Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
Dan

Omaha, NE

#458471 Jul 2, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
Posted: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 7:12 am | Updated: 9:06 am, Tue Jul 2, 2013.
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The archbishop of Milwaukee wrote a letter in 2003 to the Vatican office overseeing clergy sex abuse cases begging it to remove a priest who had repeatedly abused children, showed no remorse and at least once engaged in sexual activity with a young boy, the child's mother and her female friend.
The archdiocese provided the priest with counseling and alcohol abuse treatment, limited his job assignments, eventually ordering him to stop dressing as a priest and barring him from seminary buildings. It only received more reports of abuse.
In 2003, nearly 40 years after some of the earliest reported abuse took place, New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan, who was then archbishop of Milwaukee, sought permission to have the priest, Daniel Budzynski, officially defrocked. Despite the egregiousness of the priest's crimes, the Vatican office in charge of sex abuse cases, then led by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the future Pope Benedict XVI, took more than a year to formally dismiss him.
The correspondence was made public Monday along with thousands of pages of other documents detailing sex abuse by dozens of priests in the archdiocese covering southeastern Wisconsin. The documents were released as part of a deal reached in federal bankruptcy court between the archdiocese and victims suing it for fraud. Victims have accused the archdiocese of transferring abusive priests to new churches without warning parishioners and covering up their crimes for decades.
The Budzynski case was among at least a half-dozen Dolan inherited when he took over the archdiocese in 2002 amid the growing clergy abuse scandal. It shows some of the difficulty church leaders had in dealing with serial molesters and a church bureaucracy that in many cases sat on pleas for priests' removal for years.
Is this posted as a show of Dolan's diligence, or an illustration of the shortcomings of bureaucracy, or what?

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#458472 Jul 2, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Any "serious BIBLE STUDENT" already ACCEPTS the authority of the Catholic Church the first time they open the book that the Church canonized.
QUESTION..

THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS NO AUTHORITY UPON THE EARTH...

JESUS DOES

Mat_28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All --->power<--- is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

POWER DEFINED IN GREEK

G1849
&#949;&#787;&#958; &#959;&#965;&#963; &#953;&#769;&#945;
exousia
ex-oo-see'-ah
From G1832 (in the sense of ability); privilege, that is,(subjectively) force, capacity, competency, freedom, or (objectively) mastery (concretely magistrate, superhuman, potentate, token of control), delegated influence:- authority, jurisdiction, liberty, power, right, strength.

THERE IS NO PLACE IN THE BIBLE WHERE HE DELEGATED HIS POWER TO ANY SPECIFIC RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION...

Since: Jun 13

Orlando, FL

#458473 Jul 2, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Private revelations do not form part of the deposit of faith of the Catholic Church, and its members are not bound to believe in any of them.
Another Catholic running from a simple question.

In the almost 100 years since Fatima, has the RCC ever called into question the authenticity of the message given by Mary, recorded by and later reported by the Church?

Never.

Now read the so-called "2nd secret" and tell us how Mary isn't a goddess.

As for your deposit of faith, you don't even know which teachings are considered "infallible from God" and which are not. There is no list, because the RCC doesn't want you to be too knowledgeable. Then it would all fall apart - like the Fatima "secrets."

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#458474 Jul 2, 2013
The Budzynski case was among at least a half-dozen Dolan inherited when he took over the archdiocese in 2002 amid the growing clergy abuse scandal. It shows some of the difficulty church leaders had in dealing with serial molesters and a church bureaucracy that in many cases sat on pleas for priests' removal for years.

While other church leaders, including Dolan's predecessor, Archbishop Rembert Weakland, have acknowledged they didn't immediately grasp the extent of the problem, Dolan appears to have quickly determined a crisis was in the making. He moved to push out problem priests, even paying them to leave the priesthood, and later acted to protect church assets by transferring $57 million from a cemetery fund into a trust as the archdiocese moved toward bankruptcy.

Victims have accused Dolan of caring more for the church's well-being than theirs, but his letters, such as the one to Ratzinger seeking to defrock Budzynski, show an understanding of the damage done to children.

