Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Clay wrote:
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"Get your facts straight Clay... you won't find sexual abuse plastered on the news on tv from the Orthodox church plus a cover up to boot as yes see from your church"
Ok, my interpretation of your above statement says that you believe its a Catholic thing; its a Catholic issue; the problem is within the Catholic Church and not the Orthodox Church because we are on tv more.
Since there are no facts to support the problem being a Catholic issue more so than an Orthodox issue, I felt you were purposely letting a little slander in to go along with your other rants about the CC.
BishopAccountability.org , an "online archive established by lay Catholics," reports that over 3,000 "civil lawsuits have been filed against the church" in the United States, some of these cases have resulted in multi-million dollar settlements with many claimants.

The Roman Catholic Diocese of Dallas paid $30.9 million in 1998 to twelve victims of one priest ($43.5 million in present-day terms). In July 2003 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Louisville paid $25.7 million to "settle child sexual-abuse allegations made in 240 lawsuits naming 34 priests and other church workers." In 2003, the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Boston settled a large case for $85 million with 552 alleged victims.

In 2004, the Roman Catholic Diocese of Orange settled nearly 90 cases for $100 million. In April 2007 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Portland in Oregon agreed to a $75 million settlement with 177 claimants and the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Seattle agreed to a $48 million settlement with more than 160 victims. In July 2007 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles reached a $660 million agreement with more than 500 alleged victims, in December 2006, the archdiocese had a settlement of 45 lawsuits for $60 million. In September 2007, the Roman Catholic Diocese of San Diego reached a $198.1 million "agreement with 144 childhood sexual abuse victims."

In July 2008 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Denver agreed "to pay $5.5 million to settle 18 claims of childhood sexual abuse." The Associated Press estimated the total from settlements of sex abuse cases from 19502007 to be more than $2 billion. BishopAccountability reports that figure reached more than $3 billion in 2012.[13][23] Addressing "a flood of abuse claims" five dioceses (Tucson, Arizona; Spokane, Washington; Portland, Oregon.; Davenport, Iowa, and San Diego) got bankruptcy protection. Eight Catholic dioceses have declared bankruptcy due to sex abuse cases from 20042011.The church has revealed that there have been 13,000 credible accusations against Catholic clerics since 1950.

As it became clear that there was truth to many of the allegations and that there was a pattern of cover-ups in a number of large dioceses across the United States, the issue exploded into a nationwide scandal, creating a crisis for the Catholic Church in the United States. Allegations in the United States also encouraged victims in other nations to come forward, rapidly creating a global crisis for the Church. Over many decades, priests and lay members of religious orders in the Roman Catholic Church had sexually abused children on a scale such that the accusations reached into the thousands. A major aggravating factor was the actions of Catholic bishops to keep these crimes secret and to reassign the accused to other parishes in positions where they had continued unsupervised contact with youth.

Lets see your info so we can, as you say, compare the data....

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New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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I understand. You don't mind people profitting off of Jesus and "God".
You rightfully deserve to be part of Christianity.
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I said I understand. But you still didn't answer the question. All you did was give reasons of such acts.
I'll ask once more....
You don't mind people profitting off of Jesus and "God", right?
A simple "yes" or "no" will be sufficient, as I already know the many reasons why people produce such icons and relics - as they do it for the money.
It costs money to publish and print bibles..many Don a 're some to the poor ..overseas..or people buy them to offset the cost of printing and publishing. The book..And sine who but them make them available fir free in Churches or in missions ...

The bible is all over..someone has to pay fir the actual book ...YES.

SO F A R we still live in a buy and sell world ..though it seems fir some reason you think everything should be free.

If no one paid for them...there would be no mire publishing and printing..why don't you get that

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Human Being wrote:
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Preston:
Lol....I love it.
Jesus said, " I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life."
True...but Atemcowboy, the man called of God, has a better way!!!!!

Quote: my beliefs are that of a definite SECOND WORK of GRACE, and which is that of the Holiness Movement, which follows a very close Walk with the Lord.
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Oxbow wrote:
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"I am neither catholic nor do I belong to the SBC. my beliefs are that of a definite SECOND WORK of GRACE, and which is that of the Holiness Movement, which follows a very close Walk with the Lord."
I did not ask if you are a Catholic. I did not ask if you belong to SBC.
Horse apples...."According to some Christian traditions, a second work of grace is a transforming interaction with God which may occur in the life of a Christian. The defining characteristics of this event are that it is separate from and subsequent to salvation (the first work of grace), and that it brings about significant changes in the life of the believer."
Pure nonsense: In the Holiness movement, the second work of grace is considered to be a cleansing from the tendency to commit sin, an experience called entire sanctification which leads to Christian perfection.
Pentecost was born out of the Holiness Movement. Charles Fox Parham and William Seymour were both Holiness Ministers and used by God to restore Pentecost to the Church.
I have more respect for an atheist...at least, they are not phonies...
Oxbow:

It is pretty obvious you don't believe in sanctification in anyone but yourself....

