Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

Full story: CBC News

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

Comments (Page 22,076)

Showing posts 441,501 - 441,520 of512,290
|
Go to last page| Jump to page:

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#457498
Jun 29, 2013
 
First horses arose 4 million years ago

The oldest full genome sequence, recovered from ancient horse bone, pushes back equine origins by 2 million years.

http://www.nature.com/news/first-horses-arose...
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#457499
Jun 29, 2013
 
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
Anthony lied...his words: He uses the Greek word "to gnaw, to chew meat" His flesh.
The truth is: trogo: probably strengthened from a collateral form of the base of 5134 and 5147 through the idea of corrosion or wear; or perhaps rather of a base of 5167 and 5149 through the idea of a craunching sound; to gnaw or chew, i.e.(generally) to eat:--eat.
"Eat" is a definition of "trogo". The Greek word for "eat" is "phago", and it means to eat (literally or figuratively):--eat, meat. Catholics read the definitions in the literal sense...which makes them cannibals.
John 6:51-52- then Jesus says that the bread He is referring to is His flesh. The Jews take Him literally and immediately question such a teaching. How can this man give us His flesh to eat?

John 6:53 - 58 - Jesus does not correct their literal interpretation. Instead, Jesus eliminates any metaphorical interpretations by swearing an oath and being even more literal about eating His flesh. In fact, Jesus says four times we must eat His flesh and drink His blood. Catholics thus believe that Jesus makes present His body and blood in the sacrifice of the Mass. Protestants, if they are not going to become Catholic, can only argue that Jesus was somehow speaking symbolically.

John 6:23-53 - however, a symbolic interpretation is not plausible. Throughout these verses, the Greek text uses the word "phago" nine times. "Phago" literally means "to eat" or "physically consume." Like the Protestants of our day, the disciples take issue with Jesus' literal usage of "eat." So Jesus does what?

John 6:54, 56, 57, 58 - He uses an even more literal verb, translated as "trogo," which means to gnaw or chew or crunch. He increases the literalness and drives his message home. Jesus will literally give us His flesh and blood to eat. The word “trogo” is only used two other times in the New Testament (in Matt. 24:38 and John 13:18) and it always means to literally gnaw or chew meat. While “phago” might also have a spiritual application, "trogo" is never used metaphorically in Greek. So Protestants cannot find one verse in Scripture where "trogo" is used symbolically, and yet this must be their argument if they are going to deny the Catholic understanding of Jesus' words. Moreover, the Jews already knew Jesus was speaking literally even before Jesus used the word “trogo” when they said “How can this man give us His flesh to eat?”(John 6:52).

John 6:55 - to clarify further, Jesus says "For My Flesh is food indeed, and My Blood is drink indeed." This phrase can only be understood as being responsive to those who do not believe that Jesus' flesh is food indeed, and His blood is drink indeed. Further, Jesus uses the word which is translated as "sarx." "Sarx" means flesh (not "soma" which means body). See, for example, John 1:13,14; 3:6; 8:15; 17:2; Matt. 16:17; 19:5; 24:22; 26:41; Mark 10:8; 13:20; 14:38; and Luke 3:6; 24:39 which provides other examples in Scripture where "sarx" means flesh. It is always literal.

John 6:55 - further, the phrases "real" food and "real" drink use the word "alethes." "Alethes" means "really" or "truly," and would only be used if there were doubts concerning the reality of Jesus' flesh and blood as being food and drink. Thus, Jesus is emphasizing the miracle of His body and blood being actual food and drink.

John 6:60 - as are many anti-Catholics today, Jesus' disciples are scandalized by these words. They even ask, "Who can 'listen' to it (much less understand it)?" To the unillumined mind, it seems grotesque.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#457500
Jun 29, 2013
 