"The impact on his various victims has been significant," Dolan wrote Ratzinger. "The Archdiocese of Milwaukee has yet to even locate all of the potential victims that could come forward for assistance. Our new found awareness of the severity of damage caused by sexual abuse at the hands of clergy makes it impossible for us to ignore this situation."

Budzynski referred questions to his attorney, Shawn Govern, who said he had no immediate comment.

Victims and their attorneys have accused Dolan of bankruptcy fraud, pointing to a June 2007 letter in which he told a Vatican office that moving the cemetery care money into a trust would provide "an improved protection of these funds from any legal claim and liability."

In a statement, Dolan called any suggestion he was trying to shield money from victims an "old and discredited" attack. Jerry Topczewski, chief of staff for current Archbishop Jerome Listecki, said the money was always set aside in a separate fund for cemetery care and moving it to a trust just formalized that.

Church law requires bishops to seek Vatican approval for any property sale or asset transfer in the millions of dollars. Dolan wrote in the letter that the transfer had been approved by archdiocese's Financial Council and College of Consultors.

The documents also show that Dolan oversaw a plan to pay some abusers to leave the priesthood. They included John O'Brien, who was convicted of fourth-degree sexual assault in 2000 in a case involving a 17-year-old. At least four other victims later came forward.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#458475 Jul 2, 2013
117
OldJG wrote:
<quoted text>
Strong #H1121 has man defines "sons" (as characterisation, i.e. sons of injustice [for un- righteous men] or sons of God [for angels]
There are many theories about the Nephilim. Here are a few to consider.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/aid/...
I see much on theories...but I see nothing about any Strong's Hebrew Lexicon numbers..

You said: The Nephilim were the offspring of sexual relationships between the sons of God and daughters of men in Genesis 6:1-4. The "sons of God" were fallen angels (demons) who mated with human females and/or possessed human males and then mated with human females. These unions resulted in offspring, the Nephilim, that were "heroes of old, men of renown" GIANTS!!! Do they exist today?

And to support the info that these sons were fallen angels (demons) you quoted Strong #H1121 (as characterisation, i.e. sons of injustice [for un- righteous men] or sons of God [for angels]

"Sons of injustice (for un-righteous men)" I do not see "fallen angels (demons)..what am I missing???

"or sons of God (for angels)" I do not see "fallen angels (demons)..what am I missing???

Re 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

However, there is no doubt that the Devil and his angels were fallen angels (demons)...when in time were they cast out of Heaven?????

Since: Jun 13

Orlando, FL

#458476 Jul 2, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I've read about Fatima quite a bit. Have you? I suggest you quit bearing false witness against the Church and try and learn some truth. I've never met one single radial fanatical who is interested in truth.
- The Catholic Church were the last peoples to acknowledge the Supernatural events at Fatima.
- the local Bishops at the time tried to silence the whole hoopla at the time- even detaining the children and asking their parents to 'shut them up'.
- The Miracle of the Sun was witnessed by 80,000 people. Many of them were scientist, atheist, Jews and Muslims. Not all were Catholic. The Catholic Church did not respond to the media requests, choosing instead to wait it all out.
- The so called secrets were not given to the Pope by Mary. They were given to fallible little children susceptible to 'outside influence' or outside 'spiritual influences' not from God.
-if God wants His Church to do something dogmatic or doctrinal, he'll go through the Pope, He won't go through three 10 yr old kids. It would be irresponsible to go that route.
- Therefore the secret messages were for Lucia, Jacinta and Francisco. They were private revelations to them. The world should view it with caution.
- I don't believe every Pope has visited Fatima. But so what if they did? God performed a spectacular event in the sky and precisely the time those children said He would.
-there has been countless miracles attributed to the intercession of the Blessed Mother at Fatima. Idiot like you want to say it was demons.
Heck, you're no different than the chief scribes and Pharisees who crucified the Lord - using the 'word of God' no less!
Satan will never give a simple answer.

Again --- Yes or No?

