Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.
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Gotta run. getting the house ready for a visit from my sister whom I haven't seen in 15 years! I am sooooo excited!!!!!
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Atheist Silurist wrote:
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"Christianity does not teach Muslims will burn in hell."
Obviously not, islam didn't exist when the bible was written,but don't pretend you've never heard a christian say that muslims,or any other group of religiots that don't swallow the same trash as they do,will burn in hell.
I've been told by countless religiots that I will burn in hell,but that's okay,what ever turns them on.
Atheist Silurist:

But Mohammed knew about Christianity(so-called Christianity) from a gnostic heretical sect of Christianity in Syria. It is there, that he incorporated the idea of a heresy into the Quran, which he wrote.

Lol... And I have been told by by anti-religious atheists that I will not go to heaven! I'm okay with what they want to think. I try and give them the respect they deserve.

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For those interested here is a video of a hospital technician getting my new organ the last time I was in the hospital:

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sa_48:22 There is no peace, saith the LORD, unto the wicked.
Isa_57:21 There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked.
You believe that I am wicked because I don't believe as you believe.

Are YOU wicked because you don't believe as a Muslim, or a Hindu, or a Buddhist believes?

Do you believe that your supposed god thinks that same way you think???
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oneear69 wrote:
<quoted text>I don't think we have to look far to see the social and environmental destruction, religion and capitalism has done to the life on this planet.Both are redundant in the 21 st century,
Eastern Europeans are not demanding Communist regimes to return at the helm either.Although Communists are alive and well in all countries,we do not see governments and peoples grasping to embrace their ideology.Com munists have to take over countries by stealth.Perhaps some socialistic practices are unifying and a help to the poor,for the most part Socialism is total government control of its society,not a big plus in most cases.

I agree with you about religion being a thorn in the flesh of societies over the centuries,but I know for a fact that human nature,and SELF promotion fuels the engine of political strife in religious entities,both world-wide,and for the PAST historical record.Greed and avarice reigned in the lives of many religious leaders,no matter what the particular persuasion.It is human endeavor that is either affected by relgion or not,but the fact remains people will always do what they want whether God enters the picture or not.

Human failings enter every picture,every bias,every ideology.But in religious circles we are constantly reminded of our human quirks and are called upon to deal with them when they surface.Those that allow their infractions to overcome,usually fall apart,and good intentions falter,divisions occur.It is historical that Christianity especially has grown in spite of its failings,and today we have multitudes of social endeavors that help the poor,the bereaved,those who are victims of disasters,and so on.Most world calamities involving earth-quakes and other horrific events,see the aid of Christian organizations before anyone else responds,and that is a fact.I shudder to think what would happen if suddenly all Christian and Jewish relief organizations disappeared.
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Jun 29, 2013
 
ReginaM wrote:
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That's a good point, never thought of it that way. My home parish is large, most of the parishes around here are, so communion would take quite a while without the ministry, but I've never been a big fan of receiving from them. I can see the need for them to take the Eucharist to hospital patients, nursing homes, the home bound, etc., but I think the priests have gotten a little lazy over the years.
You're right about the training/order. The only time I've ever noticed a problem is around the holidays, but even that's rare. There was someone who used to post here who was an EM. She came from a very tiny parish and some of the things she told me sounded kind of 'off'. I think too much was left in the hands of the laity in that case.
There are some who can't abide dogma; they make it sound like a dirty word. But the early Church died for that dogma. Without it there would be chaos. Exactly what happened with protestantism, everybody doing their own thing, all claiming belief in Jesus is all that's necessary and the rest is anybody's guess. No thank you!
ReginaM

One thing I note here on the EMs is that after communion is served, they all line up and bow when the Host is put back in the Tabernacle.... Have you seen this? It brings a sense of respect, that is demonstrable, as to simply having them come and go....

A complaint here on cradle Catholics. They become lazy and complacent. That closes their ears to listening, and they become habitual attendees at Mass.

I would like to see one time, a priest say, "No Liturgy of the Eucharist today!" And see if they would perk up and listen...(smiles)

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Vatican Accountant Accused of Smuggling $26 Million in Private Jet With Ex-Italian Spy

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Oxbow wrote:
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1366 of the CCC basically tells us there is one sacrifice once for all that is made present to us in the mass.
"The Eucharist is thus a sacrifice because it re-presents (makes present) the sacrifice of the cross, because it is its memorial and because it applies its fruit....."
Dr. Ott in "Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma" states: "In the Sacrifice of the Mass, Christ's Sacrifice on the Cross is made present, its memory is celebrated, and its saving power is applied."
"The Council of Trent teaches: Christ left a visible Sacrifice to His Church:'in which that bloody sacrifice which was once offered on the Cross should be made present, its memory preserved to the end of the world, and its salvation-bringing power applied to the forgiveness of the sins which are daily committed by us.;"
Christ's Sacrifice on the Cross is made present,
If that is not re-crucifying Him...what is it?????
It's pretty clear, we don't "re-crucify" Him. Reading comprehension ain't your strong suit.

