Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
ReginaM

Toms River, NJ

#459772 Jul 7, 2013
Jack Chick wrote:
"Roman Catholicism... is now more defined by the American Declaration of Independence than it is by the papal Syllabus of Errors;
It is more powerfully influenced by the Declaration on Religious Freedom, a Vatican II document Americans crafted, than it is by its own condemnation of Modernism;
Its present Code of Canon Law resonates with the language of the Bill of Rights and affirms equality, free speech, due process, freedom of association, freedom of inquiry and the right of privacy (!!! this is very different from Pius X's insistence that the laity must be "led…like a docile flock, to follow their pastor").
http://www.apadovano.com/church_catholic.html
The evil has been exposed. Signs abound. Be not willfully blind.
BM/FreeMind (lol), you really need to get some new material. As we told you the last six times you posted this tripe, Padovano is a laicized priest, pro-abortion, wymyn priests, married priests, blah, blah, blah. You and the other person who reads his blog really should get on the ball. Opinion pieces from aging ax-grinders do little to further your cause.
ReginaM

Toms River, NJ

#459773 Jul 7, 2013
Jack Chick wrote:
The first American Catholics would never have denied the validity of their neighbor's Church.
Read more about John Carroll, a real American Catholic.
"... In the first century and a half, Benjamin Franklin recommended John Carroll for a Church office and Protestants worked to create a colony where Catholics were welcome. Protestants were willing to do this just about a century after the bitter excommunication of Martin Luther in 1520. In America, Protestants gave land for Catholics to build Churches and, later, sent their children to Catholic schools.
We need to inquire why these promising beginnings did not continue.
http://www.apadovano.com/church_american.html
Cheer up, maybe he'll propose and you two can get myrried!!!

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#459774 Jul 7, 2013
If abortion offends a god, I ask that the god this very moment strike me dead!

Wait sixty seconds and see if I fall off my chair.

Surely for something SO important as protecting fetuses in the wombs of women this god will step up to the plate and do his duty of showing the devout believers that he exists.

After all ... one women (me) should be expendable to the god compared to millions of fetuses ... RIGHT???

Religion is bunk!
dr drue

Naperville, IL

#459775 Jul 7, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
I don't believe in life after death, but I'd like to believe in life before death. I'd like to think that one of these days we'll leave superstition and delusional thinking and Jerry Falwell behind. Scientists would like that, too. But for now, they like their grants even more."
Natalie Angier
You're correct Miss Clever.Life after death was invented by the egyptians.They would put food and guards in the grave with the dead for the after life.Ya see June we were created by an alien race to mine minerals in the mines in africa.They have found mines sixty thousand years old in africa thet were mined back then for gold.The first human that was created was a neanderthal but they were too stupid to figure out complex problems that would occur so they tweeked their DNA and bingo bango modern man was born.No God floating around for seven days like the flawed bible say just alien nohow.The ancient sumerians wrote about it thousands of years before the bible.Most of the storys in the bible are rehashed storys from the sumerians.FYI.I hope that helps miss Clever.

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#459776 Jul 7, 2013
We all ought to understand we're on our own.

Kids believing in Santa Claus is ok for a few years.

But it isn't smart for people to continue waiting all their lives for Santa to come down the chimney with something wonderful.

Santa Claus and God are cousins.

Christians talk as though goodness was their idea but good behavior doesn't have any religious origin.

Our prisons are filled with the devout.

I'd be more willing to accept religion, even if I didn't believe it, if I thought it made people nicer to each other but I don't think it does.

— Andy Rooney, Sincerely, Andy Rooney, 1999

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#459777 Jul 7, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Opinion pieces from aging ax-grinders do little to further your cause.
Opinions from lying theologians whose words you favor do NOTHING to further your cause to promote the idea that a Jew is lusting to save your Catholic butt!

I suggest you get over your self-importance and come back to earth to join the rest of us animals.

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#459778 Jul 7, 2013
dr drue wrote:
<quoted text>You're correct Miss Clever.Life after death was invented by the egyptians.
My guess is, religious nonsense started long before the word Egyptian even existed, and that theologians existed long before written language.

