Roman Catholic church only true churc...

Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 693148 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Tiger Lily

Auckland, New Zealand

#464783 Jul 22, 2013
http://memeburn.com/2013/07/vatican-offers-le...

In its latest attempt to connect with believers via social media, the Vatican has said people who follow messages about an upcoming event shared by the Pope on Twitter can receive ‘indulgences’, which will reduce the amount of time Catholics believe they will have to spend in purgatory.

The Vatican has been careful to stress that it’s not offering absolution from sins on Twitter — just bringing the long-standing practice of indulgences to social media.

Twitter followers would still have to confess and be absolved of their sins the old-fashioned way.

According to The Guardian, indulgences will be given to those which attend Catholic World Youth Day in Brazil next week, as well as those who can’t physically attend but follow the event live on TV, radio and Twitter.

Archbishop Claudio Maria Celli, head of the pontifical council for social communication, told Italian publication Corriere della Sera that Catholics shouldn’t expect to use Twitter as a quick fix.

“Get it out of your heads straight away that this is in any way mechanical, that you just need to click on the internet in a few days’ time to get a plenary indulgence,” he is quoted as saying.“You can’t obtain indulgences like getting a coffee from a vending machine.”

Specifically, the decree that confirms attendees of the event in Rio de Janeiro will receive indulgences states that “the faithful who are legitimately impeded [from attending the event] can obtain the plenary indulgence if … they follow these same rites and pious exercises as they take place via television or radio, or, always with appropriate devotion, by the new means of social communication.”

So, casually retweeting updates from Brazil with no thought about what you’re doing won’t count — Celli says believers will have to be spiritually invested in the proceedings to receive the indulgence:...

You've got to be a sick person to believe this is structured in God's plan for salvation.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#464784 Jul 22, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/ blog/2005/03/patriach-bartholo mew-on-the-immaculate-concepti on/
Interesting article

Where does the orthodox church stand on where born or preborn babies go
If not baptized...

Do they go t o a LIMBO without Jesus or does He take them as His own

Since: Dec 11

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#464785 Jul 22, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Bishop Ware isn't a dissident. Hans Kung is. And a discredited one.
Your old ploy- the Pope don't accept him so he doesn't exist..
Hans Kung is brilliant. He was an advisor on Vatican 2 but after went from advisor to not existing because he spoke negatively about the church.So I guess he doent count.

Since: Dec 11

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#464786 Jul 22, 2013
Catholic Connection of the Immaculate Conception and Limbo

In order to understand the position of the Orthodox Church on this teaching we must begin with understanding the Orthodox concept of original sin, as opposed to that which prevails in the Western Catholic Church.

The Western Catholic Church's teaching of original sin, is based in part on the writings of Saint Augustine, which states that each human being at the moment of conception shares in the guilt of Adam's sin of disobedience.

This was based on Saint Augustine's slightly flawed Latin translation of Romans 5:12. Augustine did not read Greek with any great proficiency. Augustine read it as saying "so death spread to all men in whom (Adam) all men sinned", rather than "so death spread to all men because all men sinned", which is how the original Greek reads.

It is this teaching that led Western Catholic thinkers to create a place called "Limbo" (from the Latin word limbus, "border" or "hem"), meaning on the border of heaven.

They said this is where the souls of unbaptised infants could find refuge, since though not guilty of any personal sin, they still had the guilt of original sin on their souls, and so could not enter heaven proper.

In the medieval Western Catholic Church, original sin was believed to be transmitted in a physical sense through conception. It thus became important to many that Mary be preserved from this taint.

Hence the creation in the ninth century of the doctrine of the immaculate conception
Clay

Garden City, MI

#464787 Jul 22, 2013
chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Well...I guess when you leave earth and come face to face with God, He'll say why didn't you leave the the religious system catholic church you were in? I sent you a born again ex hippie drug addict to warn you.
Great story Clay. Gave me chills.....
Lol. ok. Well, now that I'm older I can see that the guy down the street was surely teaching a new and strange Christianity- as are you.
Ironically, I think his name was Charlie (Chuck). Like you, he figured the Bible fell out of the sky and the Apostles forgot to explain what they were writing. God was waiting until the Evangelical movement to come along and interpret their writings.(it must have been that acid he did at Woodstock)

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#464788 Jul 22, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not posting anything to you. I'm rather posting from respected Orthodox clergy and theologians showing the remarkable similarity between the two in order to reinforce the idea with the protestants on the thread that almost everything they hate about the Catholic Church is also found in Orthodoxy.
Also to highlight the difference from someone who will defend the faith against scurrilous false witness vs. those lukewarm folks who are more interested in exchanging Internet high-fives and cooking recipes.
Sounds to me that the true "Church" is divided amongst many groups.

