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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 672884 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Clay

Garden City, MI

#459235 Jul 5, 2013
Tom wrote:
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The catholic church right around the world has had a perverted sub-culture within the ranks of their clergy.
http://bishop-accountability.org/priestdb/Pri...
Check your own state? Check Anthonys state of Minnesota and all the dioceses there..........and these are ONLY the ones we know about.
UNBELIEVABLE!
I see your favorite subject has come up, so will come back on to discuss child sexual abuse!

You're the king of trash internet outlets. In fact, they only exist because of gullible bigots like yourself.

(6 guilty Priests last yr, Tom. Six)
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#459236 Jul 5, 2013
Tom wrote:
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Dust Storm says.......Catholic priests abuse at a rate far lower than that of other Missing and Exploited Children.
Michael says.......We don't know how many thousands of priests/bishops molested our children. They kept it all a secret, from the very followers who trusted them to always do the right thing.
Look at the """BIG" "" PICTURE!
http://www.awrsipe.com/patrick_wall/executive...
An organization that claims to be the advocates of MORALITY and JUSTICE, and yet the thousands of clergy who did not molest, looked the other way as more of our innocent children became prey to the ones who did molest.
Church leaders never dialed 9-1-1, it was always the victims and their families.
unbelievable!
Shame on them!
More fodder and conjecture. Show the facts not your word games. Show the independent studies. Quote any credible news organization who says its way worse in the Catholic Church. You can't Tommy Boy. No real Christian would listen to your garbage let alone anyone with intelligence. Long live your obsession. You need a new hobby and a life.
Clay

Garden City, MI

#459237 Jul 5, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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Do take notice Seraphima, that he still did not provide a source for his rhetoric...
That is all I need to say --isn't it?
Its the same link Dust used. I thought I explained that already.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#459238 Jul 5, 2013
Correction to Anthony...Hermi just corrected me on the word Orthodox being both singular and pural...so I must take that last statement back...

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#459239 Jul 5, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>Whatcha Talkin Bout Willis?..lol...I noticed...
Just wanted ta make the point sis...

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#459240 Jul 5, 2013
Clay wrote:
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I see your favorite subject has come up, so will come back on to discuss child sexual abuse!
You're the king of trash internet outlets. In fact, they only exist because of gullible bigots like yourself.
(6 guilty Priests last yr, Tom. Six)
whispers....and how many swept under the carpet?

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#459241 Jul 5, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Its the same link Dust used. I thought I explained that already.
Try a neutral site...

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#459242 Jul 5, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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Yes, I do. Sources(contemporary) other than church writings have indicated that he actually existed...so I must give credence to that end. I also believe that he was a "Nazar"...(radical).
See, that is what "education" and research can do for you June. You prefer to remain completely ignorant, so one can not have any rational discussion with you regarding anything that would require research or knowledge...you have neglected both.
You can give credence to any religious theory that pleases you, but your religious theories are still theories as are all religious theories.

Your insults are duly noted.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#459243 Jul 5, 2013
Clay wrote:
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I see your favorite subject has come up, so will come back on to discuss child sexual abuse!
You're the king of trash internet outlets. In fact, they only exist because of gullible bigots like yourself.
(6 guilty Priests last yr, Tom. Six)
In such an "impeccable organization.
Your deity should be so proud...
NOT!

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#459244 Jul 5, 2013
I don't believe that Jesus existed, but if I believed he had existed, I would believe he was a peace-promoting rabbi, faithful to Judaism.