In the almost 100 years since Fatima, has the RCC ever called into question the authenticity of the message given by Mary, recorded by and later reported by the Church?

You say the kids may have been confused and misquoted Mary. Yet in 1930, the local Bishops proclaimed it all authentic.

When has the Vatican ever disagreed?

Benny Hinn must be jealous.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#458477 Jul 2, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
QUESTION..
THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS NO AUTHORITY UPON THE EARTH...
JESUS DOES
Mat_28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All --->power<--- is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
POWER DEFINED IN GREEK
G1849
&#949;&#787;&#958; &#959;&#965;&#963; &#953;&#769;&#945;
exousia
ex-oo-see'-ah
From G1832 (in the sense of ability); privilege, that is,(subjectively) force, capacity, competency, freedom, or (objectively) mastery (concretely magistrate, superhuman, potentate, token of control), delegated influence:- authority, jurisdiction, liberty, power, right, strength.
THERE IS NO PLACE IN THE BIBLE WHERE HE DELEGATED HIS POWER TO ANY SPECIFIC RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION...
You think they have authority.

You've opened a Bible to read the Divinely Inspired Word of God, and they declared the canon, so you accept their authority.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#458478 Jul 2, 2013
Jack Chick wrote:
<quoted text>
Another Catholic running from a simple question.
In the almost 100 years since Fatima, has the RCC ever called into question the authenticity of the message given by Mary, recorded by and later reported by the Church?
Never.
Now read the so-called "2nd secret" and tell us how Mary isn't a goddess.
As for your deposit of faith, you don't even know which teachings are considered "infallible from God" and which are not. There is no list, because the RCC doesn't want you to be too knowledgeable. Then it would all fall apart - like the Fatima "secrets."
Yeah, they did question it.

It took 13 years before any statement was made, and as late as 2010 they're still hashing it out.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#458479 Jul 2, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
QUESTION..
THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS NO AUTHORITY UPON THE EARTH...
JESUS DOES
Mat_28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All --->power<--- is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
POWER DEFINED IN GREEK
G1849
&#949;&#787;&#958; &#959;&#965;&#963; &#953;&#769;&#945;
exousia
ex-oo-see'-ah
From G1832 (in the sense of ability); privilege, that is,(subjectively) force, capacity, competency, freedom, or (objectively) mastery (concretely magistrate, superhuman, potentate, token of control), delegated influence:- authority, jurisdiction, liberty, power, right, strength.
THERE IS NO PLACE IN THE BIBLE WHERE HE DELEGATED HIS POWER TO ANY SPECIFIC RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION...
YOU ROMAN CATHOLICS CLAIM PETER HAS THE KEYS TO THE KINGDOM

AND YOU CLAIM YOU OWN PETER..

YOU MIGHT HAVE THE KEYS TO YOUR HOUSE BUT THE MORTGAGE COMPANY OWNS IT..

YOU DON'T MAKE THE PAYMENTS HE REPOSSESSES IT...

LON TIME AGO YOU GAVE UP ANY CLIM TO HEAVENS DOOR (if you ever had the keys...

You rented it out to paganism, fables conjecture lies and myths...and
just about ever ungodly sin that comes down the pyke...

You are the walking dead......

Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Rev 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#458480 Jul 2, 2013
Shameful:

Liberty Institute is representing Audrey Jarvis, 19, a liberal arts major at the northern California university.

On June 27, Jarvis was working for the university’s Associated Students Productions at a student orientation fair for incoming freshmen. During the event, her supervisor directed her to remove the cross necklace.

Sasser said the supervisor told her that the chancellor had a policy against wearing religious items and further explained “that she could not wear her cross necklace because it might offend others, it might make incoming students feel unwelcome, or it might cause incoming students to feel that ASP was not an organization they should join.”

“My initial reaction was one of complete shock,” Jarvis told Fox News.“I was thrown for a loop.”

Jarvis said she is a devout Catholic and she wears the cross as a symbol of her faith in Christ.

