Introduction
1 Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile an account of the things [a] accomplished among us, 2 just as they were HANDED DOWN TO US by those who from the beginning [b]were eyewitnesses and [c] servants of the [d]word, 3 it seemed fitting for me AS WELL, having [e]investigated everything carefully from the beginning, to WRITE IT OUT for you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus; 4 SO THAT YOU MAY KNOW THE EXACT TRUTH about the things you have BEEN [f] TAUGHT.(See 2 Thessalonians 2:15)
Romans 15:4
4 For whatever was WRITTEN in earlier times was written for our instruction, so that through perseverance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
Jeremiah 36:2
2 “Take a [a] scroll and WRITE ON IT all the words which I have spoken to you concerning Israel and CONCERNING Judah, and CONCERNING all the nations, from the day I FIRST SPOKE to you, from the days of Josiah, EVEN TO THIS DAY.
Isaiah 30:8
8 Now go, WRITE it on a tablet before them
And INSCRIBE it on a scroll,
That it may [a]SERVE IN THE TIME TO COME
[b]AS A WITNESS FOREVER.
Sola Scripture means 'scripture alone'.
Those verses you provided say nothing about scripture being the only thing. In fact, nowhere does Jesus Christ command the Apostles to compile a Bible to be the authority on His Ministry, let alone the ONLY thing.

I stated earlier, that if someone changes the Word of God, are they still saved? I believe you added your personal take on those verses above. Now they mean something different than what the authors meant. That's changing the Word of God.
Clay

Garden City, MI

#465094 Jul 23, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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My wife and I have given over 13000 post on this forum that is at least 95% Bible...
between the two of us we have over 100 years of Bible study...
If you do not believe God's word you a an infidel...
if you ignore it and write your own you are bound for hell.
But I do believe Gods word. I believe it and will die defending it.
I completely disagree with your opinion on Gods word. But that's ok, so do the previous 1900 yrs of Christianity.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#465095 Jul 23, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't divert from the huge dilemma. You guys are not brought to Biblical truth and its proven.
Try reading the Bible and understandings it like the first Christians- who had the luxury of hearing the Word of God from the mouths of the Apostles.
Unfortunately, you'll discover that they sound really Catholic. That truth causes you to submit to ignorance so you can carry on, pretending to be an authority on sacred scripture.
Why are you not answering me?????

You said: Scripture is made useless when people install their own ideas on what the Apostles wrote about.
The Apostles did not teach sola fide, Martin Luther did. Therefore those verses that OldJg quoted may as well have not been written if folks are going to interpret the exact opposite teaching from it.
That's why I'm Catholic, Rose. We go with the Word of God, orally communicated to the people, and sometimes documented by the Disciples of the Apostles.

Mah reply:
You are a typical Catholic bag of wind...that is why you are not answering me.....

Tell us the word of God that was given orally.

Tell us who He give it to...give us the names of all who were/are involved in making this known to you....from the first person God gave it to....down to yourself...

“Free gift means FREE”

Since: Jan 09

Chicagoland

#465096 Jul 23, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Sola Scripture means 'scripture alone'.
Those verses you provided say nothing about scripture being the only thing. In fact, nowhere does Jesus Christ command the Apostles to compile a Bible to be the authority on His Ministry, let alone the ONLY thing.
I stated earlier, that if someone changes the Word of God, are they still saved? I believe you added your personal take on those verses above. Now they mean something different than what the authors meant. That's changing the Word of God.
Luke 1:1-4
Introduction
1 Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile an account of the things [a] accomplished among us, 2 just as they were HANDED DOWN TO US by those who from the beginning [b]were eyewitnesses and [c] servants of the [d]word, 3 it seemed fitting for me AS WELL, having [e]investigated everything carefully from the beginning, to WRITE IT OUT for you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus; 4 SO THAT YOU MAY KNOW THE EXACT TRUTH about the things you have BEEN [f] TAUGHT.(See 2 Thessalonians 2:15)
Luke explained why it had to be written.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#465097 Jul 23, 2013
who="RoSesz"
Sorry to go back to yesterday ...Heb 10:26
Seems to say keep sinning ..But also seems to say yy oh can t go back if you do..like saved folks who leave fir years and then repent ??
I asked yesterday about Heb 6
**********

Don't allow doubt to torment you. Sometimes young people...even older ones...encounter busyness, or wounded feelings, etc. that causes them to withdraw for a time. Then something happens that makes them realize that they NEED the Lord, and they come back to Him.