The hairy ape-like creatures probably told their tales of angry thunder gods as they sat around their campfires hoping not to be eaten by other hungry animals.
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#459779 Jul 7, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
Which you denied saying!!!!!
Are you still denying you said: I don't know a single Catholic who has never received the blood of Christ???
091
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Never said that.
Get the post number. I did not deny saying that.

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#459780 Jul 7, 2013
Jack Chick wrote:
The first American Catholics would never have denied the validity of their neighbor's Church.
Read more about John Carroll, a real American Catholic.
"... In the first century and a half, Benjamin Franklin recommended John Carroll for a Church office and Protestants worked to create a colony where Catholics were welcome. Protestants were willing to do this just about a century after the bitter excommunication of Martin Luther in 1520. In America, Protestants gave land for Catholics to build Churches and, later, sent their children to Catholic schools.
We need to inquire why these promising beginnings did not continue.
http://www.apadovano.com/church_american.html
We don't need to enquire why religious right-fighters don't get along. They value their own religious dogmas more than they value other people.
ReginaM

Toms River, NJ

#459781 Jul 7, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Opinions from lying theologians whose words you favor do NOTHING to further your cause to promote the idea that a Jew is lusting to save your Catholic butt!
I suggest you get over your self-importance and come back to earth to join the rest of us animals.
Oh, I'm sorry, did I get a little too close to home?

(You really aren't an equal opportunity atheist, are you? I noticed that quite some time ago. Tea time! Have a good one, June!)
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#459782 Jul 7, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
If you trusted that a god loves me, you wouldn't preach at me about sin resulting in hell.
I suggest you stop lying.
I don't preach to you.

Do you love your daughter? Would you tell her that driving drunk will kill her?
LTM

Chelmsford, Canada

#459783 Jul 7, 2013
"How do I get right with God?"

Answer: In order to get “right” with God, we must first understand what is “wrong.” The answer is sin.“There is no one who does good, not even one”(Psalm 14:3). We have rebelled against God’s commands; we “like sheep, have gone astray”(Isaiah 53:6).

The bad news is that the penalty for sin is death.“The soul who sins is the one who will die”(Ezekiel 18:4). The good news is that a loving God has pursued us in order to bring us salvation. Jesus declared His purpose was “to seek and to save what was lost”(Luke 19:10), and He pronounced His purpose accomplished when He died on the cross with the words,“It is finished!”(John 19:30).

Having a right relationship with God begins with acknowledging your sin. Next comes a humble confession of your sin to God (Isaiah 57:15) and a determination to forsake the sin.“For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved”(Romans 10:10).

This repentance must be accompanied by faith – specifically, faith that Jesus’ sacrificial death and miraculous resurrection qualify Him to be your Savior.“If you confess with your mouth,‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved”(Romans 10:9). Many other passages speak of the necessity of faith, such as John 20:27; Acts 16:31; Galatians 2:16; 3:11, 26; and Ephesians 2:8.

Being right with God is a matter of your response to what God has done on your behalf. He sent the Savior, He provided the sacrifice to take away your sin (John 1:29), and He offers you the promise:“Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved”(Acts 2:21).

A beautiful illustration of repentance and forgiveness is the parable of the prodigal son (Luke 15:11-32). The younger son wasted his father’s gift in shameful sin (verse 13). When he acknowledged his wrongdoing, he decided to return home (verse 18). He assumed he would no longer be considered a son (verse 19), but he was wrong. The father loved the returned rebel as much as ever (verse 20). All was forgiven, and a celebration ensued (verse 24). God is good to keep His promises, including the promise to forgive.“The Lord is close to the brokenhearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit”(Psalm 34:18).

If you want to get right with God, here is a sample prayer. Remember, saying this prayer or any other prayer will not save you. It is only trusting in Christ that can save you from sin. This prayer is simply a way to express to God your faith in Him and thank Him for providing for your salvation. "God, I know that I have sinned against You and am deserving of punishment. But Jesus Christ took the punishment that I deserve so that through faith in Him I could be forgiven. I place my trust in You for salvation. Thank You for Your wonderful grace and forgiveness – the gift of eternal life! Amen!"