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First horses arose 4 million years ago

The oldest full genome sequence, recovered from ancient horse bone, pushes back equine origins by 2 million years.

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Jun 29, 2013
 
Oxbow wrote:
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Anthony lied...his words: He uses the Greek word "to gnaw, to chew meat" His flesh.
The truth is: trogo: probably strengthened from a collateral form of the base of 5134 and 5147 through the idea of corrosion or wear; or perhaps rather of a base of 5167 and 5149 through the idea of a craunching sound; to gnaw or chew, i.e.(generally) to eat:--eat.
"Eat" is a definition of "trogo". The Greek word for "eat" is "phago", and it means to eat (literally or figuratively):--eat, meat. Catholics read the definitions in the literal sense...which makes them cannibals.
John 6:51-52- then Jesus says that the bread He is referring to is His flesh. The Jews take Him literally and immediately question such a teaching. How can this man give us His flesh to eat?

John 6:53 - 58 - Jesus does not correct their literal interpretation. Instead, Jesus eliminates any metaphorical interpretations by swearing an oath and being even more literal about eating His flesh. In fact, Jesus says four times we must eat His flesh and drink His blood. Catholics thus believe that Jesus makes present His body and blood in the sacrifice of the Mass. Protestants, if they are not going to become Catholic, can only argue that Jesus was somehow speaking symbolically.

John 6:23-53 - however, a symbolic interpretation is not plausible. Throughout these verses, the Greek text uses the word "phago" nine times. "Phago" literally means "to eat" or "physically consume." Like the Protestants of our day, the disciples take issue with Jesus' literal usage of "eat." So Jesus does what?

John 6:54, 56, 57, 58 - He uses an even more literal verb, translated as "trogo," which means to gnaw or chew or crunch. He increases the literalness and drives his message home. Jesus will literally give us His flesh and blood to eat. The word “trogo” is only used two other times in the New Testament (in Matt. 24:38 and John 13:18) and it always means to literally gnaw or chew meat. While “phago” might also have a spiritual application, "trogo" is never used metaphorically in Greek. So Protestants cannot find one verse in Scripture where "trogo" is used symbolically, and yet this must be their argument if they are going to deny the Catholic understanding of Jesus' words. Moreover, the Jews already knew Jesus was speaking literally even before Jesus used the word “trogo” when they said “How can this man give us His flesh to eat?”(John 6:52).

John 6:55 - to clarify further, Jesus says "For My Flesh is food indeed, and My Blood is drink indeed." This phrase can only be understood as being responsive to those who do not believe that Jesus' flesh is food indeed, and His blood is drink indeed. Further, Jesus uses the word which is translated as "sarx." "Sarx" means flesh (not "soma" which means body). See, for example, John 1:13,14; 3:6; 8:15; 17:2; Matt. 16:17; 19:5; 24:22; 26:41; Mark 10:8; 13:20; 14:38; and Luke 3:6; 24:39 which provides other examples in Scripture where "sarx" means flesh. It is always literal.

John 6:55 - further, the phrases "real" food and "real" drink use the word "alethes." "Alethes" means "really" or "truly," and would only be used if there were doubts concerning the reality of Jesus' flesh and blood as being food and drink. Thus, Jesus is emphasizing the miracle of His body and blood being actual food and drink.

John 6:60 - as are many anti-Catholics today, Jesus' disciples are scandalized by these words. They even ask, "Who can 'listen' to it (much less understand it)?" To the unillumined mind, it seems grotesque.

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Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Eastern Europeans are not demanding Communist regimes to return at the helm either.Although Communists are alive and well in all countries,we do not see governments and peoples grasping to embrace their ideology.Com munists have to take over countries by stealth.Perhaps some socialistic practices are unifying and a help to the poor,for the most part Socialism is total government control of its society,not a big plus in most cases.
I agree with you about religion being a thorn in the flesh of societies over the centuries,but I know for a fact that human nature,and SELF promotion fuels the engine of political strife in religious entities,both world-wide,and for the PAST historical record.Greed and avarice reigned in the lives of many religious leaders,no matter what the particular persuasion.It is human endeavor that is either affected by relgion or not,but the fact remains people will always do what they want whether God enters the picture or not.
Human failings enter every picture,every bias,every ideology.But in religious circles we are constantly reminded of our human quirks and are called upon to deal with them when they surface.Those that allow their infractions to overcome,usually fall apart,and good intentions falter,divisions occur.It is historical that Christianity especially has grown in spite of its failings,and today we have multitudes of social endeavors that help the poor,the bereaved,those who are victims of disasters,and so on.Most world calamities involving earth-quakes and other horrific events,see the aid of Christian organizations before anyone else responds,and that is a fact.I shudder to think what would happen if suddenly all Christian and Jewish relief organizations disappeared.
Agreed. I know the Greek rthodox Church in Greece makes it difficult for other Churches to be established and you had posted me about the Orthodox in Russia.I will not defend, minimize or doublespeak my way around this. Either it is of God or it is of the World.Period,
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Jun 29, 2013
 
Oxbow wrote:
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Jesus never said that Catholics are to be cannibals....Catholics erroneously say He did....and they practice cannibalism...religiously...
Obviously you put more faith in your SBC preacher than in Jesus.