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confrinting with the word wrote:
who="New Age Spiritual Leader"
I didn't say this.
The Bible should be free. Why pay for "God's word", if it truly was "God's word".
Did "God" charge Moses? Throughout history, did "God" charge anyone to receive "His word"?
- no "He" didn't. Only men have.
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Let me suggest that YOU print Bibles and build churches for free. NO ??? Suddenly you realize that it costs someone something.
Perhaps you can get General Motors or Toyota to provide you an automobile for free.
KayMarie
A Christian would answer these questions in less than a nano second...evidently you can't:

Does this verse teach Christ is God: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Do you agree with the following teaching, that is supported by Scripture???

SBC:
Christ is the eternal Son of God. In His incarnation as Jesus Christ He was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. Jesus perfectly revealed and did the will of God, taking upon Himself human nature with its demands and necessities and identifying Himself completely with mankind yet without sin...

And: The Catholics:
Jesus Christ, the incarnate Son of God...redeemer of the human Race..
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<quoted text> No that means that thiry two camels shit on their face for eternity.
Hmm! With the camels at least you know what you are getting, on the other hand anything can be a virgin, humans or animals male or female. Maybe the coran means 72 virgin male camels who knows.
Be careful of what you wish for it sounds like a trick to me.

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confrinting with the word wrote:
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Those who print and publish bibles.
And those who fashion crosses..rightly deserve to be paid for their service.
The Christian faith has many members,who give and run charities.
But most of us work hard a 'll our lives..pay taxes..And raise our children to be productive members if society.
these attributes are what made ThIS country great.
Not the so called charity of socialism..but.by individuals using their hard earned money and time to help others.
We pay for what we receive..including a bible ...
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The difference is that you are REQUIRED to pay taxes, and the politician spends it how he wishes.
God leaves us to our choice...then blesses those who CHOOSE to give of their means.
Pro 19:17 He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the LORD; and that which he hath given will He pay him again.
2Co 9:6 But this I say, He which sows sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which sows bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposes in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loves a cheerful giver.
2Co 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
2Co 9:9 (As it is written, He has dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remains for ever.
2Co 9:10 Now he that ministers seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness;)
2Co 9:11 Being enriched in every thing to all bountifulness, which causes through us thanksgiving to God.
2Co 9:12 For the administration of this service not only supplies the want of the saints, but is abundant also by many thanksgivings unto God;
2Co 9:13 While by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the gospel of Christ, and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men...
This nation has enjoyed plenty because of their generous giving to the poor. But today people are grumbling about giving, and if this continues, our 'blessings' will shrink. In fact, the nation is on the verge of bankruptcy now. If the feds weren't printing money so fast, we would feel the pinch already.
God LOVES a cheerful giver...
KayMarie
If you look at one charity or many on this site. This one is forc
Samaritanspurse.org

You will see that they spend most of their Monet on actual work for the poor and disaster relief

Now contrast that to the money we give to the FED. to spread out to the people ..who may or may nit be able to work.

There is s o much bureaucracy between taxes and the recipients. And do much fraud..nothing good comes from it and debt increases.

We are creating a whole sub population who do NOT contribute

This means more taxes for those who do.

Sooner or later the middle class will give up.

Then what..the charities are the first to suffer.

A great country ethic we are passing to our grandchildren

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm...

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who="Oxbow"
A Christian would answer these questions in less than a nano second...evidently you can't:
Does this verse teach Christ is God: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Do you agree with the following teaching, that is supported by Scripture???
SBC:
Christ is the eternal Son of God. In His incarnation as Jesus Christ He was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. Jesus perfectly revealed and did the will of God, taking upon Himself human nature with its demands and necessities and identifying Himself completely with mankind yet without sin...
And: The Catholics:
Jesus Christ, the incarnate Son of God...redeemer of the human Race..

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I'm getting concerned for you. This 'thought' is in no way related to my post.

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Human Being wrote:
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It is pretty obvious you don't believe in sanctification in anyone but yourself....
No comment...per Scripture:

Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

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are you flustered, bible buster, by the truth that is in the Bible about people like you.
UUMMM,I got news for ya.Not one author is known in the so called bible.FYI.

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confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Oxbow"
A Christian would answer these questions in less than a nano second...evidently you can't:
Does this verse teach Christ is God: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Do you agree with the following teaching, that is supported by Scripture???
SBC:
Christ is the eternal Son of God. In His incarnation as Jesus Christ He was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. Jesus perfectly revealed and did the will of God, taking upon Himself human nature with its demands and necessities and identifying Himself completely with mankind yet without sin...
And: The Catholics:
Jesus Christ, the incarnate Son of God...redeemer of the human Race..
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I'm getting concerned for you. This 'thought' is in no way related to my post.
KayMarie
I have asked him before..I have no idea what point his,questions,are for.