“I was offended because I believe as a Christian woman it is my prerogative to display my faith any way I like so long as it is not harming anyone else,” she said.“I was very hurt and felt as if the university’s mission statement – which includes tolerance and inclusivity to all – was violated.”

On a second encounter, her supervisor told her she should hide the cross under her shirt or remove it.

Sasser, who is representing the college student, said the university should apologize for their actions.

“It’s unfortunate there are university officials out there who think that it’s okay to tell Christians to hide their faith – but would cringe if somebody said the same thing about hiding someone’s pride in whatever political or cultural affiliation they may have,” he told Fox News.

He said the law is clear on the matter –“state employees may wear crosses while they are performing their duties as long as the wearing does not interfere with the employees’ duties or harm the employer’s business interests.”

University spokeswoman Susan Kashack confirmed to Fox News that the incident occurred and expressed extreme regret.

“Someone who works here was concerned that the cross might be off-putting to students who are coming to campus for the first time,” she said.

Kashack said the supervisor was “completely wrong.”

“It was absolutely an inappropriate action for him to make that request of her,” she said.

Kashack said Sonoma State President Ruben Arminana was “angered” by the incident and they are trying to contact Jarvis so they can apologize.

“The president was very upset about it and asked me to contact Miss Jarvis and give a profuse apology,” she said.

She said they have spoken with the employee involved in the incident but won’t reveal the contents of their discussion or whether he was punished.

“Things like this don’t happen here,” she said.“It’s very unusual. People here are very aware of discrimination. It’s possible that political correctness got out of hand.”

Audrey’s mother, Debbie, told Fox News she was devastated when she heard what happened to her daughter.

“She’s a strong Christian, a faith-filled young woman who spent her summers at Catholic camp,” Jarvis said.“She’s just full of the Lord.”

Audrey called her parents after she was told to remove the cross and Mrs. Jarvis recalled an emotional conversation.

“She doesn’t wear the cross as a fashion statement,” she said.“It’s a statement of her faith.”

As she tried to console her daughter, Jarvis reminded her that “we are still one nation under God.”

“And she told me,‘Mom, it doesn’t feel like that here,” Jarvis said.“Our faith was attacked. It’s unnerving. I know what’s going on in this country. I know Christianity is being attacked. Now, I know it first-hand and it sickens me and saddens me.”

Jarvis said it’s time for people of faith to take a stand.

“We need to band together as Christians and fight back,” she said.

LTM

Chelmsford, Canada

#458481 Jul 2, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you ever wonder why this supposed creator created Adam and Eve as adults, and yet thereafter babies were born absolutely helpless?
And being an all-knowing creator, it knew that those babies would often be abused and many of them finally murdered by the parents who should have been (by an all-benevolent designer) to be loving care-givers.
If a creator exists, it's a cruel maniac in thought and deed!
And you wonder why the world is like it is June, Its people like you with your ugly out look on life.
You read books by people who make claims to the way you think about God, religion , and people in general.
You believe everything they say, and the negativity has rubbed off on you.
What goes into a person is what will come out.
You keep eating from the bottom of a garbage can, you become what you consume.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#458482 Jul 2, 2013
Dan: You think they have authority.
You've opened a Bible to read the Divinely Inspired Word of God, and they declared the canon, so you accept their authority.

**********

The Catholics claim some questionable things by anyone's 'measure'.
Matthew, Mark, Luke, Peter, John and Paul were NOT Catholic.
While SOME Catholics may have been involved in putting those inspired writings into a single book, it gives them no credit for having produced it.

In fact, were it possible, the CC would burn that Book today. The scorn it receives on here is shameful.

KayMarie
Clay

United States

#458483 Jul 2, 2013
Jack Chick wrote:
<quoted text>
Satan will never give a simple answer.
Again --- Yes or No?
In the almost 100 years since Fatima, has the RCC ever called into question the authenticity of the message given by Mary, recorded by and later reported by the Church?
You say the kids may have been confused and misquoted Mary. Yet in 1930, the local Bishops proclaimed it all authentic.
When has the Vatican ever disagreed?
Benny Hinn must be jealous.
Ok Jac, one more time- and I hope you listen..

