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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 683925 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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#462911 Jul 17, 2013
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

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#462912 Jul 17, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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Well, you refer to women who have abortions as murderers - never did...show me or shut your cake hole.
Well now ... let me ask you THIS question. DO you believe that women who have abortions ARE murderers?

Remember now ... according to your theology ... your god is watching you, and knows what you post ... so if you claim that women aren't murderers of god's precious fetuses, they you are calling your own "god" a liar.

Quite a conundrum ... HUH???

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#462914 Jul 17, 2013
Please note how uninformed you are re Orthodoxy. You mock that I am so far out of line for questioning the Patriarchs. The Bishops at the Ecumenical Councils always looked to the people to check whether their decisions reflected the True faith as practiced through the centuries.Why? Because the people were sometimes the best judge of the Faith that had been safeguarded. So when you act like I am a heretic because I would question the Patriarchs, you show your lack of knowledge of our very history.

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#462915 Jul 17, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>If I eliminate the name calling, insults, and untruths, there is no substance here. Yes, I do have the right to disagree with the Patriarchs.As long as I believe in the core tenets of Orthodoxy I can disagree on anything else.I am united with my hurch in love not in monarchy.Love means I can disagree if a Patriarch goes against the True Teachings. If your people would have done that in the Middle Ages and disagreed and expressed it when a Pope or Bishop went south, your Church today would be more in line with the True Faith.
they will never understand Nick...there pride wont let them....you cant argue with a brick wall.

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#462916 Jul 17, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
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Hey Anthony, cant stay very busy day. However maybe Herme can post his open letter to the Patriarchs that he posted since he has said several times he isnt going to listen to them anyway if they differ from his apparently infallible opinions like his claim the Catholic church has more abuse than other churches backed by nothing but his bigotry and very unschoolarly opinions. The bottom line is since he has the right to his truth then I dont think he should bother claiming any authority of a Patriarch or what they say about anyone who is an Othroodox since he doesnt have to. Its a double standard.
http://credo.stormloader.com/Ecumenic/philioc...
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Please note how uninformed you are re Orthodoxy. You mock that I am so far out of line for questioning the Patriarchs. The Bishops at the Ecumenical Councils always looked to the people to check whether their decisions reflected the True faith as practiced through the centuries.Why? Because the people were sometimes the best judge of the Faith that had been safeguarded. So when you act like I am a heretic because I would question the Patriarchs, you show your lack of knowledge of our very history.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#462917 Jul 17, 2013
When Robert F was an Atheist he didn't believe that souls would go to hell for eternity for not believing in one religion or another, because he didn't believe in the existence of any hells, Christian, Muslim, or Buddhism, et cetera.

Now he is back under the spell of Catholicism, and the fact that he believes in the existence of his own specialized Christian hell, means he now AGAIN believes that people of all other religions WILL spend eternity in Christian hell for not being Catholic.

Isn't that RIGHT Robert F???

And he is PROUD of sliding back into his Catholic religion.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#462918 Jul 17, 2013
All preachers of all religions believe a creator chose them to preach truth, and they tell each other in no uncertain terms who is going to hell and who the creator is going to save.

And they don't perceive that in so-doing they suffer from vain-glories.