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Eastern Europeans are not demanding Communist regimes to return at the helm either.Although Communists are alive and well in all countries,we do not see governments and peoples grasping to embrace their ideology.Com munists have to take over countries by stealth.Perhaps some socialistic practices are unifying and a help to the poor,for the most part Socialism is total government control of its society,not a big plus in most cases.
I agree with you about religion being a thorn in the flesh of societies over the centuries,but I know for a fact that human nature,and SELF promotion fuels the engine of political strife in religious entities,both world-wide,and for the PAST historical record.Greed and avarice reigned in the lives of many religious leaders,no matter what the particular persuasion.It is human endeavor that is either affected by relgion or not,but the fact remains people will always do what they want whether God enters the picture or not.
Human failings enter every picture,every bias,every ideology.But in religious circles we are constantly reminded of our human quirks and are called upon to deal with them when they surface.Those that allow their infractions to overcome,usually fall apart,and good intentions falter,divisions occur.It is historical that Christianity especially has grown in spite of its failings,and today we have multitudes of social endeavors that help the poor,the bereaved,those who are victims of disasters,and so on.Most world calamities involving earth-quakes and other horrific events,see the aid of Christian organizations before anyone else responds,and that is a fact.I shudder to think what would happen if suddenly all Christian and Jewish relief organizations disappeared.
Agreed. I know the Greek rthodox Church in Greece makes it difficult for other Churches to be established and you had posted me about the Orthodox in Russia.I will not defend, minimize or doublespeak my way around this. Either it is of God or it is of the World.Period,
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#457501
Jun 29, 2013
 
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus never said that Catholics are to be cannibals....Catholics erroneously say He did....and they practice cannibalism...religiously...
Obviously you put more faith in your SBC preacher than in Jesus.

John 6:60 - as are many anti-Catholics today, Jesus' disciples are scandalized by these words. They even ask, "Who can 'listen' to it (much less understand it)?" To the unillumined mind, it seems grotesque.

John 6:61-63 - Jesus acknowledges their disgust. Jesus' use of the phrase "the spirit gives life" means the disciples need supernatural faith, not logic, to understand His words.

John 3:6 - Jesus often used the comparison of "spirit versus flesh" to teach about the necessity of possessing supernatural faith versus a natural understanding. In Mark 14:38 Jesus also uses the "spirit/flesh" comparison. The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. We must go beyond the natural to understand the supernatural. In 1 Cor. 2:14,3:3; Rom 8:5; and Gal. 5:17, Paul also uses the "spirit/flesh" comparison to teach that unspiritual people are not receiving the gift of faith. They are still "in the flesh."

John 6:63 - Protestants often argue that Jesus' use of the phrase "the spirit gives life" shows that Jesus was only speaking symbolically. However, Protestants must explain why there is not one place in Scripture where "spirit" means "symbolic." As we have seen, the use of "spirit" relates to supernatural faith. What words are spirit and life? The words that we must eat Jesus' flesh and drink His blood, or we have no life in us.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#457502
Jun 29, 2013
 
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
You should not have attack them to start with...
All preachers in all religions must believe that the creator "thinks" exactly the way they think???

If that were not so, they wouldn't preach about what the supposed creator EXPECTS others to believe.

And THAT is the truth.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#457503
Jun 29, 2013
 
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote: Slander? Instead I should let you ridicule us and be silent.When anyone does not let you do this with impunity, then you are "alandered". Doesnt work any more.As far as posting to me,Im cool with Anthony, Clay and Hojo, even though Clay and Hojo go back and forth with my wife and sometimes me. First of all she can take care of herself. Secondly they pose an argument, not a twisted post of misquotes, lies, insults and abuse- you and DustStorms particular forte.Hope you make the cover of Catholic Today, which appears to be your goal.
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Look, I said I wasn't going to argue with you and I'm not. If you were honest you would look to when and where this all started.....Seraphima's post that the Church was an abortion and the Bride of Frankenstein.
You both expected *us* to be silent, to let her say what she will without impunity. You have to defend her, she's your wife. I don't expect anything less from you. None of us does.
That's about the size of it.
Seraphima, thank you for the truth. The Roman Catholic church IS an abortion and the Bride of Frankenstein. Well said. As you have experienced, the truth about the Roman Catholic church stirs up hatred towards anyone who disagrees with their theology from hell.
Human Being

Kinder, LA

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#457504
Jun 29, 2013
 
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Glad you found them interesting. Father Barron is excellent!
He puts the "religion" naysayers in their proper place. Only those who have no understanding decry it. Christianity is not, nor ever was, Jesus, the Bible, and me. Never.
ReginaM:

More like Christianity is God, you and me, made possible by Jesus.

Sure we can find the zealous on both sides of the Catholic/Protestant issue.

But I think in general, the Christian message has been marginalized by society. This marginalizing is what keeps sola scriptura alive. And in a sense, that is a good thing, because it is a "mindset" people can come together in common cause for Christianity.(It is kind of like two halves of the human brain.)