About Jesus being The Son of God?? Yes He is but not sure what else he wants us to say ..do you know
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confrinting with the word wrote:
who="jethro8"we have free will? so we don't have to follow the book of rules alleged to be the words of a god on how we are suppose to live and pray to him? and nothing bad will happen to us if we do this? if we freely choose not to believe what is written? if heaven exists we will still be allowed to go there? like I posted a few minutes ago, I keep hearing from religious people say god has a plan for us, if that is true how can we have free will? if our lives are already mapped out for us by some great plan by a god?
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God kindly gives you the FREE WILL to decide between HIS PLAN, and your own...
KayMarie
Well.....I don't believe that man can supersede Gods will and make that chose. God has to make the first move on a person or he will always be in a lost condition. Jethro8 is correct because salvation is of the Lord, the author and finisher in ones faith. If you claim a right of a free will chose the finishing part of salvation will belong to you. If it belongs to you then you can clearly boast of how by your own free will you have saved yourself. Anyone can be saved but, it will be by the sovereign grace of God and not by ones so called free will.

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Seraphima wrote:
We can all learn thing from this beautiful angel!!!
It did not say..But I pray she knew,Jesus,...

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<quoted text>Well.....I don't believe that man can supersede Gods will and make that chose. God has to make the first move on a person or he will always be in a lost condition. Jethro8 is correct because salvation is of the Lord, the author and finisher in ones faith. If you claim a right of a free will chose the finishing part of salvation will belong to you. If it belongs to you then you can clearly boast of how by your own free will you have saved yourself. Anyone can be saved but, it will be by the sovereign grace of God and not by ones so called free will.
Salvation is a free gift.

Grace .Faith ..all free

But as with any gift ..it's given..But to have a benefit from that gift ..one must receive it .

The free will comes from the freedom to open the gift or give it back unopened ..

THE GIFT IS MIST DEFINITELY GODS work ..But we are free to throw it right back ...in The trash.
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Would insurance companies,even give out information in their clients.
I am sure abuse occurs in any place where adults,are in authority ..including homes..And even some cults c claiming to be Christian.
But something about that report rings less. Than truthful ..imo.
Fir one thing the settings in Protestant churches tend to be more group oriented ..
But hey..even one case is too many in ANY setting. Imo
There is nothing untruthful about it at all. It is facts reported by credible sources.

Notwithstanding the media hysteria over sex abuse in the Catholic Church, priests abuse at a rate far lower than that of other males. While even one case of abuse is too many, approximately only 4% of all active priests between 1950 and 2002 were even ACCUSED of abuse a rate far lower than that of other males in the general population.

Newsweek magazine, April 7, 2010:

"[B]ased on the surveys and studies conducted by different denominations over the past 30 years, experts who study child abuse say they see little reason to conclude that sexual abuse is mostly a Catholic issue.'We don't see the Catholic Church as a hotbed of this or a place that has a bigger problem than anyone else,' said Ernie Allen, president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children

"Experts disagree on the rate of sexual abuse among the general American male population, but Allen says a conservative estimate is one in 10. Margaret Leland Smith, a researcher at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, says her review of the numbers indicates its closer to one in 5

"Since the mid-1980s, insurance companies have offered sexual misconduct coverage as a rider on liability insurance, and their own studies indicate that Catholic churches are not higher risk than other congregations It's been that way for decades."

USA Today, June 6, 2010:

"If anyone believes that priests offend at a higher rate than teachers or non-celibate clergy, then they should produce the evidence on which they are basing that conclusion. I know of none. Saying 'everybody knows' does not constitute scientific methodology."
Dr. Philip Jenkins, Pennsylvania State University. Protestant
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RoSesz wrote:
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Salvation is a free gift.
Grace .Faith ..all free
But as with any gift ..it's given..But to have a benefit from that gift ..one must receive it .
The free will comes from the freedom to open the gift or give it back unopened ..
THE GIFT IS MIST DEFINITELY GODS work ..But we are free to throw it right back ...in The trash.
Well....it is a gift of grace but only to the ones intended to receive it and they will not reject it. If you believe it can be rejected you believe a falsehood.

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Human Being wrote:
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New Age Spiritual Leader:
It is more like God makes himself available, and men use and abuse His availability, to which you complain....This has been done thought history, and I don't think it will change anytime soon.
Its okay though because God is very patient and forgiving....
You misunderstand me, I don't complain, I'm pointing out facts.

I will never buy a Bible nor will I ever purchase a cross.

I don't think anyone should profit off of Jesus or "God".

IMHO - since "greed" is one of the deadly sins, many so-called "Christians" will find the demise they shun upon others, to be their very own - if one is to believe in this kind of thing.
- Since I don't believe that a loving Father will shun me to my demise, I guess I can't really believe in a "hell" as others do.

*shrugs*

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Human Being wrote:
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Lol....And you don't think National Geographic had some ulterior motive?
Rather nave of you...(smiles)
I get at least once a month a "renew" your subscription pleading from National Geographic. I wonder why, and where they get the money to print up, and send their mail?
I suppose if I gave them some money they would go away? lol
Nicely said!! LOL!

If there was an ulterior motive by NG, IMO - it would be related to giving the world what Christianity failed to do, reveal a part of Jesus that was rejected by men.

This is a good thing.

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