LTM

Chelmsford, Canada

#459784 Jul 7, 2013
"How to get to heaven - what are the ideas from the different religions?"

Answer: There appears to be five major categories regarding how to get to heaven in the world’s religions. Most believe that hard work and wisdom will lead to ultimate fulfillment, whether that is unity with god (Hinduism, Buddhism, and Baha’i) or freedom and independence (Scientology, Jainism). Others, like Unitarianism and Wicca, teach the afterlife is whatever you want it to be, and salvation is a non-issue because the sin nature doesn’t exist. A few believe either the afterlife doesn’t exist, or it’s too unknowable to consider.

Derivatives of the worship of the Christian-Judeo God generally hold that faith in God and/or Jesus and the accomplishment of various deeds, including baptism or door-to-door evangelism, will ensure the worshiper will go to heaven. Only Christianity teaches that salvation is a free gift of God through faith in Christ (Ephesians 2:8-9), and no amount of work or effort is necessary or possible to get to heaven.

Atheism: Some atheists believe there is no heaven—no afterlife at all. Upon death, people simply cease to exist. Others attempt to define the afterlife using quantum mechanics and other scientific methods.
LTM

Chelmsford, Canada

#459785 Jul 7, 2013
Baha’i: Like many other religions, Baha’i doesn’t teach that man was born with a sin nature or that man needs saving from evil. Man simply needs saving from his erroneous beliefs of how the world works and how he is to interact with the world. God sent messengers to explain to people how to come to this knowledge: Abraham, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad, and Baha’u’llah. These prophets progressively revealed the nature of God to the world. Upon death, a person’s soul continues its spiritual journey, perhaps through the states known as heaven and hell, until it comes to a final resting point, united with god.
Buddhism: Buddhism also believes that heaven, or “Nirvana,” is to be rejoined in spirit with god. Reaching Nirvana, a transcendental, blissful, spiritual state, requires following the Eightfold Path. This includes understanding the universe, and acting, speaking, and living in the right manner and with the right intentions. Mastering these and the other eight paths will return a worshipper’s spirit to god.
Chinese Religion: Chinese Religion is not an organized church, but an amalgamation of different religions and beliefs including Taoism and Buddhism. Upon death, worshipers are judged. The good are sent either to a Buddhist paradise or a Tao dwelling place. The bad are sent to hell for a period of time and then reincarnated.
Christianity: Christianity is the only religion that teaches man can do nothing to earn or pay his way into heaven. Man, a slave to the sin nature he was born with, must completely rely on the grace of God in applying Jesus Christ’s sacrifice to the sins of the believer. Upon death, the spirits of Christians go to a temporary paradise, while the spirits of unbelievers go to another temporary holding place. At the final judgment, Christians are given a new body and spend eternity with God in paradise, while unbelievers are separated from God for eternity in hell.
Confucianism: Confucianism concentrates on appropriate behavior in life, not a future heaven. The afterlife is unknowable, so all effort should be made to make this life the best it can be, to honor ancestors, and to respect elders.
Eastern Orthodox: Orthodoxy is a Christian-Judeo derivative that reinterprets key Scripture verses in such a way that works become essential to reach heaven. They believe faith in Jesus is necessary for salvation, but where Christianity teaches that becoming more Christ-like is the result of Christ’s influence in a believer’s life. Orthodoxy teaches that it is a part of the salvation process. As a result, they believe if that process (called theosis) is not performed appropriately, a worshiper can lose his/her salvation. After death, the devout live in an intermediate state where this theosis can be completed. Those who have belief but did not accomplish sufficient progress in theosis are sent to a temporary “direful condition” and will go to hell unless the living devout pray and complete acts of mercy on their behalf. After final judgment, the devout are sent to heaven and the others to hell. Heaven and hell are not locations, but reactions to being in the presence of God, as there is nowhere that He is not present. For Christ-followers, God’s presence is paradise, but for the unsaved, being with God is eternal torment.
LTM