The Catholic Church has claimed the events of Fatima (Miracle of the Sun, Marian apparitions, the countless healings) as worthy of belief. In other words: The Church has declared that its ok for Catholics to believe them or not to believe them. The messages are not to be considered official Church teachings. They were revealed to three little kids. That's called a PRIVATE revelation.
The messages at Fatima were given to three fallible Children. Period.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#458484 Jul 2, 2013
who="confrinting with the word" Shameful:
Liberty Institute is representing Audrey Jarvis, 19, a liberal arts major at the northern California university.
On June 27, Jarvis was working for the university’s Associated Students Productions at a student orientation fair for incoming freshmen. During the event, her supervisor directed her to remove the cross necklace.
Sasser said the supervisor told her that the chancellor had a policy against wearing religious items and further explained “that she could not wear her cross necklace because it might offend others, it might make incoming students feel unwelcome, or it might cause incoming students to feel that ASP was not an organization they should join.”
“My initial reaction was one of complete shock,” Jarvis told Fox News.“I was thrown for a loop.”
Jarvis said she is a devout Catholic and she wears the cross as a symbol of her faith in Christ.
“I was offended because I believe as a Christian woman it is my prerogative to display my faith any way I like so long as it is not harming anyone else,” she said.“I was very hurt and felt as if the university’s mission statement – which includes tolerance and inclusivity to all – was violated.”
On a second encounter, her supervisor told her she should hide the cross under her shirt or remove it.
Sasser, who is representing the college student, said the university should apologize for their actions.
“It’s unfortunate there are university officials out there who think that it’s okay to tell Christians to hide their faith – but would cringe if somebody said the same thing about hiding someone’s pride in whatever political or cultural affiliation they may have,” he told Fox News.
He said the law is clear on the matter –“state employees may wear crosses while they are performing their duties as long as the wearing does not interfere with the employees’ duties or harm the employer’s business interests.”
University spokeswoman Susan Kashack confirmed to Fox News that the incident occurred and expressed extreme regret.
“Someone who works here was concerned that the cross might be off-putting to students who are coming to campus for the first time,” she said.
Kashack said the supervisor was “completely wrong.”
“It was absolutely an inappropriate action for him to make that request of her,” she said.
Kashack said Sonoma State President Ruben Arminana was “angered” by the incident and they are trying to contact Jarvis so they can apologize.
“The president was very upset about it and asked me to contact Miss Jarvis and give a profuse apology,” she said.
She said they have spoken with the employee involved in the incident but won’t reveal the contents of their discussion or whether he was punished.
“Things like this don’t happen here,” she said.“It’s very unusual. People here are very aware of discrimination. It’s possible that political correctness got out of hand.”
Audrey’s mother, Debbie, told Fox News she was devastated when she heard what happened to her daughter.
“She’s a strong Christian, a faith-filled young woman who spent her summers at Catholic camp,” Jarvis said.“She’s just full of the Lord.”
Audrey called her parents after she was told to remove the cross and Mrs. Jarvis recalled an emotional conversation.
“She doesn’t wear the cross as a fashion statement,” she said.“It’s a statement of her faith.”
As she tried to console her daughter, Jarvis reminded her that “we are still one nation under God.”
“And she told me,‘Mom, it doesn’t feel like that here,” Jarvis said.“Our faith was attacked. It’s unnerving. I know what’s going on in this country. I know Christianity is being attacked. Now, I know it first-hand and it sickens me and saddens me.”
Jarvis said it’s time for people of faith to take a stand.
“We need to band together as Christians and fight back,” she said.

**********
Please note that a PROTESTANT legal group is standing up for the rights of a Catholic. They are not the bad guys the CC declares.

KayMarie
LTM

Chelmsford, Canada

#458485 Jul 2, 2013
A Flying Miracle

July 2, 2013 — by Dave Branon


Our Daily Bread Radio is hosted by Les Lamborn


Read: Psalm 104:10-24

O Lord, how manifold are Your works! In wisdom You have made them all. The earth is full of Your possessions.—Psalm 104:24

Bible in a Year:
Job 22-24; Acts 11

Among God’s creatures, the butterfly is one of the most stunningly beautiful! Its gentle flight, colorful wings, and amazing migratory patterns are traits that make the butterfly a masterpiece of the natural world.