Religion is a shameful practice ... or at least it should be a shameful practice.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#462919 Jul 17, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>In our city we have a Italian catholic church and a polish catholic church.I guess they have the same Bishop right?The Italian church is in a Italian neighborhoos and the polish church is in the polish side of the city.
Yes, they have the same bishop. There are no ethnically divided Churches within an archdiocese with different Catholic bishops depending on their ehtnicity.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#462920 Jul 17, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>Are you serious? If they are in "good standing" it is because they agree with the Cath Church. If they disagree with the Cath Church they are "not in good standing".Therefore you will not find writers in "good standing" that disagree with the Church except for trivial issues.Why am I even having this conversation?
The authority of the Church is not a trivial issue, to Catholics anyaway.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#462921 Jul 17, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>If is a "different tradition",it is not the Orthodox Church tradition.If a Bishop is going to go against the Ortho Church and authorize a defrocked Ortho priest to have a Church isnt it obvious that the Ortho Church would give him the boot as well? I am very close to considering this particular line of dialogue as insincere and not worthy of response.
No need to get upset Hermi, I'm just going by what this writer said. The "tradition" I'm referring to is Greek vs. Russian, etc.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#462922 Jul 17, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>You really dont want the fats. You just want to keep questioning.Yes we have different ethnic churches in the same town under one Bishop.I attended a Liturgy concebrated by Greek Romanian and Russian priests with the Orthodox bishop presiding. Enough proof for you? You have to remember that there are Greek Cath Churches and non Chalcedonian Churches that are not Orthodox.Now leave me alone.You are not sincere.
Let me explain. A Greek Orthodox Church can be located on the same block as a Russian Orthodox Church. My understanding is that the priests and faithful have a Russian Orthodox bishop in charge of things and the Greek have a Greek bishop. Correct me if I'm mistaken.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#462923 Jul 17, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
physical, mental, and spiritual ills of humanity. This is a mystery of the Church and although firmly believed, there is reluctance to try to explain it in Orthodoxy.
Ruling bishop[edit]
A ruling bishop or diocesan bishop is responsible for and the head of all the parishes located in his a particular geographical territory, called a diocese or archdiocese. All authority of the lower orders of clergy is derived from the bishop. No divine services may be celebrated in any Orthodox building without the authorization of the appropriate bishop. Saint Ignatius the God-bearer of Antioch went so far as to state that "he who acts without the bishop's knowledge is in the devil's service."
A ruling bishop may have the title of Bishop, Archbishop, Metropolitan, Metropolitan Archbishop or Patriarch.
Rankings of bishops[edit]
Sacramentally, all bishops are equal, but there are distinctions of administrative rank.
Patriarchs[edit]
Main Article: Patriarch
The title patriarch is reserved for the primate of certain of the autocephalous Orthodox churches. The first hierarch of the other autocephalous churches are styled metropolitan or archbishop.
The title patriarch was first applied to the original three major sees of Rome, Alexandria, and Antioch, and shortly after extended to include Constantinople and Jerusalem (cf. Pentarchy).
Much later the term was granted to the heads of other most significant churches. Significance for some churches now may be more historical than actual.
Archbishops and Metropolitans[edit]
The title of archbishop or metropolitan may be granted to a senior bishop, usually one who is in charge of a large ecclesiastical jurisdiction. He may, or may not, have provincial oversight of suffragan bishops and may possibly have auxiliary bishops assisting him.
In the Slavonic and Antiochian traditions, a metropolitan outranks an archbishop, whereas the reverse is the situation in the Greek tradition. The Antiochian tradition also uses the style 'metropolitan archbishop' to differentiate from metropolitan bishops in the Greek tradition.
The change in the Greek tradition came about in later Greek history, because the diocesan bishops of ancient sees (which in the Greek diaspora include most) came to be styled metropolitans, short for "metropolitan bishops."
The Slavonic and Antiochian churches continue to follow the older tradition, where an archbishop is a senior bishop in charge of a major see, and a metropolitan is a bishop in charge of a province which may include a number of minor and/or major sees.
In the Greek tradition, all diocesan bishops of autocephalous churches such as the Church of Greece (the Bishop of Patras being Metropolitan) are now metropolitans, and an archbishop holds his title as an indication of greater importance for whatever reason. The Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America is the notable exception as all diocesan bishops carry the title of metropolitan. In other churches under the jurisdiction of the Ecumenical Patriarchate such as the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of Australia the ruling bishop is the archbishop while the other bishops are auxiliary bishops with titles of the ancient sees
"A ruling bishop or diocesan bishop is responsible for and the head of all the parishes located in his a particular geographical territory, called a diocese or archdiocese. All authority of the lower orders of clergy is derived from the bishop. No divine services may be celebrated in any Orthodox building without the authorization of the appropriate bishop. Saint Ignatius the God-bearer of Antioch went so far as to state that "he who acts without the bishop's knowledge is in the devil's service."

This is how the Catholic Church operates as well.