The biggest danger that I see, is in those who turn against the Lord, and mock the faith. God is merciful, and will not give up on us willingly...He is a God of second chances. But Jesus said, "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God," so we need to respect Him in the way we live and think.

Keep on believing...

KayMarie

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#465098 Jul 23, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Sola Scripture means 'scripture alone'.
Those verses you provided say nothing about scripture being the only thing. In fact, nowhere does Jesus Christ command the Apostles to compile a Bible to be the authority on His Ministry, let alone the ONLY thing.
I stated earlier, that if someone changes the Word of God, are they still saved? I believe you added your personal take on those verses above. Now they mean something different than what the authors meant. That's changing the Word of God.
The primary Catholic argument against sola scriptura is that the Bible does not explicitly teach sola scriptura. Catholics argue that the Bible nowhere states that it is the only authoritative guide for faith and practice.

While this is true, they fail to recognize a crucially important issue. We know that the Bible is the Word of God. The Bible declares itself to be God-breathed, inerrant, and authoritative. We also know that God does not change His mind or contradict Himself.

So, while the Bible itself may not explicitly argue for sola scriptura, it most definitely does not allow for traditions that contradict its message. Sola scriptura is not as much of an argument against tradition as it is an argument against unbiblical, extra-biblical and/or anti-biblical doctrines.

The only way to know for sure what God expects of us is to stay true to what we know He has revealed—the Bible. We can know, beyond the shadow of any doubt, that Scripture is true, authoritative, and reliable. The same cannot be said of tradition.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#465099 Jul 23, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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Marge
A PERSON THAT sinned willfully ...it means THEY BECOME
what the Bible says...ABOUT THEM...
READ IT FOR YOURSELF
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
READ THE TRUTH ABOUT ETERNAL SECURITY...
WHAT DOES IMPOSSIBLE MEAN...
Heb 6:4 For it is --impossible<-- for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Heb 6:7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
Heb 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
IMPOSSIBLE DEFINED IN GREEK
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&#945;&#787;&#948; &#965;&#769;&#957; &#945;&#964;&#959; &#962;
adunatos
ad-oo'-nat-os
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1415; unable, that is, weak (literally or figuratively); passively impossible:- could not do, impossible, impotent, not possible, weak.
AND AGAIN
Col 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
-->THE WRATH OF GOD COMES UPON THOSE THAT ARE DISOBEDIENT....
Col 3:6 --> For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
Col 3:7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
Col 3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
Col 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
Col 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
~~~
great post. Now can you show me the Bible verses that give you a get out of jail free card for they way you treat people like me (gays and lesbians) when it comes to Luke 10:25-37 (The parable of the good Samaritan) and Matt. 25-31-46 (The goats and the sheep)?

Folks like you have been thumping Bibles on my head for 50 years. So for spiritual and emotional defense I learned your rules and how to use them with you.

"Going to church doesn't make you any more a christian than going to a garage makes you a car. Your beliefs don't make you a better person, your behavior does.

Your words mean nothing if your actions are the complete opposite. Having true faith in whatever you believe must be shown through actions; belief is only half the battle.

Let your dreams be bigger than your fears, your actions louder than your words, and your faith stronger than your feelings."
-seen on Facebook

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#465100 Jul 23, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
TROUBLE!.... From whom....you?
YOU ARE THE ONE THAT TRAVERSES.. PATHS... THAT ANGELS FEAR TO TREAD...
~~~~
Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Jud 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and
of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Jud 1:16 These are murmurers,
complainers,
walking after their own lusts; and
their mouth speaketh great swelling words,
having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
Jud 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Jud 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
Jud 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
great post. Now can you show me the Bible verses that give you a get out of jail free card for they way you treat people like me (gays and lesbians) when it comes to Luke 10:25-37 (The parable of the good Samaritan) and Matt. 25-31-46 (The goats and the sheep)?

