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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 654119 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Clay

Union, NJ

#457205 Jun 28, 2013
OldJG wrote:
OldJG wrote:
Leviticus 17:11, "For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement fore your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life."
When the Romans don't get the wine at their
re-crucifying of Jesus, their expressioin is "mass", they get NOTHING! The LIFE is in the blood.
<quoted text>
Read the Scrpiture. Jesus held up BREAD and said THIS IS MY BODY. Was Jesus declaring His body was made of bread? Or, the other side of the coin would be Jesus was lying to the disciples because He did not hold up His body, He held up a piece of bread, and declared it to be His LITERAL body? Which is it? It cannot be both.
Matthew 26:26, "Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, "Take, eat; THIS IS MY BODY."
Mark 14:11, "And as they were eating, he took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to them, and said, "Take; THIS IS MY BODY."
Luke 22:19, "And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, "THIS IS MY BODY, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me."
I Corinthians 11:23-24, 23 "For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, "THIS IS MY BODY which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me."
Let me add to your 1Corinthians verses: "Whoever therefore, eats the bread and drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, is guilty of sinning against the Body and Blood of the Lord"
It seems Paul was fooled too. He thought it was the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. Glad you born agains showed up to straighten Paul out.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#457206 Jun 28, 2013
Atheist Silurist wrote:
<quoted text>
Not all abuse is sexual abuse,but to deny that there was no abuse is a lie on your part.
As a catholic you are bound to defend the crimes of the catholic church.
I'm not denying a thing, but I'm not throwing mud at the wall as you are either.

I already cited where the report affirms that the inmates had to work hard, were there against their wishes, that the nuns were strict and ran the place accordingly.

None of the witnesses interviewed claim to have been sexually abused nor beaten. They uniformly state that they had to work very hard and that the nuns were stern taskmasters and verbally cruel at times.

The facilities DID pass state inspection in accord with contemporary factory standards.

Laundries were a hard place to be, no matter who you were. It was hard work. No question.

The government is paying out as the report indicates that they were culpable for committing many of the girls to the laundries.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#457207 Jun 28, 2013
Atheist Silurist wrote:
Thank you.
Atheist Silurist

Manchester, UK

#457208 Jun 28, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Who are these "campaigners" you mention but fail to cite?
Magdalene Laundries survivors fury at Government deal.
http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/pol...

Mr O’Riordan said their psychological, emotional and physical abuse was ignored by the package.

And he hit out at the religious orders who have so far gotten away without making a contribution.
Clay

Union, NJ

#457209 Jun 28, 2013
OldJG wrote:
OldJG wrote:
Leviticus 17:11, "For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement fore your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life."
When the Romans don't get the wine at their
re-crucifying of Jesus, their expressioin is "mass", they get NOTHING! The LIFE is in the blood.
<quoted text>
Read the Scrpiture. Jesus held up BREAD and said THIS IS MY BODY. Was Jesus declaring His body was made of bread? Or, the other side of the coin would be Jesus was lying to the disciples because He did not hold up His body, He held up a piece of bread, and declared it to be His LITERAL body? Which is it? It cannot be both.
Matthew 26:26, "Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, "Take, eat; THIS IS MY BODY."
Mark 14:11, "And as they were eating, he took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to them, and said, "Take; THIS IS MY BODY."
Luke 22:19, "And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, "THIS IS MY BODY, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me."
I Corinthians 11:23-24, 23 "For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, "THIS IS MY BODY which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me."
If you're interested in what the Apostles taught about the Eucharist, you can read what their Disciples wrote.
Here is what the Bishop of Antioch, Disciple of John learned:
"They refrain from the Eucharist and prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of Our Lord Jesus Christ; Flesh which suffered and died for our sins and the Father, in His Goodness, raised up again. They who deny this gift our perishing in their disputes"

Wikipedia.org/Wiki/Ignatius_of_Antioch
Dan

Omaha, NE

#457210 Jun 28, 2013
Atheist Silurist wrote:
As I read this, the AI guy wants to run an inquiry on Northern Ireland laundries?

Northern Ireland was "left out" of another government's report on what that state did? Y

Yeah, they probably were.

Are you predicting a different result of an inquest in Northern Ireland, or....?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#457211 Jun 28, 2013
Atheist Silurist wrote:
<quoted text>
Magdalene Laundries survivors fury at Government deal.
http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/pol...
Mr O’Riordan said their psychological, emotional and physical abuse was ignored by the package.
And he hit out at the religious orders who have so far gotten away without making a contribution.
Well, I assume he would. He wants more money, rather than less.

Clay

Union, NJ

#457212 Jun 28, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
I hope you're right. I cringe whenever I see one of them "bless" a baby in the communion line...
Agreed. I know the Priest at the Cathedral wants to do away with them altogether and bring back the Communion rail. Everyone should kneel when receiving the Holy Eucharist.
I should talk though, because I rightfully could anyway (a few do) but I don't want to draw attention to myself.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#457213 Jun 28, 2013
Atheist Silurist wrote:
<quoted text>
Not all abuse is sexual abuse,but to deny that there was no abuse is a lie on your part.
As a catholic you are bound to defend the crimes of the catholic church.
Here's kind of where I see this matter.

As I read it, at issue are the women committed to these places by the Irish government and it's various bodies.

The laundries also had inmates who were sent there by family, etc. as it was sort of a place for "troubled girls", if you'll forgive the euphemism.

The women committed there by there families, are not, I believe, the subject of the compensation, etc.