Of course the whole of religion is fraught with inconsistencies and down-right lies.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#459245 Jul 5, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
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http://www.themediareport.com/fast-facts/ IT'S NOT ABOUT CATHOLIC PRIESTS
FACT: Catholic priests abuse at a rate far lower than that of other American male population, but Allen says a conservat
"If anyone believes that priests offend at a higher rate than teachers or non-celibate clergy, then they should produce the evidence on which they are basing that conclusion. I know of none. Saying 'everybody knows' does not constitute scientific methodology."
Dr. Philip Jenkins, Pennsylvania State University.
2THE GRAND CONSPIRACY THAT WASN'T
FACT: You would never know it from the media's lurid coverage, but the vast bulk of reported cases of abuse stem only from a historical anomaly, as most allegations occurred during only a small sliver of time during the Sexual Revolution from the 1960s to the early 1980s. And despite media suggestions of dark conspiracies and cover-ups, the Church like every other institution at the time simply followed the then-prevailing view of experts in the field that offenders could be successfully rehabilitated and sent accused priests off for treatment, rather than reporting them to police, which resulted in a temporary spike in recidivism.
Read more
Catholic Church Abuse Graph 1970-2009
From the 1950s through the 1970s, the Catholic Church, following the then-prevailing societal practice, sent suspected abusers to psychologists rather than calling the police.
In this respect, the Church was far from alone.
When the Church was sending accused priests to psychological treatment, "the criminal justice system was doing the very same thing with convicted offenders sending them to treatment instead of prison."
"From the 1950's to the 1980's, these treatment-based interventions for sexual criminals were not only enormously prevalent in the United States, but surveys of ordinary citizens showed that they were enormously popular
"[T]he science of human sexuality and sexual offending is extraordinarily young. Virtually all of the information we utilize today regarding the treatment and supervision of sexual offenders has been discovered since 1985."
Dr. Monica Applewhite, Ph.D.
Yet in almost every media account, the media has failed to provide this important historical context that the Church was following the then-reigning advice of experts in the field to send accused priests to treatment.
"No one would hold a brain surgeon to today's standard of care for professional decisions he made in 1970. Yet the decisions made in 1970 by Catholic bishops, who routinely consulted with mental health professionals about sick priests, are being judged by today's standards. Today, the confidence of the mental health community about the likelihood of curing sexual disorders is far less than it was in 1970."
L. Martin Nussbaum, "Changing the Rules" (America magazine, 2006)
Yet these 149 men represent only one-tenth of one percent of all priests who served in the Catholic Church in the United States between 1950 and 2002. Most accused priests (56%) have been the subject of only one allegation.
3THE REAL NEWS: CURRENT ACCUSATIONS AGAINST CATHOLIC PRIESTS ARE EXTREMELY RARE
What I personally do not understand ..And let me say growing up I had wonderful nuns and priests.

And abuse is all over.

But why in the name of all that is holy dud they NOT JUST SEND TBEM TO MONASTERIES..get them counselling ..great ...But the CC is perhaps the only organization that could have found PL a car,for them to repent ..do service...AND NOT HURT ANOTHER CHILD.

WHY move then to parishes. With kids??

That is what I do not understand.

Priests have a special relationship.with parishioners. Why give them another bite of the Apple so to speak..when it's CHIKDRENS LIVES ST STAKE..

If they had..the world would never have heard a thing..children would be safer and the CC REPRESENTING OUR LORD would not get spit on ..

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#459246 Jul 5, 2013
Clay wrote:
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I see your favorite subject has come up, so will come back on to discuss child sexual abuse!
It's not only about the child sex-abuse ... it's about the centuries of cover-ups by men who were entrusted to take care of children and failed to perform their duties.

You seem to sweep that issue under the carpet with all the other atrocities performed by those men in a god's name.

If you really worshipped a god, you would condemn the men who blasphemed the god's name ... but instead you defend them.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#459247 Jul 5, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
Correction to Anthony...Hermi just corrected me on the word Orthodox being both singular and pural...so I must take that last statement back...
No biggie. And you won't see any triumphalism coming from me as far as the Orthodox are concerned. Protestantism is another story.
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#459248 Jul 5, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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HIV is 4 times higher in your church structure than in the general public---FACT!
All the rhetorical excuses you wish to provocate is erroneous or outright lies.
SIMPLE AS THAT!
Your church is an infestation of sin, and should NOT be the teacher of anyone or anything in this society.
I am sure you will push the buttons to throw your church into even more PUBLIC scrutiny as I speak...you just don't even know when to shut up!
Carrion!
The topic is abuse. You lost. I answred the homosexual question. Your deflections doesnt change that.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#459249 Jul 5, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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In such an "impeccable organization.
Your deity should be so proud...
NOT!
If a deity exists it needs to carry all the shame for creating such a horrible mess that it knew beforehand would occur.