Recognizing the differences in a view on Christianity, does not hinder living out a Christian life, unless one maintains an "exclusive" attitude(which is counter to being catholic(universal) in the first place).
OldJG

Rockford, IL

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#457505
Jun 29, 2013
 
Seraphima wrote:
Gotta run. getting the house ready for a visit from my sister whom I haven't seen in 15 years! I am sooooo excited!!!!!
Have a blast.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#457506
Jun 29, 2013
 
June VanDerMark wrote:
Vatican Accountant Accused of Smuggling $26 Million in Private Jet With Ex-Italian Spy
http://abcnews.go.com/News/vatican-accountant...
=======

I have heard of James the son of Zebedee. James the son of Alpheus James("James the Just")and James the father of Judas (not Judas Iscariot)in the Bible. I never heard of James Bond.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#457507
Jun 29, 2013
 
Oxbow wrote:
072 Anthony MN wrote: We've been receiving the chalice in every mass, weekday and Sunday for a number of years in my parish.
----
If the Catholics base their practice of eating what they say is the actual body of Christ, and drinking the what they say is the actual blood of Christ...why did it take them that long to "get it right"...
Did not Christ say "eat my body AND drink my blood????
When I were a Catholic...the congregation only got the "body"...why were they not also given the "blood"????
I don't know a single Catholic who has never received the blood of Christ.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#457508
Jun 29, 2013
 
Why, other than from a sense of "entitlement" would you believe that YOUR religion was based on truth, and other people's religions are based on lies.

WHY???

Do you believe you are THAT special that you are awarded the only path that leads to eternal bliss???

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#457509
Jun 29, 2013
 
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
All preachers in all religions must believe that the creator "thinks" exactly the way they think???
If that were not so, they wouldn't preach about what the supposed creator EXPECTS others to believe.
And THAT is the truth.
Oh yeah!!!! Well remember yhe oldest full genome sequence, recovered from ancient horse bone, pushes back equine origins by 2 million years.Well I got a picture of you ridinh that horse you old coot. LOL
Human Being

Kinder, LA

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#457510
Jun 29, 2013
 
Atheist Silurist wrote:
<quoted text>
"It depends on what you mean by "heard"
I mean people who have no knowledge of jesus,the bible or TV evangelists,nothing. You may think that they are few and far between,but the fact is there are millions of them. If the belief in jesus is a matter of life and eternal life you would think an all powerful god would have a better method of getting his word across. Maybe he should hire a PR guru.
Atheist Silurist:

You might think so!

Life eternal is more a matter of justice. And we sense justice, in our conscience. So the message is getting out there.

In modern times we have a lot of clutter and static getting in the way of the message which distracts us from justice.(Justice is not so much what I get, but in the mindset of what I give to others. You know, "Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you.")

And as far as Christian understanding(I speak for myself here), our justice, is one of the basis upon which God judges us now, and in eternity....So those practicing true justice, but not physically hearing the message of Jesus, are ripe for eternal life.
Pad

Rockford, IL

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#457511
Jun 29, 2013
 
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Dan -- Robert is NOT an atheist. The posts you've been reading were from years ago and were dredged up out of spite.
A grave injustice has been done to Robert.
How many others like yourself will MIS-read those old posts and come to a false conclusion as you have about Robert?
To her credit, June has apologized and set the record straight. The other who is attempting to demean Robert will likely continue in his evil. As you said, Robert is a kind and intelligent person (no matter what his beliefs), so it's not surprising that satan in his jealousy is attacking him.
What a relief Regina! I am so glad you shared that with me.Robert f is such a n asset to what we see concerning a person's personal journey,he has a good testimony.I did'nt know he was an atheist,but I did speak much to him when he was entertaining Islam. Everyone has a journey and when we find that Christ is real and All He said He was and IS,we still may be on a journey,but no longer alone to flounder and wonder what is the real truth about life.We are not all here to just wallow in self pursuit,and to fulfill only our own ambitions.It is too obvious that only a small percentage of human beings acquire vast wealth,and power,but most of us are bound to a life of struggle.We do not need an opiate,but God is the only one who can truly define us.Thanks again Regiona!

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#457512
Jun 29, 2013
 
I don't believe that any religion can guarantee I will be rewarded with eternal bliss in an afterlife ... so it's nothing personal when I won't join your specific cult.

