Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Dan wrote:
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It was an ecclesial council.
Not a political convention.
Sorry, but that's what history tells us it was.
Sorry Dan, but your argument presupposes that there are no politics in church organizations, which is demonstrably false. There are politics in any human organization.
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Upon what basis would you declare that they are "the same"?
Asking as Scripture certainly makes the distinction between them.
They have to be the same or they wouldn't carry the same weight or attain the same result.

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You did it again here.
God will not evidence Himself to your expectations, thus He cannot exist.

You are demanding that God conform to you. Insisting that He should is circular logic; if He did, He'd be subject to your whim, thus rendering Him less than God.
June commits this fallacy as well.
Dan, instead of debating with your own straw man, how about addressing what I actually did say? I'm not demanding anything. I'm pointing out that if this deity acts empirically upon the universe, then there should be empirical evidence for that. What fault do you find in that statement?

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When they claimed that a Jew converted to Catholicism when he was baptized by a Catholic named John the Baptist and that the (now ex-Jew named Jesus) was intent on taking ONLY those of the Catholic faith to Christian "heaven."
That's just ONE major lie. The whole religion is based on lies.
The idea that a faithful Jew would be serving Catholics in confessionals is good for a laugh or two ... but even as myths go ... the scenario is beyond ludicrous.
June

Nit one believer on this thread has said that JESUS OR JOHN the Baptist converted to anything.

Th e y were Jews ..

And many have told you this..
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Sorry Dan, but your argument presupposes that there are no politics in church organizations, which is demonstrably false. There are politics in any human organization.
Certainly, there are.

This, still, doesn't render the Council of Nicea to a political convention.
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Dan, instead of debating with your own straw man, how about addressing what I actually did say? I'm not demanding anything. I'm pointing out that if this deity acts empirically upon the universe, then there should be empirical evidence for that. What fault do you find in that statement?
What empirical evidence do you want?
If I said "open your window and look around", you would then say "God had no part of the natural world", yes?

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June:
In a sense you are true.
But in Christianity, there is an axiom which works...,
When and where Christianity increases, superstition decreases(And the reverse is true, when and where Christianity decreases, superstition increases.)
As a modern for instance, in the U.S., there has been a decline of Christianity, and an increase in paranormal, Wicca, paganism, spiritualism, tarot cards, sťances, "eastern meditation", yoga, etc...) All these latter things are superstition oriented
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A famous man said on TV this morning (he has written a book about it)'When America was at her peak as a Christian nation, the world was less violent."
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I am surprised they did not blleeep that part out..the time is coming !!!
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They have to be the same or they wouldn't carry the same weight or attain the same result.
Scripture doesn't apply value the teachings of Christ according to the medium of the message.

Written isn't of a higher value than what is preached.

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REMEMBER THIS
YOU MAY PROSPER FOR A TIME...
I hope YOU prosper for all time.

You on the other hand use your biblical scriptures to put curses on me as though a god supports you.

That is what your religion did TO YOU, because of your own arrogance in the will to preach your myths as though YOU will have the last WORD and land in heaven, while I will land in hell.

You are a fool!

By the way ... I don't even wish Islam's concocted hell on you, as I believe it is also a myth created by silly men.

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If God knows I will not eat today (not predict, but know as a fact), then can I do otherwise, and prove God wrong?
As for God's will, it is impossible to oppose the will of an omnipotent deity. Which is why God would also be culpable for evil and sin. G

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God cannot be proven 'wrong', because He is perfectly 'right'.
Certainly a fallible person such as yourself cannot prove Him wrong.
Apparently, you think that you have already done so.(Forget it, no one is that smart...and it can be very costly.)

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wilderide wrote:
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Dan, instead of debating with your own straw man, how about addressing what I actually did say? I'm not demanding anything. I'm pointing out that if this deity acts empirically upon the universe, then there should be empirical evidence for that. What fault do you find in that statement?
.....and it's not a strawman.

What empirical evidence of God would suffice for you?
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marge supplied the verses.
...she also declared oral tradition a "must" in a later post.
Must agree with what is written;

'So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you are judged.'

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June
Nit one believer on this thread has said that JESUS OR JOHN the Baptist converted to anything.
Th e y were Jews ..
And many have told you this..
So why aren't YOU practicing Judaism as do the Jews.

They don't practice Catholicism ... have you noticed???

And by the way, not one of you Catholics or Protestants (on the forum) have stated that Jesus converted to Christianity, but had he not, he would not support Christianity and neither would his mother, or the apostles. Judas was the only faithful Jew, because he would not leave Judaism for Catholicism.

Within Catholic "theology," Jesus and the whole flock of Jews (with the exception of Judas) became converted to Catholicism ... and you KNOW that is true.

Yet you LIE to defend your cult!

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What empirical evidence do you want?
If I said "open your window and look around", you would then say "God had no part of the natural world", yes?
Open your window and look around, Dan. Can't you see the obvious evidence for Zeus?

If you want to call the laws of physics God, then certainly God exists. If you know of empirical evidence for an interfering deity with an unexplained interest in human affairs, which inspired the Bible and causes "miracles" and answers prayers, then by all means I'm interested in seeing that.

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According to Catholics, Jesus' mother Mary is a "Catholic" saint ... NOT a saint because of being faithful to her religion of Judaism.

Catholics converted her AGAINST her own will!

Silly theology for silly people!
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Must agree with what is written;
'So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you are judged.'
Oral tradition carried Christianity for centuries.

Do you believe early Christendom to be inferior in substance and/or belief as the teachings had not yet been written?

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If God knows I will not eat today (not predict, but know as a fact), then can I do otherwise, and prove God wrong?
As for God's will, it is impossible to oppose the will of an omnipotent deity. Which is why God would also be culpable for evil and sin. G
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God cannot be proven 'wrong', because He is perfectly 'right'.
Certainly a fallible person such as yourself cannot prove Him wrong.
Apparently, you think that you have already done so.(Forget it, no one is that smart...and it can be very costly.)
KM
If God cannot be proved wrong, and God knows your fate in advance, then you have no free will.
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June VanDerMark wrote:
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So why aren't YOU practicing Judaism as do the Jews.
They don't practice Catholicism ... have you noticed???
And by the way, not one of you Catholics or Protestants (on the forum) have stated that Jesus converted to Christianity, but had he not, he would not support Christianity and neither would his mother, or the apostles. Judas was the only faithful Jew, because he would not leave Judaism for Catholicism.
Within Catholic "theology," Jesus and the whole flock of Jews (with the exception of Judas) became converted to Catholicism ... and you KNOW that is true.
Yet you LIE to defend your cult!
LOLOL.

Who on this board (besides you) has asserted that Jesus "converted" from Judaism?

You're a straight-up riot, June.

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confrinting with the word wrote:
God cannot be proven 'wrong', because He is perfectly 'right'.
Then he made the right choice the first time he inspired men to write the words that the Jews were his chosen few ... RIGHT???

He didn't need Catholics to write lies in a new testament to make their selves the center of attention.

And he doesn't need you as a Protestant to USE the lies written by the Catholics to make your self the center of attention.

Do you GET that idea, or will the god that belongs to the Jews have to smarten you up in his own way???

tongue in cheek

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.....and it's not a strawman.
What empirical evidence of God would suffice for you?
Well, we could start with the efficacy of prayer.

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