Therefore, it's the government's involvement in sending the women to these asylums that's the issue rather than the asylums themselves. Asylums, by their nature, are seldom places one associates with anything but varying degrees of privation and hardship.

Correct any errors of fact here, please.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#457214 Jun 28, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
I was chatting with two nuns the other day and asked what they thought of the music in our liturgies. One of them was a specialist in liturgical music and was rather adamant that we won't be going back to traditional music or even chant and that the mix of contemporary music was here to stay. And she was quite certain that the Tridentine Mass was just a fad. Kinda wrecked my day...
Is that the old Latin Mass??

May be weird but I liked it..had half the words memorized ...

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#457215 Jun 28, 2013
who="Dan"
Non-Catholics are denied the Eucharist as they don't believe in it. It's a sin to profane the Eucharist and for one to receive it unworthily.

*********
I wasn't speaking of outsiders.

KM
Atheist Silurist

Manchester, UK

#457216 Jun 28, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not denying a thing, but I'm not throwing mud at the wall as you are either.
I already cited where the report affirms that the inmates had to work hard, were there against their wishes, that the nuns were strict and ran the place accordingly.
None of the witnesses interviewed claim to have been sexually abused nor beaten. They uniformly state that they had to work very hard and that the nuns were stern taskmasters and verbally cruel at times.
The facilities DID pass state inspection in accord with contemporary factory standards.
Laundries were a hard place to be, no matter who you were. It was hard work. No question.
The government is paying out as the report indicates that they were culpable for committing many of the girls to the laundries.
You forgot to mention the children that were taken away from their mothers. The word 'abuse' doesn't do it justice,mental torture would would be more appropriate description.
It's funny how the catholic church sees itself as a bastion of morality,strange indeed for an institute that doesn't have any.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#457217 Jun 28, 2013
Atheist Silurist wrote:
<quoted text>
You forgot to mention the children that were taken away from their mothers. The word 'abuse' doesn't do it justice,mental torture would would be more appropriate description.
It's funny how the catholic church sees itself as a bastion of morality,strange indeed for an institute that doesn't have any.
I didn't mention it as I haven't seen it anywhere but in an allegation from the "campaigner". I didn't see it in the report, but that doesn't mean it's not there. I just didn't see it.

Recall that they were running asylums for "wayward girls".

Asylums are not often mistaken for amusement parks.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#457218 Jun 28, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Dan"
Non-Catholics are denied the Eucharist as they don't believe in it. It's a sin to profane the Eucharist and for one to receive it unworthily.
*********
I wasn't speaking of outsiders.
KM
My mistake.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#457219 Jun 28, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text> leave Christian discussions for the Christians.
You know as well as me, if we Catholics leave, your fellow fundies will turn their sights on you. They do not consider you a Christian, in case you haven't figured that out.
Face the truth...answer my question: What do you call a person what eats human flesh????

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#457220 Jun 28, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>==========
It is a controverted question whether the bishops hold their jurisdiction directly from God or from the sovereign pontiff. The latter opinion, however, is almost generally admitted at the present day, for it is more in conformity with the monarchical constitution of the Church, which seems to demand that there should be no power in the Church not emanating immediately from the sovereign pontiff. Authors who hold the contrary opinion say that it is during the episcopal consecration that bishops receive from God their power of jurisdiction. But habitually before their consecration the bishops have already all powers of jurisdiction over their dioceses (Bargilliat, I, 442-445).
==========

CLAY

This belief has changed. The Bishops hold their jurisdiction directly from God. The old belief was not Dogma.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#457221 Jun 28, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
Face the truth...answer my question: What do you call a person what eats human flesh????
A cannibal.

Jesus was merely human?

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#457222 Jun 28, 2013
Atheist Silurist wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL, I thought you had just suffered a blunt trauma injury to the head or maybe your sanity had taken a turn for the worse. I'm glad it was a typo and not a religious affliction.
I already endured a religious affliction for most of my life, and I don't want a repeat "performance."

:)
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#457223 Jun 28, 2013
OldJG wrote: Read the Scrpiture. Jesus held up BREAD and said THIS IS MY BODY. Was Jesus declaring His body was made of bread? Or, the other side of the coin would be Jesus was lying to the disciples because He did not hold up His body, He held up a piece of bread, and declared it to be His LITERAL body? Which is it? It cannot be both.

Matthew 26:26, "Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, "Take, eat; THIS IS MY BODY."

Mark 14:11, "And as they were eating, he took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to them, and said, "Take; THIS IS MY BODY."

Luke 22:19, "And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, "THIS IS MY BODY, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me."

I Corinthians 11:23-24, 23 "For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, "THIS IS MY BODY which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me."
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me add to your 1Corinthians verses: "Whoever therefore, eats the bread and drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, is guilty of sinning against the Body and Blood of the Lord"
It seems Paul was fooled too. He thought it was the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. Glad you born agains showed up to straighten Paul out.
It appeared you needed help locating Scripture. Here you go.

I Corinthians 11:26, "For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. 27 Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty concerning the body and blood of the Lord."

Now, moving on. Cly, for once in your life can you answer the questions. Here they are one more time......

Jesus held up BREAD and said THIS IS MY BODY.

1. Was Jesus declaring His body was made of bread?

2. Or, the other side of the coin would be Jesus was lying to the disciples because He did not hold up His body, He held up a piece of bread, and declared it to be His LITERAL body?

Which is it? It cannot be both.

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#457224 Jun 28, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess not "all"...maybe jethro will give you his email address.
:)

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