Why would anyone claim to be above another?

Oh yeah - that was a "God" inspired text from me.

:o)

Self

Since: Jan 08

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#464789 Jul 22, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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The masoretic text was copied a thousand years later than the Septuagint. The Septuagint agrees with the Dead Sea scrolls whenever the masoretic text disagrees with the Septuagint. Why would you prefer an OT that was copied by Jews 700-900 years after Christ and who were anti-Christian?
this is something we went over with JOHN several years ago. the Septuagint was Corrupted and the romans had to ask the jews to make more CORRECT copies.

the Septuagint even today doesn't agree with the Masoretic text. examine it for your self.http://www.ecmarsh.com/lx x-kjv/genesis/gen_001.htm

and I already showed that the Masoretic and the KJV are almost identical. and the link that I provided stated that the Scrolls were aligned with the Masoretic since Jews wrote both. that is just plain common sense, anthony

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#464790 Jul 22, 2013
LTM wrote:
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Thank you RoSesz, I didn't know that!! that is a good point.
LTM< I left out that part of her testimony. it said Mobile(something or other). she was using her smart phone to post on Facebook

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#464791 Jul 22, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not posting anything to you. I'm rather posting from respected Orthodox clergy and theologians showing the remarkable similarity between the two in order to reinforce the idea with the protestants on the thread that almost everything they hate about the Catholic Church is also found in Orthodoxy.
Also to highlight the difference from someone who will defend the faith against scurrilous false witness vs. those lukewarm folks who are more interested in exchanging Internet high-fives and cooking recipes.
An after-thought - inspired by "JohnfmNJ" during his dispute with the "Buckster"....

--paraphrased of course, but the conversation could be found if someone wants to dig a couple of years back...--

"JohnfmNJ" to the forum posters:
"How is it that the HS is guiding "Buckster", as well as I?"

I wonder if "John" found out??

"Buckster" - are you still out there in Topix-land? How is the "guidance" coming along?

I would think that "Anthony" and "Herme" wouldn't mind your input here.

:o)

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#464792 Jul 22, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting article
Where does the orthodox church stand on where born or preborn babies go
If not baptized...
Do they go t o a LIMBO without Jesus or does He take them as His own
The concept of Limbo is outside Orthodox theology.
Orthodox do not believe in original "guilt" By Original Sin I mean being guilty of Adam's action-of Adam's sin. Orthodox believe that babies are born with an inborn predisposition to sin, there seems no more need for Limbo than there is a need for the belief in the Blessed Virgin's Mary's Immaculate Conception to produce a perfect Christ.

We inherit not Adam's guilt for his sin but a Adam's predisposition to sin. We do not carry the guilt of Adam's sin but Adam's predisposition to sin.

St. Gregory of Nyssa wrote in his treatise, "On Infants' Early Deaths" that since "the innocent babe has no such plague before its soul's eyes obscuring its measure of light, and so it continues to exist in that natural life; it does not need the soundness which comes from purgation, because it never admitted the plague into its soul at all."