The question I have is related to the ethenically differing Churches and whether a Russian bishop is in charge of a Greek bishop if the Churches are located in the same geograhpic area.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#462924 Jul 17, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Well now ... let me ask you THIS question. DO you believe that women who have abortions ARE murderers?
Remember now ... according to your theology ... your god is watching you, and knows what you post ... so if you claim that women aren't murderers of god's precious fetuses, they you are calling your own "god" a liar.
Quite a conundrum ... HUH???
Not really

God says thou shall not kill

What you don't get Grams is the fact that thousands of women have had abortions, regret it, and even repent and come to faith in Jesus Christ. That is the part you hate. That is the part you don't get because you grew up in religion. Did they kill yes...will God show mercy and forgive yes.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#462925 Jul 17, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>Lies Lies Lies. I said I wouldnt listen to a Patriarch if he went against Christ. Of course you would listen to your Pope if he goes against Christ. Thats how your Church got to where it is today.
Can you please explain where Metropolitan Philip is lying? I sincerely want to understand.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#462926 Jul 17, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>they will never understand Nick...there pride wont let them....you cant argue with a brick wall.
Sera, I'd just like to know if more than one bishop oversees the same territory. According to Metropolitan Philip and this writer they do. You and Nick say that's not so. How is that prideful?
Human Being

Chatham, LA

#462927 Jul 17, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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You misunderstand me, I don't complain, I'm pointing out facts.
I will never buy a Bible nor will I ever purchase a cross.
I don't think anyone should profit off of Jesus or "God".
IMHO - since "greed" is one of the deadly sins, many so-called "Christians" will find the demise they shun upon others, to be their very own - if one is to believe in this kind of thing.
- Since I don't believe that a loving Father will shun me to my demise, I guess I can't really believe in a "hell" as others do.
*shrugs*
New Age Spiritual Leader

You write of "simony".

It is an ideal to not expect something in return for work rendered.
I think one must not muzzle the ox when it works.

You are getting "Juneitis", she thinks everyone within religion condemns everyone outside their own beliefs to hell....(smiles)
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#462928 Jul 17, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
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Hey Anthony, cant stay very busy day. However maybe Herme can post his open letter to the Patriarchs that he posted since he has said several times he isnt going to listen to them anyway if they differ from his apparently infallible opinions like his claim the Catholic church has more abuse than other churches backed by nothing but his bigotry and very unschoolarly opinions. The bottom line is since he has the right to his truth then I dont think he should bother claiming any authority of a Patriarch or what they say about anyone who is an Othroodox since he doesnt have to. Its a double standard.
http://credo.stormloader.com/Ecumenic/philioc...
Interesting article. It's not meshing with what Nick and Sera are saying. Not sure why....

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#462929 Jul 17, 2013
hojo wrote:
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Believing or not believing in the "Real Presence of Jesus HIMSELF in the Eucharist, is NOT an "opinion poll." I/we as Catholics will leave "personal editorialized opinions" of bible interpretation to the bible only Protestants and there 42,000+ contradicting, conflicting and inconsistent denominations ( correction --42,346, the new number today).
I repeat:
Not all Catholics swallow that swill!!!!!
Eucharist and Belief in the Real Presence
Nine in ten weekly Mass attendees (91 percent) say they believe that Jesus Christ is really present in the Eucharist, compared to two-thirds of those who attend Mass less than weekly but at least once a month (65 percent), and four in ten of those attending Mass a few times a year or less (40 percent).
Plus: That teaching of drinking the actual blood of Christ contradicts: That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
Which shows a fallible Bible...which it is not....
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#462930 Jul 17, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Well now ... let me ask you THIS question. DO you believe that women who have abortions ARE murderers?
Remember now ... according to your theology ... your god is watching you, and knows what you post ... so if you claim that women aren't murderers of god's precious fetuses, they you are calling your own "god" a liar.
Quite a conundrum ... HUH???
There is a woman in our church who had an abortion at a young age and just like I said, she regrets it...she repented of her sins...received CHRIST by faith...was baptized...now serves God in our church in a childrens' ministry and also works at a pro-life organization...counseling women that they do have a choice besides an abortion. She will tell you she killed but she will also say she is forgiven because of Jesus Christ.

Oh yes Grams...to GOD BE THE GLORY

LOL...you hate this kind of stuff huh..cause you could of had it but you rejected it.

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