John 6:60 - as are many anti-Catholics today, Jesus' disciples are scandalized by these words. They even ask, "Who can 'listen' to it (much less understand it)?" To the unillumined mind, it seems grotesque.

John 6:61-63 - Jesus acknowledges their disgust. Jesus' use of the phrase "the spirit gives life" means the disciples need supernatural faith, not logic, to understand His words.

John 3:6 - Jesus often used the comparison of "spirit versus flesh" to teach about the necessity of possessing supernatural faith versus a natural understanding. In Mark 14:38 Jesus also uses the "spirit/flesh" comparison. The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. We must go beyond the natural to understand the supernatural. In 1 Cor. 2:14,3:3; Rom 8:5; and Gal. 5:17, Paul also uses the "spirit/flesh" comparison to teach that unspiritual people are not receiving the gift of faith. They are still "in the flesh."

John 6:63 - Protestants often argue that Jesus' use of the phrase "the spirit gives life" shows that Jesus was only speaking symbolically. However, Protestants must explain why there is not one place in Scripture where "spirit" means "symbolic." As we have seen, the use of "spirit" relates to supernatural faith. What words are spirit and life? The words that we must eat Jesus' flesh and drink His blood, or we have no life in us.

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confrinting with the word wrote:
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You should not have attack them to start with...
All preachers in all religions must believe that the creator "thinks" exactly the way they think???

If that were not so, they wouldn't preach about what the supposed creator EXPECTS others to believe.

And THAT is the truth.
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Hermeneutics Smutics wrote: Slander? Instead I should let you ridicule us and be silent.When anyone does not let you do this with impunity, then you are "alandered". Doesnt work any more.As far as posting to me,Im cool with Anthony, Clay and Hojo, even though Clay and Hojo go back and forth with my wife and sometimes me. First of all she can take care of herself. Secondly they pose an argument, not a twisted post of misquotes, lies, insults and abuse- you and DustStorms particular forte.Hope you make the cover of Catholic Today, which appears to be your goal.
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Look, I said I wasn't going to argue with you and I'm not. If you were honest you would look to when and where this all started.....Seraphima's post that the Church was an abortion and the Bride of Frankenstein.
You both expected *us* to be silent, to let her say what she will without impunity. You have to defend her, she's your wife. I don't expect anything less from you. None of us does.
That's about the size of it.
Seraphima, thank you for the truth. The Roman Catholic church IS an abortion and the Bride of Frankenstein. Well said. As you have experienced, the truth about the Roman Catholic church stirs up hatred towards anyone who disagrees with their theology from hell.
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ReginaM wrote:
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Glad you found them interesting. Father Barron is excellent!
He puts the "religion" naysayers in their proper place. Only those who have no understanding decry it. Christianity is not, nor ever was, Jesus, the Bible, and me. Never.
ReginaM:

More like Christianity is God, you and me, made possible by Jesus.

Sure we can find the zealous on both sides of the Catholic/Protestant issue.

But I think in general, the Christian message has been marginalized by society. This marginalizing is what keeps sola scriptura alive. And in a sense, that is a good thing, because it is a "mindset" people can come together in common cause for Christianity.(It is kind of like two halves of the human brain.)

Recognizing the differences in a view on Christianity, does not hinder living out a Christian life, unless one maintains an "exclusive" attitude(which is counter to being catholic(universal) in the first place).
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Gotta run. getting the house ready for a visit from my sister whom I haven't seen in 15 years! I am sooooo excited!!!!!
Have a blast.

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June VanDerMark wrote:
Vatican Accountant Accused of Smuggling $26 Million in Private Jet With Ex-Italian Spy
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I have heard of James the son of Zebedee. James the son of Alpheus James("James the Just")and James the father of Judas (not Judas Iscariot)in the Bible. I never heard of James Bond.
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Oxbow wrote:
072 Anthony MN wrote: We've been receiving the chalice in every mass, weekday and Sunday for a number of years in my parish.
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If the Catholics base their practice of eating what they say is the actual body of Christ, and drinking the what they say is the actual blood of Christ...why did it take them that long to "get it right"...
Did not Christ say "eat my body AND drink my blood????
When I were a Catholic...the congregation only got the "body"...why were they not also given the "blood"????
I don't know a single Catholic who has never received the blood of Christ.

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Why, other than from a sense of "entitlement" would you believe that YOUR religion was based on truth, and other people's religions are based on lies.

WHY???

Do you believe you are THAT special that you are awarded the only path that leads to eternal bliss???

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June VanDerMark wrote:
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All preachers in all religions must believe that the creator "thinks" exactly the way they think???
If that were not so, they wouldn't preach about what the supposed creator EXPECTS others to believe.
And THAT is the truth.
Oh yeah!!!! Well remember yhe oldest full genome sequence, recovered from ancient horse bone, pushes back equine origins by 2 million years.Well I got a picture of you ridinh that horse you old coot. LOL

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