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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 691919 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Michael

Canada

#459523 Jul 6, 2013
socci wrote:
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and you would be another victim of the state.
Muslims are not free to choose their religion or convert. Most Christians are not born into it. We were educated in secular state schools.
argument fail.
Most christians are roman catholic, and most roman catholics are indoctrinated by family into the catholic faith while still in the womb.

BUSTED!
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#459524 Jul 6, 2013
Michael wrote:
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Most christians are roman catholic, and most roman catholics are indoctrinated by family into the catholic faith while still in the womb.
BUSTED!
Virtually NO CHRISTIANS are Roman Catholic.

A key distinction between Roman Catholics and Christians is the view of the Bible. Roman Catholics view the Bible as having equal authority with the Church and tradition. Christians view the Bible as the supreme authority for faith and practice.

A second key difference between Roman Catholics and Bible Christians is the understanding of how we can approach God. Roman Catholics tend to approach God through intermediaries, such as Mary or the saints. Christians approach God directly, offering prayers to no one other than God Himself.

The most crucial difference between Roman Catholics and Bible Christians is on the issue of salvation. Roman Catholics view salvation almost entirely as a process, while Christians view salvation as both a completed status and a process. Roman Catholics see themselves as “being saved,” while Christians view themselves as “having been saved.” I Corinthians 1:2 says,“To those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy.” The words “sanctified” and “holy” come from the same Greek root. This verse is declaring that Christians are both sanctified and called to be sanctified. The Bible presents salvation as a gift that is received the moment a person places faith in Jesus Christ as Savior (John 3:16). When a person receives Christ as Savior, he/she is justified (declared righteous – Romans 5:9), redeemed (rescued from slavery to sin – I Peter 1:18), reconciled (achieving peace with God – Romans 5:1), sanctified (set apart for God’s purposes – I Corinthians 6:11), and born again as a new creation (I Peter 1:23; II Corinthians 5:17). Each of these is fully accomplished at the moment of salvation. Christians are then called to live out practically (called to be holy) what is already true positionally (sanctified).

The Roman Catholic viewpoint is that salvation is received by faith, but then must be “maintained” by good works and participation in the Sacraments. Bible Christians do not deny the importance of good works or that Christ calls us to observe the ordinances in remembrance of Him and in obedience to Him. The difference is that Christians view these things as the result of salvation, not a requirement for salvation or a means of maintaining salvation. Salvation is an accomplished work, purchased by the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ (I John 2:2). God offers us salvation and assurance of salvation because Jesus’ sacrifice was fully, completely, and perfectly sufficient. If we receive God’s precious gift of salvation, we can know that we are saved. I John 5:13 declares, "I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may KNOW that you have eternal life.”

We can know that we have eternal life, and we can have assurance of our salvation because of the greatness of Christ’s sacrifice. Christ’s sacrifice does not need to be re-offered or re-presented. Hebrews 7:27 says,“He sacrificed for their sins once for all when He offered Himself.” Hebrews 10:10 declares,“We have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.” I Peter 3:18 exclaims,“For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God.” Christ’s once-for-all sacrifice was absolutely and perfectly sufficient. Jesus declared on the cross,“It is finished”(John 19:30). Jesus’ atoning sacrifice was the full payment for all of our sins (I John 2:2). As a result, all of our sins are forgiven, and we are promised eternal life in heaven the moment we receive the gift God offers us – salvation through Jesus Christ (John 3:16).
LTM

Kingston, Canada

#459526 Jul 6, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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I thought "all have sinned"?
Do children know or have knowledge of sin. no they do not.
There is however a age of count ability.
Human Being

