I do not see why June would lie about that Clay. The bible is full of terrible things people did and the consequences of them. Kind David had a man murdered because he wanted to covet his wife. He did it in Secret. The Prophet then comes and gives an analogy and right away Kind David Speaks out righteous anger. Then he tells David the Man is him! That is but one example.<quoted text>
I don't believe you. But if it were true, your grandparents should have been arrested and thrown in jail for concealing a crime.
The destruction was done. People have doubts. When Joseph was thought dead sold by his brothers do you think his Father had doubt, pain, anger? Some will curse God or say how can a God let this happen. Does God answer prayers? If you choose in his own time and sometimes the answer will be no. Some Protestants will say that you do not believe because if you did you would be healed to sick people. I dont think thats right at all.
As far as abuse from what I have seen June has been fair on that stating that abuse is found everywhere and not Targeting the Catholic Church only. For that I give more credit than the majority of people on this thread. I defend against accusations abuse is a Catholic thing or far worse than anywhere else. I also contend with those who would say the church did nothing, or it doesnt happen in our church. I contend with the fact that you cannot view things how we do today given the lack of knowledge and policy on how to deal with these people anywhere. Various cultures globally also see things differently. However I do despise those who make it sound as if its a teaching, or a norm and self righteously deny it in their own ranks. Those people are hypocrites and dont really care about the bigger problem at large.
It was very hard for many americans to believe a president would commit crimes. Abusers are often respected people who are sociable and are in positions of trust and authority with youth. People rarely can believe they would do such things. Who would believe a Father would molest his own daughter or son? We want to believe the good. It is unfortunate that good people who have done no wrong or also maligned by false accusers making it difficult. Rape cases were rarely effective for women and still today rape is difficult to prove as people would say or the case presented she asked for it. Understanding the consequences. Men are raped too, by other men and even women. Some will argue a man cannot be raped by a woman. Well tell that to a woman who uses date rape drugs and has sex with him and then demands child support.
The bottom line Clay is I dont judge any particular faith on the sins and damage caused by the sin of some. Be happy that knowledge is being shared, that proactive steps are being taken and that not only the laity, but the church itself has a greater awareness of the scope of things and is working to prevent as much as possible and as Pope Benedict said this evil must be purged from our midst. Sadly alot needs to be done in many organizations. And if you argue that Junes Grandparents should be put in jail then alot of principals, teachers, your organizers Bishops, Rabbis who sent people to treatment or quietly dismissed them which is still prevalent or didnt believe they would do it again should have gone to jail even though they may have believed what they were doing was right. Many Protestant churches and other religions argue it is an internal matter and that is how it was dealt with. Many Predator laws are relatively new.