This flying insect, while supplying us with visual enjoyment, also supplies us with amazing examples of the marvels of God’s creative work.

For instance, the majestic monarch butterfly can travel 3,000 miles on its migration to Central America—only to end up at the same tree its parents or even grandparents landed on a generation or two earlier. It does this guided by a brain the size of a pinhead.

Or consider the monarch’s metamorphosis. After the caterpillar builds a chrysalis around itself, it releases a chemical that turns its insides to mush—no perceptible parts. Somehow from this emerges the brain, internal parts, head, legs, and wings of a butterfly.

One butterfly expert said,“The creation of the body of a caterpillar into the body and wings of a butterfly is, without doubt, one of the wonders of life on earth.” Another expert feels that this metamorphosis is “rightly regarded as a miracle.”

“How manifold are [God’s] works!”(Ps. 104:24)—and the butterfly is but one of them.
We stand amazed, God, at the awesome creation You
allow us to enjoy. From distant galaxies to beautiful
butterflies, You have given us a world that speaks loudly
of Your love for us. Thank You, Lord, for creation.

Creation’s design points to the Master Designer.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#458486 Jul 2, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
God is the beginning and the end, the Alpha and Omega, there is no Queen of Heaven. The Bible does not speak of a Queen in Heaven.
It does however speak of the Messiah Savior of the world; it also speaks of the Holy Spirit, The Comforter, Elohim Adonai are masculine names of God . and they are plural ,
That does not mean there are 3 Gods there is one God ,it speak of the Trinity. which means "Lord God"
El Shaddai (&#1513;&#1463;&#1 473;&#1491;&#1463; &#1468;&#1497;) is the name by which God was known to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The name Shaddai is again used as a name of God later in the Book of Job. It means God Almighty ; Shaddai means destroyer.
In my bible class we studied the Hebrew names for God accordingly to His works , In great detail, Jehovah Jireh - God our Provider .
The Bible has no name for a Queen of Heaven and if it is in the Bible please give me the Scripture and the Hebrew name , so I know what I am looking for.
You would need to look in far older areas of civilization than your "new" teaching of the bible. Your book is merely a reconstruction of an ancient account of history and beliefs...and even they were/are reconstructions stemming from even earlier accounts...all of which were aligned to the agenda's of those particular societies as dictated by the ruling "elite". All we have left that is even discernible, is from 4-6,000 years BCE. Archaeology tells us that civilization is millions of years older than that.
Your bible has been proven to be absolutely unreliable in even the latest of "ages".
LTM

Chelmsford, Canada

#458487 Jul 2, 2013
The Conditions of Discipleship

07

02

2013


If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also .... And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me .... So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple —Luke 14:26-27, 33

If the closest relationships of a disciple’s life conflict with the claims of Jesus Christ, then our Lord requires instant obedience to Himself. Discipleship means personal, passionate devotion to a Person— our Lord Jesus Christ. There is a vast difference between devotion to a person and devotion to principles or to a cause. Our Lord never proclaimed a cause— He proclaimed personal devotion to Himself. To be a disciple is to be a devoted bondservant motivated by love for the Lord Jesus. Many of us who call ourselves Christians are not truly devoted to Jesus Christ. No one on earth has this passionate love for the Lord Jesus unless the Holy Spirit has given it to him. We may admire, respect, and revere Him, but we cannot love Him on our own. The only One who truly loves the Lord Jesus is the Holy Spirit, and it is He who has “poured out in our hearts” the very “love of God”(Romans 5:5). Whenever the Holy Spirit sees an opportunity to glorify Jesus through you, He will take your entire being and set you ablaze with glowing devotion to Jesus Christ.