Sunset, LA

#459527 Jul 6, 2013
OldJG wrote:
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Virtually NO CHRISTIANS are Roman Catholic.
A key distinction between Roman Catholics and Christians is the view of the Bible. Roman Catholics view the Bible as having equal authority with the Church and tradition. Christians view the Bible as the supreme authority for faith and practice.
A second key difference between Roman Catholics and Bible Christians is the understanding of how we can approach God. Roman Catholics tend to approach God through intermediaries, such as Mary or the saints. Christians approach God directly, offering prayers to no one other than God Himself.
The most crucial difference between Roman Catholics and Bible Christians is on the issue of salvation. Roman Catholics view salvation almost entirely as a process, while Christians view salvation as both a completed status and a process. Roman Catholics see themselves as “being saved,” while Christians view themselves as “having been saved.” I Corinthians 1:2 says,“To those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy.” The words “sanctified” and “holy” come from the same Greek root. This verse is declaring that Christians are both sanctified and called to be sanctified. The Bible presents salvation as a gift that is received the moment a person places faith in Jesus Christ as Savior (John 3:16). When a person receives Christ as Savior, he/she is justified (declared righteous – Romans 5:9), redeemed (rescued from slavery to sin – I Peter 1:18), reconciled (achieving peace with God – Romans 5:1), sanctified (set apart for God’s purposes – I Corinthians 6:11), and born again as a new creation (I Peter 1:23; II Corinthians 5:17). Each of these is fully accomplished at the moment of salvation. Christians are then called to live out practically (called to be holy) what is already true positionally (sanctified).
The Roman Catholic viewpoint is that salvation is received by faith, but then must be “maintained” by good works and participation in the Sacraments. Bible Christians do not deny the importance of good works or that Christ calls us to observe the ordinances in remembrance of Him and in obedience to Him. The difference is that Christians view these things as the result of salvation, not a requirement for salvation or a means of maintaining salvation. Salvation is an accomplished work, purchased by the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ (I John 2:2). God offers us salvation and assurance of salvation because Jesus’ sacrifice was fully, completely, and perfectly sufficient. If we receive God’s precious gift of salvation, we can know that we are saved. I John 5:13 declares, "I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may KNOW that you have eternal life.”

(shortened for a response.)
OldJG

All Christians are Catholic. All Catholics are Christians. Those who seek to exclude some, are judging them, and are then judged.

For by grace ye are saved through faith. It is not the work of faith that saves. It is by grace you are saved.

If tradition is practice, then your "key distinction" is not a true supposition and conclusion.

If Roman Catholics pray directly to God, and supplement their prayers with asking other saints for prayers to God, then your "second key difference" is wrong.(Which it is, imho.)

Sanctification is a process. You are equating salvation and sanctification which is an equivocation.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#459528 Jul 6, 2013
OldJG wrote:
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Virtually NO CHRISTIANS are Roman Catholic.
A key distinction between Roman Catholics and Christians is the view of the Bible. Roman Catholics view the Bible as having equal authority with the Church and tradition. Christians view the Bible as the supreme authority for faith and practice.

ly (sanctified).
The Roman Catholic viewpoint is that salvation is received by faith, but then must be “maintained” by good works and participation in the Sacraments. Bible Christians do not deny the importance of good works or that Christ calls us to observe the ordinances in remembrance of Him and in obedience to Him. The difference is that Christians view these things as the result of salvation, not a requirement for salvation or a means of maintaining salvation. Salvation is an accomplished work, purchased by the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ (I John 2:2). God offers us salvation and assurance of salvation because Jesus’ sacrifice was fully, completely, and perfectly sufficient. If we receive God’s precious gift of salvation, we can know that we are saved. I John 5:13 declares, "I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may KNOW that you have eternal life.”
We can know that we have eternal life, and we can have assurance of our salvation because of the greatness of Christ’s sacrifice. Christ’s sacrifice does not need to be re-offered or re-presented. Hebrews 7:27 says,“He sacrificed for their sins once for all when He offered Himself.” Hebrews 10:10 declares,“We have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.” I Peter 3:18 exclaims,“For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God.” Christ’s once-for-all sacrifice was absolutely and perfectly sufficient. Jesus declared on the cross,“It is finished”(John 19:30). Jesus’ atoning sacrifice was the full payment for all of our sins (I John 2:2). As a result, all of our sins are forgiven, and we are promised eternal life in heaven the moment we receive the gift God offers us – salvation through Jesus Christ (John 3:16).
"Christians view the Bible as the supreme authority for faith and practice."

No, fundies view themselves as the supreme authority for faith and practice based on their private judgement of scripture. Catholics follow the bible which doesn't one word about being the supreme authority.

" Roman Catholics tend to approach God through intermediaries, such as Mary or the saints."

Wrong. We pray directly to God. Prayers to the saints is the no different than a fundie asking a fellow pew warmer to pray for them.

The rest of this is more of the same misrepresented garbage. Wouldn't this loser be better off actually citing an official Catholic source?
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#459529 Jul 6, 2013
Michael wrote:
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Where was your voice Anthony everytime a priest was exposed and another bishop caught in lies, deceit and coverup?
Where were your calls of condemnation?.........SILENCE!
My "voice" was one of the millions of Catholics who demanded children be protected from predators which in turn resulted in the safest environment for children in the nation, if not the world.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#459530 Jul 6, 2013
LTM wrote:
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Do children know or have knowledge of sin. no they do not.
There is however a age of count ability.
Then not "all have sinned".