Chelmsford, Canada

#459786 Jul 7, 2013
Hinduism: Hinduism is similar to Buddhism. Salvation (or Moksha) is reached when the worshiper is freed from the cycle of reincarnation, and his spirit becomes one with god. One becomes free by ridding oneself of bad karma—the effect of evil action or evil intent. This can be done in three different ways: through selfless devotion to and service of a particular god, through understanding the nature of the universe, or by mastering the actions needed to fully appease the gods.
In a religion with over a million different gods, there are differences of opinion regarding the nature of salvation. The advaita believe salvation occurs when one can strip away the false self and make the soul indistinguishable from that of god. The dualist insists that one’s soul always retains its own identity even as it is joined with god.
Islam: Islam is a take-off on the Christian/Judeo God. Muslims believe salvation comes to those who obey Allah sufficiently that good deeds outweigh the bad. Muslims hope that repeating what Muhammad did and said will be enough to get to heaven, but they also recite extra prayers, fast, go on pilgrimages, and perform good works in hope of tipping the scales. Martyrdom in service to Allah is the only work guaranteed to send a worshiper to paradise.
Jainism: Jainism came to be in India about the same time as Hinduism and is very similar. One must hold the right belief, have the right knowledge, and act in the right manner. Only then can a soul be cleansed of karma. But in Jainism, there is no creator. There is no higher god to reach or lend aid. Salvation is man as master of his own destiny, liberated and perfect, filled with infinite perception, knowledge, bliss, and power.
Jehovah’s Witnesses: The teaching of the Watchtower Society is the epitome of the saying “a cult of Christianity is a religion that misinterprets the book of Revelation.” Similar to Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses teach different levels of heaven. The anointed are 144,000 who receive salvation by the blood of Christ and will rule with Him in paradise. They are the bride of Christ. To all others, Jesus’ sacrifice only freed them from Adam’s curse of original sin, and “faith” is merely the opportunity to earn their way to heaven. They must learn about Kingdom history, keep the laws of Jehovah, and be loyal to “God’s government”—the 144,000 leaders, 9000 of whom are currently on the Earth. They must also spread the news about the Kingdom, including door-to-door proselytizing. Upon death, they will be resurrected during the millennial kingdom where they must continue a devout life. Only afterwards are they given the opportunity to formally accept Christ and live for eternity under the rule of the 144,000.
Judaism: Jews believe that as individuals and as a nation, they begin reconciled to God. Through sin (individually or collectively) they can lose their salvation, but they can also earn it back through repentance, good deeds, and a life of devotion.
LTM

Chelmsford, Canada

#459787 Jul 7, 2013
Mormonism: Mormons believe their religion to be a derivative of Judeo/Christianity, but their reliance on extra-grace works belies this. They also have a different view of heaven. To reach the second heaven under “general salvation,” one must accept Christ (either in this life or the next), and be baptized or be baptized by proxy through a living relative. To reach the highest heaven, one must believe in God and Jesus, repent of sins, be baptized in the church, be a member of the LDS church, receive the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands, obey the Mormon “Word of Wisdom” and all God’s commandments, and complete certain temple rituals including marriage. This “individual salvation” leads to the worshiper and his/her spouse becoming gods and giving birth to spirit children who return to Earth as the souls of the living.
LTM

Chelmsford, Canada

#459788 Jul 7, 2013
Roman Catholicism: Roman Catholics originally believed only those in the Roman Catholic Church could be saved. Joining the church was a long process of classes, rituals, and baptism. People who had already been baptized but were not members of the Roman Catholic Church had different requirements and may even already be considered Christians. Baptism is “normatively” required for salvation, but this can include “baptism of blood”(i.e.: martyrdom) or “baptism of desire”(wanting to be baptized really badly). From the catechism:“Those who die for the faith, those who are catechumens, and all those who, without knowing of the Church but acting under the inspiration of grace, seek God sincerely and strive to fulfill his will, are saved even if they have not been baptized.” Despite the changes through the years, baptism (or the desire for baptism) is still required for salvation.
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#459789 Jul 7, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you deny that these verses teach that Christ is the Son of God???
As Scripture teaches:
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Then, after speaking in many and varied ways through the prophets, "now at last in these days God has spoken to us in His Son":(Heb. 1:1-2).
For He sent His Son, the eternal Word, who enlightens all men, so that He might dwell among men and tell them of the innermost being of God (see John 1:1-18).
Jesus Christ, therefore, the Word made flesh, was sent as "a man to men." He "speaks the words of God" (John 3;34), and completes the work of salvation which His Father gave Him to do (see John 5:36; John 17:4)
The Word was God.... And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
LTM