And I have no remorse for having such an opinion.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#459250 Jul 5, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
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What I personally do not understand ..And let me say growing up I had wonderful nuns and priests.
And abuse is all over.
But why in the name of all that is holy dud they NOT JUST SEND TBEM TO MONASTERIES..get them counselling ..great ...But the CC is perhaps the only organization that could have found PL a car,for them to repent ..do service...AND NOT HURT ANOTHER CHILD.
WHY move then to parishes. With kids??
That is what I do not understand.
Priests have a special relationship.with parishioners. Why give them another bite of the Apple so to speak..when it's CHIKDRENS LIVES ST STAKE..
If they had..the world would never have heard a thing..children would be safer and the CC REPRESENTING OUR LORD would not get spit on ..
They didn't just send them to another parish, they sent them to treatment (as was the prevailing course of action) and then reassigned them when the mental health professionals said they were "cured". It was a mistake.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#459251 Jul 5, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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Just wanted ta make the point sis...
okie dokie...lol
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#459252 Jul 5, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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It's not only about the child sex-abuse ... it's about the centuries of cover-ups by men who were entrusted to take care of children and failed to perform their duties.
You seem to sweep that issue under the carpet with all the other atrocities performed by those men in a god's name.
If you really worshipped a god, you would condemn the men who blasphemed the god's name ... but instead you defend them.
Not defending. They were treated in the manner recommended by the mental health community at the time. They should have gone to jail with the bishops, but you can't jump in a time machine.
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#459253 Jul 5, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
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What I personally do not understand ..And let me say growing up I had wonderful nuns and priests.
And abuse is all over.
But why in the name of all that is holy dud they NOT JUST SEND TBEM TO MONASTERIES..get them counselling ..great ...But the CC is perhaps the only organization that could have found PL a car,for them to repent ..do service...AND NOT HURT ANOTHER CHILD.
WHY move then to parishes. With kids??
That is what I do not understand.
Priests have a special relationship.with parishioners. Why give them another bite of the Apple so to speak..when it's CHIKDRENS LIVES ST STAKE..
If they had..the world would never have heard a thing..children would be safer and the CC REPRESENTING OUR LORD would not get spit on ..
The prevailing view was that they could be cured. Psychiatrists did say that they were ok and they had repented. Most were put in places where they would not be in contact with children. The church rotates priests to give parishes a broader spectrum not to just hide abusers. The church did view that just expelling them to go out and offend someone somewhere else was also not the answer. Do we have the answer for them anywhere today? No The best we can do is prevent them from being in a circle and they are being weeded out.

In school cases a principal who knew about a teacher will often say something like he told me he would never do it again and I believed him. It was in the 60s when kenzie and others were pushing it. There are still organizations like Nambla and others who push the sexual line and what constitutes a minor. In Islamic countries 6 years olds. Google ayatollah Khomeneni and what he wrote. Aisha was 6 years old when Mohummad took her and consumated at 9.

Yes some bad decisions were made and its all sad, but child abuse laws were not often in place in until the 70's. There were psychiatrists arguing that it did no harm to children. There is no excuse for it, but I dont think anyone really knew nor understood the scope of the problem. For those that are delighting in attacking the church there is plenty of coverups that have been exposed in protesttant, secular, Jewish or any other organization for that matter. How about everyone just acknowledge that there are predators and have standard policies everywhere. Good people do not act like many in here. Protestants began to move more quickly after the Church was hit. Many have praised the Church for its many reforms and have sought to emulate those reforms. The church has paid a heavy toll, but for some nothing short of closing down hospitals and schools and charity programs for lack of funds will do. No catholic wants their child to be abused. I just want a reality check for people. It is not a Catholic issue only. The church has meticulous records, a hiearchy and assets. That alone makes it a Target. It is a good thing though. If you had watched the Priest on ETWN in 2002 they let the bishops have it pretty good. Many were angry and upset. The bottom line is there is no excuse. The psychiatric community was wrong, bad decisions were made and people got hurt. Sin has a way of exposing itself better sooner than later. Not excusing it Rose, but there are many great priests and nuns who would never do such things and they cant be all lumped as they have been so often in here. There are protestant churches who cover it up or silently dismiss a preacher who goes down the street. Is that the answer? The SBC refused to have a data base of offendors. Is that the answer? I dont think its fair to attack any organization for the sins of men especially with something that is still blurry to the anwer. We are not condemning protestants to hell for having abusers but are challenging those who claim they dont exist in their church and do nothing but point fingers. 5 are pointing back.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#459254 Jul 5, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Not defending. They were treated in the manner recommended by the mental health community at the time. They should have gone to jail with the bishops, but you can't jump in a time machine.
The priests were moved from one parish to another where they were not given any therapy, but WERE given the chance to molest again and again.

It was all about the men of the hierarchy protecting the image of the church rather than the children, and that is what you are still doing today.

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