And book, chapter, verse where age of accountability is mentioned.
Chess Jurist

Valley City, OH

#459531 Jul 6, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Well you seem to know what I bash, so that's really all that matters ... isn't it?
:)
Incorrect.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#459532 Jul 6, 2013
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Anthony MN wrote:
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"Christians view the Bible as the supreme authority for faith and practice."
No, fundies view themselves as the supreme authority for faith and practice based on their private judgement of scripture. Catholics follow the bible which doesn't one word about being the supreme authority.
" Roman Catholics tend to approach God through intermediaries, such as Mary or the saints."
Wrong. We pray directly to God. Prayers to the saints is the no different than a fundie asking a fellow pew warmer to pray for them.
The rest of this is more of the same misrepresented garbage. Wouldn't this loser be better off actually citing an official Catholic source?
Anthony MN wrote:
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No biggie. And you won't see any triumphalism coming from me as far as the Orthodox are concerned. Protestantism is another story.

Are you still denying you said: I don't know a single Catholic who has never received the blood of Christ???

091

Anthony MN wrote:
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Never said that.

Oxbow wrote:
072 Anthony MN wrote: We've been receiving the chalice in every mass, weekday and Sunday for a number of years in my parish.
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If the Catholics base their practice of eating what they say is the actual body of Christ, and drinking the what they say is the actual blood of Christ...why did it take them that long to "get it right"...

Did not Christ say "eat my body AND drink my blood????
When I were a Catholic...the congregation only got the "body"...why were they not also given the "blood"????
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I don't know a single Catholic who has never received the blood of Christ.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#459533 Jul 6, 2013
081
RoSesz wrote:
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I imagine anyone over forty would then and now have trouble reading..I doubt eyesight was his thorn..But might be h a rider to read the scrolls ..And write letters..??? But that wouldn't have affected the young Paul
RoSesz wrote:
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By we ..do you mean you and the 143'999 others who think Cain was the child of the serpent ..th a t we.
Umm no thanks on your conjecture on Paul.

066

RoSesz wrote:
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Read it ..now you are just looking to argue. And about what or what point you are trying to make. Not a clue..

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I read it..quoting your words and asking you to show support for same is not arguing....

You said:"The serpent was at the tree with her ..He has been depicted on the tree."....Ah said: answer the question....where are you reading this????

You said: "The rest is in the fall in Genesis clearly stated"...Ah said: answer the question...where are you reading this????

You said:Gen 2:16. God speaks to Adam.
Ah said: So?????

You said: Gen 3. Eve tells the serpent what she has been told
Do not eat. Do not touch

I said: Ge 3 has 24 verses....where in Ge 3 are you reading this????

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#459534 Jul 6, 2013
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Anthony MN wrote:
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"Christians view the Bible as the supreme authority for faith and practice."
No, fundies view themselves as the supreme authority for faith and practice based on their private judgement of scripture. Catholics follow the bible which doesn't one word about being the supreme authority.
" Roman Catholics tend to approach God through intermediaries, such as Mary or the saints."
Wrong. We pray directly to God. Prayers to the saints is the no different than a fundie asking a fellow pew warmer to pray for them.
The rest of this is more of the same misrepresented garbage. Wouldn't this loser be better off actually citing an official Catholic source?
Anthony MN wrote:
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"speaking to"

The definition of "addressing" which means "speaking to" does not limit "speaking to" only to angels. So, every time I speak to my dog, I am following your Catholic teaching!!!!!
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#459535 Jul 6, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
0181
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Anthony MN wrote:
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No biggie. And you won't see any triumphalism coming from me as far as the Orthodox are concerned. Protestantism is another story.
Are you still denying you said: I don't know a single Catholic who has never received the blood of Christ???
091
Anthony MN wrote:
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Never said that.
Oxbow wrote:
072 Anthony MN wrote: We've been receiving the chalice in every mass, weekday and Sunday for a number of years in my parish.
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If the Catholics base their practice of eating what they say is the actual body of Christ, and drinking the what they say is the actual blood of Christ...why did it take them that long to "get it right"...
Did not Christ say "eat my body AND drink my blood????
When I were a Catholic...the congregation only got the "body"...why were they not also given the "blood"????
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I don't know a single Catholic who has never received the blood of Christ.
No, I'm ignoring you because you're an idiot.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#459536 Jul 6, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Thousands of protestant fundie posts ranting and raving about sex abuse by Catholic priests and the minute one mentions they have thier own problems it becomes a contest. Funny there's never a peep from you June when they're screaming. Not really an equal opportunity religion hater are you?
Actually I have many times brought up the fact that molestation and cover-ups occurred in many Protestant churches, and other places worship concerning other religions, but that the Catholic church being a central organization takes the most flack, so you are wrong.