The Christian life is a life characterized by true and spontaneous creativity. Consequently, a disciple is subject to the same charge that was leveled against Jesus Christ, namely, the charge of inconsistency. But Jesus Christ was always consistent in His relationship to God, and a Christian must be consistent in his relationship to the life of the Son of God in him, not consistent to strict, unyielding doctrines. People pour themselves into their own doctrines, and God has to blast them out of their preconceived ideas before they can become devoted to Jesus Christ.
LTM

Chelmsford, Canada

#458488 Jul 2, 2013
Wisdom from Oswald Chambers

It is perilously possible to make our conceptions of God like molten lead poured into a specially designed mould, and when it is cold and hard we fling it at the heads of the religious people who don’t agree with us.
Disciples Indeed

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#458489 Jul 2, 2013
LTM wrote:
The Hebrew Names of God
1. Elohim "God our Creator"
Elohim is the name that introduces God in Genesis 1:1. The word can be divided into two parts. The first part, El, means God and is connected to His might, power, majesty, glory, and authority. Ohim speaks of plurality, so we can clearly see in this first scripture God is introduced as the mighty Trinity. The name Elohim is always connected to God's acts. The angels know Him by this name.
2. Jehovah "Our Eternal God"
Jehovah is the name of relationship and covenant. God introduced Himself to Adam as "Lord God" in Genesis 2. "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground." (Genesis 2:7). Jehovah is connected to the creation of man, to the making of a covenant, and to the atonement. It is Jehovah who reveals Elohim. God is always worshipped as Jehovah--and one cannot worship Him without a relationship through a covenant.
3. Jehovah El Shaddai "God our Supplier"
The name El Shaddai means the God of might, nourishment, bounty, and blessings. God revealed Himself to Abraham as El Shaddai when He promised him a son. Abraham was ninety-nine years old when El Shaddai "The Almighty God" made a covenant with him to "multiply thee exceedingly" (Genesis 17:1-2).
4. Adonai "Master, Lord"
Adonai was spoken by Abraham in Genesis 18:3 when God came and told Abraham what He was about to do to Sodom and Gommorah, and Abraham became the great intercessor. This shows us that the name Adonai is connected to God's ownership and Lordship over our lives, and to revelation of the future and intercession.
5. Jehovah-Jireh "God my Provider"
This name was revealed in Genesis 22:14 when Abraham was about to offer up Isaac and the Lord stopped him and provided a lamb (ram)...the substitute for Isaac. This powerful story reveals Jesus and the work of the cross. The name Jehovah-Jireh speaks of the Lord God providing His Son for our redemption and being our provider for all that we need.
6. Jehovah-Rapha "God my Healer"
Exodus 15:22-26, when the children of Israel came to Marah in the wilderness and could not drink the water because it was bitter, discloses the name Jehovah-Rapha. The Lord made a covenant of healing with His people and said that if they would keep all His commandments, He would be their health and healer continually. "...for I am the Lord that healeth Thee." (Exodus 15:26).
7. Jehovah-Nissi "God my Banner"
This name was made known when Moses lifted up the rod of victory, in prayer, for an entire day as a battle with the Amalekites was fought (Exodus 17:15). The Hebrew word Nissi means my banner, or my covering, my protection and, also, my victory.
cont
http://www.hebrew4christians.c om/Names_of_G-d/El/el.html
ReginaM

Toms River, NJ

#458490 Jul 2, 2013
Jack Chick wrote:
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Another Catholic running from a simple question.
In the almost 100 years since Fatima, has the RCC ever called into question the authenticity of the message given by Mary, recorded by and later reported by the Church?
Never.
Now read the so-called "2nd secret" and tell us how Mary isn't a goddess.
As for your deposit of faith, you don't even know which teachings are considered "infallible from God" and which are not. There is no list, because the RCC doesn't want you to be too knowledgeable. Then it would all fall apart - like the Fatima "secrets."
A "list of infallible teachings"? RAD, Free Mind, or whatever, I'm sure Father Dye cleared that up for you several months ago. Why do you insist on bringing it up over and over again? You were also advised at that time that Fatima was private revelation, and again today. You're like a dog with a bone.

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