Hope this is helpful

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#464793 Jul 22, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
Tit for Tat as long as you post your misleading quotes re Orthodoxy:
Anthony
Matthew Fox (born 1940) is an American priest and theologian.[1] Formerly a member of the Dominican Order within the Roman Catholic Church, he is now a member of the Episcopal Church.
In 1983, Catholic Church leadership began officially reviewing Fox’s teachings and theological divergences. Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger – then Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, a Vatican administrative body charged with teaching and defending church doctrine – ordered a panel of Dominican priests and theologians to perform a two-year review of Fox’s writings.
When the initial findings found in Fox’s favor, Cardinal Ratzinger, later to become Pope Benedict XVI, rejected them and ordered a second review which was never undertaken. SOME SCHOLARS SAY THESE TRADITIONS ARE CLOSE TO THOSE THAT WERE FIRST LAID OUT BY JESUS.
AMONG FOX’S MOST CONTROVERSIAL TEACHINGS WAS A BELIEF IN "ORIGINAL BLESSING", WHICH BECAME THE TITLE OF ONE OF HIS MOST POPULAR BOOKS. THE CONCEPT WAS IN DIRECT CONTRAVENTION OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC DOCTRINE THAT PEOPLE ARE BORN INTO "ORIGINAL SIN".
In 1988, Fox wrote a public letter to Cardinal Ratzinger entitled "IS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TODAY A DYSFUNCTIONAL FAMILY?", which was subsequently widely disseminated by the National Catholic
Reporter. Soon after, Cardinal Ratzinger issued an order forbidding Fox to teach or lecture for a year.
In 1993, Fox’s conflicts with Catholic authorities climaxed with his expulsion from the Dominican order for "disobedience", effectively ending his professional relationship with the church and his teaching at its universities.
Cardinal Ratzinger ordered the expulsion after Fox refused to respond to a summons to discuss his writings with his superiors in the Roman Catholic Church.
Men dictating other men on how to believe - "or else".

Self.

Jesus would be soooo proud.

Since: Jun 10

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#464794 Jul 22, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I was making fun of you guys. I actually regret it. I never 'danced around while the Christian rock band was jammin'. That's what I see you guys do.
I really don't like to mock peoples worship practices. I'm trying to work on not doing that.
That changes not the truth...

You know as much about salvation as you do brain surgery!!!!!

Which tells me unless something changes in your spiritual life, you will not be with the sheep for eternity!!!!!

Since: Dec 11

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#464795 Jul 22, 2013
I am doing this for Anrhony.He wants you to know the Orthodox Church believes the following so that you can hate on us, realizing we are the same as Catholics. Here is the list. Start TURNING ON US AND hating me alone.US.Then maybe Anthony will leave

hmmmmmm let me think

icons
saints
the Eucharist
priests
Theotokos ( Virgin ary) though not as extreme and stay away from the subject of appearance at Medjugory etc
ask the saints to pray for us

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#464796 Jul 22, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting article
Where does the orthodox church stand on where born or preborn babies go
If not baptized...
Do they go t o a LIMBO without Jesus or does He take them as His own
Spirit is already part of the Father. If you have to think that babies and still born babies go somewhere else, I feel sorry for you.

In fact, I pity you to think such awful thoughts.

I guess you don't believe much in the Spirit, huh?

*sighs*

BTW - Self - no religion is required to believe the way you do.

Why would you believe that babies go anywhere but heaven?

*points to the Topix police*
Hey, over here - this one has lost faith in the Father!! Heretic ALERT!!

:o)

Since: Dec 11

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#464797 Jul 22, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Men dictating other men on how to believe - "or else".
Self.
Jesus would be soooo proud.
This is the dictatorial monarchy.No wonder Catholics here just basically recite the Catechism.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#464798 Jul 22, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>Your old ploy- the Pope don't accept him so he doesn't exist..
Hans Kung is brilliant. He was an advisor on Vatican 2 but after went from advisor to not existing because he spoke negatively about the church.So I guess he doent count.
Hey now....Woah Nelly!! Hold the horses!!

Do you rebuke "Anthony and Clay's" belief that the Pope is infallible?

Shame on you!!

:o)

Since: Jan 08

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#464799 Jul 22, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
.
How do you know the KJV is the one Christ wills?
snipped because I only wish to address this question of yours. even tho I have spoken of this many times, maybe you never read it.

not long after I got Saved, Cathies dad was in the hospital and the Lord woke me up and told me to call her at the Hospital. and when I did, she told me that her dad was in bad shape. when I started to walk out of home, the Lord spoke to me and told me to take my Bible(KJV,of course) and when I walked into the ICU, her dad was having a difficult time. I knelt down and began to pray, and God told me to put one hand on my Bible and the other on him. and then Power like electricity flowed thru me into him. and when I finished Praying, I said these words, "Lord I commend his soul into your hands".