I also mentioned on more than one occasion that molestation of children is common in homes all over the world, so it is simply common sense that the same type of molestation and cover-ups would occur in places of worship.

Whether religious or not religious, humans will be human.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#459537 Jul 6, 2013
Human Being wrote:
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OldJG
All Christians are Catholic.
You are again being silly.

I suggest it is an insult to refer to a Protestant as Catholic, as they broke away from Catholicism, just as Catholics broke away from Judaism.

Why you would pull that stunt is a mystery to me.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#459538 Jul 6, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Then not "all have sinned".
And book, chapter, verse where age of accountability is mentioned.
22100 to aunt
095

Anthony MN wrote: So after you joined the SBC the preacher told you you were no longer an expert liar, multiple adulterer and abuser....he must be quite the salesman.
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He said no such thing...I knew then as I know now, I am an ex expert liar...never an adulterer due to any marital status...never an abuser...

Now...tell me you never lied....ever...
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#459539 Jul 6, 2013
Chess Jurist wrote:
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Incorrect.
Of course your opinion of what I bash is all that is important to you concerning that subject. Otherwise you wouldn't have brought the subject up in the first place.

The fact is, I don't favor one religion over another, and you know that is true.

I don't have use for "any" religion whatsoever.

People can be kind without religion and they can be damned mean when in religion. So religion doesn't improve human character.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#459541 Jul 6, 2013
When I found out that a specific nurse had worked in a unit of the hospital where abortions were performed, I asked her if it bothered her conscience in any way to assist these women. When she said that it didn't bother her conscience at all, I asked if she believed in women having abortions. She assured me that she did not personally believe in it for herself, but she knew that others did not believe the way she did, and then she assured me that she felt it a good thing that women who were determined to have abortions had the best possible care.

I found out that when her grandmother was a young women, she had (what was then referred to as a back-street abortion). And (as happened in so many cases) she died and left the children and husband to fend for their selves.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#459542 Jul 6, 2013
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Anthony MN wrote:
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Then not "all have sinned".
And book, chapter, verse where age of accountability is mentioned.
Any Christian knows the Bible does not teach a particular age of accountability....because we are all individuals and not preset robots...

All have sinned...only a Catholic would call God a liar!!!!

However, not all are held accountable for their acts of sin...per Scripture.

If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.

Plus:
Catholic Essentials

Sin is defined as, "Any thought, word, or deed against the Law of God."

Any one with an ounce of brain can understand when a person, for whatever reason, cannot produce a thought, word, or deed against the Law of God, is not held accountable for their actions...

Ever hear of "Not guilty by reason of insanity"???
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#459543 Jul 6, 2013
Ruby Keeler was a devout Catholic (very popular tap-dancer and movie star) who was able to divorce the also very popular singer Al Jolson in 1940.

She had been married to Al Jolson for 12 years and claimed emotional abuse as her reason for wanting a divorce.

For those with wealth, "god" didn't seem to have any trouble with Catholics getting a divorce.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Keeler

Imagine all the women who took beatings, lived in poverty, continually pregnant and barefoot, and yet were not allowed to leave their husbands according to the men of the clergy ... because "god" ordained that marriage was forever.

Religion is bunk!

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#459544 Jul 6, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Then not "all have sinned".
And book, chapter, verse where age of accountability is mentioned.
JESUS SAID

THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS LIKE CHILDREN...INNOCENT

Mat_19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me:

-->for of such is the kingdom of heaven.


Mar_10:14 But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of
--> such is the kingdom of God.

Luk_18:16 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not:

--> for of such is the kingdom of God.

JESUS SAID WE WERE TO BECOME AS A LITTLE CHILD...INNOCENT

Mar_10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.

Luk_18:17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.

QUESTION
IF LITTLE CHILDREN ARE SUCH SINNERS..AND ONLY WORTHY OF DEATH....WHY

DID JESUS SET THEM UP (SAY THEY WERE) AS EXAMPLES FOR US TO FOLLOW...?

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