Chelmsford, Canada

#459790 Jul 7, 2013
Upon death, the souls of those who rejected Christ are sent to hell. The souls of those who accepted Christ and performed sufficient acts to be purified of sin go to heaven. Those who died in faith but did not complete the steps to be purified are sent to purgatory where they undergo temporary, painful punishment until their souls are cleansed. Purification by torment may be lessened by suffering during life and the offerings and prayers of others on the sinner’s behalf. Once purification is complete, the soul may go to heaven.
Scientology: Scientology is similar to Eastern religions in that salvation is achieved through knowledge of self and the universe. The “Thetan”(Scientology’s answer to the soul) travels through several different lifetimes, attempting to expel painful and traumatic images that cause a person to act fearfully and irrationally. Once a Scientologist is “cleared” of these harmful images and becomes an “operating thetan,” he/she is able to control thought, life, matter, energy, space, and time.
Sikhism: Sikhism was created in reaction to the conflict between Hinduism and Islam, and carries on many of Hinduism’s influences—although Sikhs are monotheistic.“Evil” is merely human selfishness. Salvation is attained by living an honest life and meditating on god. If performed sufficiently, the worshipper is released from the cycle of reincarnation and becomes one with god.
Shinto: The afterlife in Shinto was originally a dire, Hades-like realm. Matters of the afterlife have now been transferred to Buddhism. This salvation is dependent on penance and avoiding impurity or pollution of the soul. Then one’s soul can join those of its ancestors.
Taoism: Like several other Eastern religions (Shinto, Chinese folk religions, Sikhism), Taoism adopted many of its afterlife principles from Buddhism. Initially, Taoists didn’t concern themselves with worries of the afterlife and, instead, concentrated on creating a utopian society. Salvation was reached by aligning with the cosmos and receiving aid from supernatural immortals who resided on mountains, islands, and other places on Earth. The result was immortality. Eventually, Taoists abandoned the quest for immortality and took on the afterlife teachings of Buddhism.
Unitarian-Universalism: Unitarians are allowed to and encouraged to believe anything they like about the afterlife and how to get there. Although in general, they believe people should seek enlightenment in this life and not worry too much about the afterlife.
Wicca: Wiccans believe many different things about the afterlife, but most seem to agree that there is no need for salvation. People either live in harmony with the Goddess by caring for her physical manifestation—the Earth—or they don’t, and their bad karma is returned to them three-fold. Some believe souls are reincarnated until they learn all their life lessons and become one with the Goddess. Some are so committed to following one’s individual path that they believe individuals determine what will happen when they die; if worshippers think they’re going to be reincarnated or sent to hell or joined with the goddess, they will be. Others refuse to contemplate the afterlife at all. Either way, they don’t believe in sin or anything they need saving from.
Zoroastrianism: Zoroastrianism may be the first religion that stated that the afterlife was dependent one’s actions in life. There is no reincarnation, just a simple judgment four days after death. After a sufficient amount of time in hell, however, even the condemned can go to heaven. To be judged righteous, one can use knowledge or devotion, but the most effective way is through action.

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#459791 Jul 7, 2013
"I was a child evangelist and preacher, and I used to go around a lot of churches in Arizona specifically [...] it was coming along sort of in stages [...] slowly through high school, and so by the first year of college, I pretty much had realised that I am an atheist." [...] "Well I always say, reading the Bible [made me an atheist]. The more I read the Bible and I tried to use the Bible to convert other people to Christianity, I realised, well I have to learn the arguments of the other religions I'm trying to convert. And the more I tried to learn the arguments and compare them to mine, the more I realised, I could make the arguments for their side just as well. Then it went into, you know, how do I know that anything I believe is true? And eventually I realised I have no evidence for any religion being true, and at that point, I was an atheist."

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