Folks like you have been thumping Bibles on my head for 50 years. So for spiritual and emotional defense I learned your rules and how to use them with you.

"Going to church doesn't make you any more a christian than going to a garage makes you a car. Your beliefs don't make you a better person, your behavior does.

Your words mean nothing if your actions are the complete opposite. Having true faith in whatever you believe must be shown through actions; belief is only half the battle.

Let your dreams be bigger than your fears, your actions louder than your words, and your faith stronger than your feelings."
-seen on Facebook

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#465101 Jul 23, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
I DON'T PACK YOUR LUNCH ..YOU DO
WHEN IT'S TIME TO EAT,
YOU ONLY HAVE WHAT YOU PUT IN THE BAG..
great post. Now can you show me the Bible verses that give you the GET OUT OF JAIL FREE card for they way you treat people like me (gays and lesbians) when it comes to Luke 10:25-37 (The parable of the good Samaritan) and Matt. 25-31-46 (The goats and the sheep)?

Folks like you have been thumping Bibles on my head for 50 years. So for spiritual and emotional defense I learned your rules and how to use them with you.

"Going to church doesn't make you any more a christian than going to a garage makes you a car. Your beliefs don't make you a better person, your behavior does.

Your words mean nothing if your actions are the complete opposite. Having true faith in whatever you believe must be shown through actions; belief is only half the battle.

Let your dreams be bigger than your fears, your actions louder than your words, and your faith stronger than your feelings."
-seen on Facebook

So now you want clerks in CA to defy authorities but not the AG of PA?
103 Bible verses about Obeying Authority
http://www.openbible.info/topics/obeying_auth...

While you squirm to find a passage that will cover your butt with God, how about you also explain why the New Republic just revoked my membership for posting that link in a commentary?

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#465102 Jul 23, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Stop diverting from the post I responded to you with.
And I do stand by my assessment of why the RCC and the Orthodox churches will not be united. It is quite telling and truthful.
Whereas, with you telling someone that they are going to "hell" if they don't do something you think should be done, is bullshite, mean and unfounded.
Ironic, how you don't beleive in Jesus, but will promote some atrocity on another without any proof or viable citation that shows it to be true.
Maybe you should begin to preach through honesty instead of misleading unfounded with threats.
There is quite a big difference between what you and I write.
I write to inform, and you write by the seat of your pants - all the while thinking yourself as better than another.
~~~

YOU WROTE
"here is quite a big difference between what you and I write.

I write to inform, and you write by the seat of your pants..."



THE DIFFERENCE IS

YOU WRITE TO INFORM...

I WRITE TO REFORM...

WHAT YOU WRITE COMES FROM THE EARTH..

WHAT I WRITE COMES FROM GOD'S WORD.

YOU CALL IT "is bullshite, mean and unfounded."

AND MAKE DEROGATORY REMARKS ABOUT GOD'S WORD

IN YOUR DARKENED MIND...YOU HAVEN'T THE SLIGHTEST IDEA,WHAT I AM POSTING ABOUT

YOU ARE DEAD TO IT....AND YOU WONT RESPOND FAVORABLY UNLESS GOD GIVES YOU A DIVINE REVELATION IN YOUR OWN HEART....OF YOUR SPIRITUAL. CONDITION..

THE BIBLE SAYS

Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

I STRIVE TO PRESENT GOD'S WORD ...SO THAT... FAITH CAN BE GERMINATED IN THE HEARTS OF THOSE THAT READ IT..

___

YOU IN YOU UNBELIEF WAR AGAINST IT...BECAUSE

Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

~~~

IN YOUR DARKNESS OF MIND AND DEADNESS TO GOD'S WORD..YOU HATE THE LIGHT

OF IT BECAUSE IT REVEALS THE PERSON YOU REALLY ARE.

HIS WORD SAYS

Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and

men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

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