Immediately he began to breath better. and one woman then called me over and told me how he had kept them awake all night. and asked me to pray for her.

thru this Spiritual Experience, I found out the answer that you are seeking. I wouldn't use any other version but that good old KJV that has helped millions get Saved.

Since: Dec 11

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#464800 Jul 22, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey now....Woah Nelly!! Hold the horses!!
Do you rebuke "Anthony and Clay's" belief that the Pope is infallible?
Shame on you!!
:o)
I don.t know how to rebuke. I am rebuke-challenged. Does this mean I get a handicap parking space?

Since: Jan 08

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#464801 Jul 22, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>=======
You want to play tit for tat:
The dissident theologian Father Hans Kung has criticized Pope Benedict XVI as isolated and unable to take creative steps to deal with a series of internal church questions, including priestly celibacy and birth control.
Father Kung said the pope's recent lifting of the excommunications of four traditionalist bishops illustrated the pontiff's desire for a smaller and purer church, and his inability to make necessary reforms.
"The church risks becoming a sect. Many Catholics no longer expect anything from this pope. It's very sad," Father Kung said in an interview published by the French newspaper Le Monde Feb. 24.
His remarks drew a sharp comment from the dean of the College of Cardinals, Italian Cardinal Angelo Sodano, who told Vatican Radio he felt "wounded" when he read the interview.
"Fraternal criticism has always been possible in the church, from the times of Sts. Peter and Paul. Bitter criticism, on the other hand, especially when it's so broad, does not contribute to the unity of the church, for which Pope Benedict is working so hard," Cardinal Sodano said.
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Father Kung, who has taught in Germany for decades, has frequently challenged official church positions on papal infallibility, birth control, priestly celibacy and the all-male priesthood. In 1979 the Vatican withdrew permission for him to teach as a Catholic theologian, although it did not restrict his ministry as a Catholic priest.
Father Kung has known Pope Benedict for some 50 years, and the two met in 2005 for what the Vatican described as a "friendly" encounter.
In the interview with Le Monde, Father Kung noted that one of the four traditionalist bishops whose excommunication was lifted by the pope has minimized the Holocaust, provoking widespread criticism. The pope's misjudgment on such an important issue, Father Kung said, reflected his own isolation.
"Benedict XVI has always lived in an ecclesial environment. He has not traveled much. He's always remained closed in the Vatican -- which is quite similar to how the Kremlin was at one time -- where he is safe from criticism," Father Kung said.
In any case, he said, the lifting of the excommunications was not a mistake in communications or tactics, but an error in church governance. He said it was "scandalous" that on the 50th anniversary of the convening of the Second Vatican Council Pope Benedict moved to reintegrate people who were opposed to the council's teachings.
Father Kung said that in his nearly four years in office the pope has shown a lack of pastoral courage and a lack of awareness of the "profound crisis" in the church. He suggested that the pope could make several important gestures:
-- Allow divorced and remarried Catholics to receive Communion in some circumstances.
-- Take steps to "correct" the 1968 encyclical "Humanae Vitae" and allow use of birth control in some cases.
-- Abolish the rule of priestly celibacy in the Latin-rite church.
-- Institute a new way of electing bishops with the involvement of local Catholics.
Father Kung said it would be helpful to call a third Vatican council to deal with these and other issues.
he didn't play your friend for very long. as I suspected.

but hey don't worry, there are plenty of us Protestants that care for you and your wife.

we can agree to disagree but that doesn't mean that we must cruel about it

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#464802 Jul 22, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>this is something we went over with JOHN several years ago. the Septuagint was Corrupted and the romans had to ask the jews to make more CORRECT copies.
the Septuagint even today doesn't agree with the Masoretic text. examine it for your self.http://www.ecmarsh.com/lx x-kjv/genesis/gen_001.htm
and I already showed that the Masoretic and the KJV are almost identical. and the link that I provided stated that the Scrolls were aligned with the Masoretic since Jews wrote both. that is just plain common sense, anthony
"examine it for your self."
- Hey - wait a minute. You are not allowed to promote this task, because it shows you made a decision for another.

Unnnnlllleeesssss......Self is important to this whole world we live in.

Thanks for promoting the Self and how it brings us to do the things we do.

Cheers!

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