I don't believe that those in any religion can know the future ... so it's nothing personal when I don't believe that your cult knows the future.

I do understand however that you take every remark that doesn't agree with your religious beliefs personally, because you are certain that I have offended your god.

Well, when you stop offending other people's supposed gods, I will stop offending yours ... and if and when THAT miracle occurs, there will be total silence on all religious FRONTS.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#457513
Jun 29, 2013
 
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>Oh yeah!!!! Well remember yhe oldest full genome sequence, recovered from ancient horse bone, pushes back equine origins by 2 million years.Well I got a picture of you ridinh that horse you old coot. LOL
Well I might have been that horse in one of my earliest reincarnations. Maybe that is why I am fond of the odor of hay.

:)
Human Being

Kinder, LA

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#457514
Jun 29, 2013
 
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> The first two tenets of Jesus is all one needs practice. All the ritual and cherrypicking for designs of defamation and self aggrandizement is indeed insane....anyone practicing such behavior is directly contrary to the teachings of Jesus, and will hear that infamous line when their judgement is made. It only proves to me that they do not even believe what they preach...in fact, I have to wonder if they don't eat their own kin.
I think you may be one of the few who understands that.
I stand by my statement.
Black Thunder 42:

I do understand and agree.

Relying on one's indoctrination, more or less limits one. It is good as a reference point in one's life, to see if one chooses to grow toward loving God and fellow man, and helps in assessing one's motivation.

The problem comes when identifying oneself exclusively within one culture and applying it to all others in a judgmental fashion. Most often, I have learned to find things in common first. And defer by etiquette to understand others viewpoint secondly. It is best to give respect in order to receive respect. It begins a process of understanding.
ReginaM

Toms River, NJ

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#457515
Jun 29, 2013
 
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
ReginaM:
More like Christianity is God, you and me, made possible by Jesus.
Sure we can find the zealous on both sides of the Catholic/Protestant issue.
But I think in general, the Christian message has been marginalized by society. This marginalizing is what keeps sola scriptura alive. And in a sense, that is a good thing, because it is a "mindset" people can come together in common cause for Christianity.(It is kind of like two halves of the human brain.)
Recognizing the differences in a view on Christianity, does not hinder living out a Christian life, unless one maintains an "exclusive" attitude(which is counter to being catholic(universal) in the first place).
It depends on what you mean by "exclusive" and "universal". Do you think the Apostles were exclusivists? The Early Fathers who fought and sometimes died defending against heresy and protestors?

If Christ ever taught that it's all good, believe what you want as long as you play I'm okay, you're okay, I must have missed it. That's relativism. Speaking out against it was never popular and probably never more reviled than right this minute. But then look at who is doing the reviling...the "I'm okay, you're okay, and anybody who doesn't agree is a big meanie liar" crowd. I'll stick with the Apostles. They can have each other.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#457516
Jun 29, 2013
 
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>What a relief Regina! I am so glad you shared that with me.Robert f is such a n asset to what we see concerning a person's personal journey,he has a good testimony.I did'nt know he was an atheist,but I did speak much to him when he was entertaining Islam. Everyone has a journey and when we find that Christ is real and All He said He was and IS,we still may be on a journey,but no longer alone to flounder and wonder what is the real truth about life.We are not all here to just wallow in self pursuit,and to fulfill only our own ambitions.It is too obvious that only a small percentage of human beings acquire vast wealth,and power,but most of us are bound to a life of struggle.We do not need an opiate,but God is the only one who can truly define us.Thanks again Regiona!
PAD, I certainly DID NOT change his post and YOU read his words .

judge him by what he said not what one of the biggest liars on this forum said. SHAME ON YOU>!!

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#457517
Jun 29, 2013
 
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>=======
I have heard of James the son of Zebedee. James the son of Alpheus James("James the Just")and James the father of Judas (not Judas Iscariot)in the Bible. I never heard of James Bond.
Have you ever heard of James the pickle-eater??? That was big news back in the hills when I was young around a hundred and fifty years ago.

:)

Tell me when this thread is updated: (Registration is not required)

Add to my Tracker Send me an email

Showing posts 441,501 - 441,520 of512,290
|
Go to last page| Jump to page:
Type in your comments below
Name
(appears on your post)
Comments
Characters left: 4000
Type the numbers you see in the image on the right:

Please note by clicking on "Post Comment" you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

•••
•••
•••
•••
•••