Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 20 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#456478 Jun 26, 2013
Dan wrote:
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wildride's position on the post I responded to was the latest in a long line of "God doesn't do what I'd expect God to do, so there isn't a God" posts.
I didn't make him the bad guy, but I guess I'd need to know how or why God conforms Himself to what wilderide thinks He should do before accepting his premise.
You are either greatly misunderstanding what I posted, or intentionally misrepresenting it. I never made any argument that because God doesn't fit some logical format therefore it cannot exist. I'm simply asking questions about the ideology within it's own framework.

In fact, my disbelief in any deity stems from the total lack of any objective, empirical evidence for any. If such evidence were presented and verified, then I would not believe so much as I'd know there was a deity.

What is your rationale for disbelieving in every other deity except one?

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#456479 Jun 26, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Um, the Council of Nicea was a gathering of Christian bishops-not a political gathering.
You don't think that was political? LOL! Okaaay.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#456480 Jun 26, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Dan"
You just confirmed oral tradition.
Thanks for the assist.
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The LAW OF YOUR MOUTH is better to me than thousands of gold and silver...
This is not proof of 'oral tradition', for David is speaking of GOD'S MOUTH.
The Bible...written word...IS the law of God's mouth.
KayMarie
marge supplied the verses.

...she also declared oral tradition a "must" in a later post.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#456481 Jun 26, 2013
who="Human Being"
June:
In a sense you are true.
But in Christianity, there is an axiom which works...,
When and where Christianity increases, superstition decreases(And the reverse is true, when and where Christianity decreases, superstition increases.)
As a modern for instance, in the U.S., there has been a decline of Christianity, and an increase in paranormal, Wicca, paganism, spiritualism, tarot cards, sťances, "eastern meditation", yoga, etc...) All these latter things are superstition oriented

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A famous man said on TV this morning (he has written a book about it)'When America was at her peak as a Christian nation, the world was less violent."

KM

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#456482 Jun 26, 2013
who="wilderide"
If God knows what you will do, can you do otherwise? If so, then God was wrong. God can't "give" you a choice if what you will ultimately do is predestined.

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Wake up, wilderide. I'm not even God, but I know that you are going to eat something today (unless you have a religion that forbids it today). God's 'knowing' is not His 'will'.

If He wills that you not eat today, you will not find anything to eat.

KM
Dan

Omaha, NE

#456483 Jun 26, 2013
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't think that was political? LOL! Okaaay.
It was an ecclesial council.

Not a political convention.

Sorry, but that's what history tells us it was.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#456484 Jun 26, 2013
Wake up, wilderide. I'm not even God, but I know that you are going to eat something today (unless you have a religion that forbids it today). God's 'knowing' is not His 'will'. If He wills that you not eat today, you will not find anything to eat.

KM

My 'knowing' that you will eat...has nothing to do with your 'choice'.

KM
marge

Ames, IA

#456485 Jun 26, 2013
marge wrote:
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We understand you strayed too.
Fact is we all have.

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#456486 Jun 26, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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You are either greatly misunderstanding what I posted, or intentionally misrepresenting it. I never made any argument that because God doesn't fit some logical format therefore it cannot exist. I'm simply asking questions about the ideology within it's own framework.
In fact, my disbelief in any deity stems from the total lack of any objective, empirical evidence for any. If such evidence were presented and verified, then I would not believe so much as I'd know there was a deity.
What is your rationale for disbelieving in every other deity except one?
You did it again here.

God will not evidence Himself to your expectations, thus He cannot exist.

You are demanding that God conform to you. Insisting that He should is circular logic; if He did, He'd be subject to your whim, thus rendering Him less than God.

June commits this fallacy as well.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#456487 Jun 26, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
Wake up, wilderide. I'm not even God, but I know that you are going to eat something today (unless you have a religion that forbids it today). God's 'knowing' is not His 'will'.
If He wills that you not eat today, you will not find anything to eat.
KM
If God knows I will not eat today (not predict, but know as a fact), then can I do otherwise, and prove God wrong?

As for God's will, it is impossible to oppose the will of an omnipotent deity. Which is why God would also be culpable for evil and sin.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#456488 Jun 26, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
It was an ecclesial council.
Not a political convention.
Sorry, but that's what history tells us it was.
Sorry Dan, but your argument presupposes that there are no politics in church organizations, which is demonstrably false. There are politics in any human organization.
marge

Ames, IA

#456489 Jun 26, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Upon what basis would you declare that they are "the same"?
Asking as Scripture certainly makes the distinction between them.
They have to be the same or they wouldn't carry the same weight or attain the same result.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#456490 Jun 26, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
You did it again here.
God will not evidence Himself to your expectations, thus He cannot exist.

You are demanding that God conform to you. Insisting that He should is circular logic; if He did, He'd be subject to your whim, thus rendering Him less than God.
June commits this fallacy as well.
Dan, instead of debating with your own straw man, how about addressing what I actually did say? I'm not demanding anything. I'm pointing out that if this deity acts empirically upon the universe, then there should be empirical evidence for that. What fault do you find in that statement?

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON to Save us

#456491 Jun 26, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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When they claimed that a Jew converted to Catholicism when he was baptized by a Catholic named John the Baptist and that the (now ex-Jew named Jesus) was intent on taking ONLY those of the Catholic faith to Christian "heaven."
That's just ONE major lie. The whole religion is based on lies.
The idea that a faithful Jew would be serving Catholics in confessionals is good for a laugh or two ... but even as myths go ... the scenario is beyond ludicrous.
June

Nit one believer on this thread has said that JESUS OR JOHN the Baptist converted to anything.

Th e y were Jews ..

And many have told you this..
Dan

Omaha, NE

#456492 Jun 26, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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Sorry Dan, but your argument presupposes that there are no politics in church organizations, which is demonstrably false. There are politics in any human organization.
Certainly, there are.

This, still, doesn't render the Council of Nicea to a political convention.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#456493 Jun 26, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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Dan, instead of debating with your own straw man, how about addressing what I actually did say? I'm not demanding anything. I'm pointing out that if this deity acts empirically upon the universe, then there should be empirical evidence for that. What fault do you find in that statement?
What empirical evidence do you want?
If I said "open your window and look around", you would then say "God had no part of the natural world", yes?

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON to Save us

#456494 Jun 26, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Human Being"
June:
In a sense you are true.
But in Christianity, there is an axiom which works...,
When and where Christianity increases, superstition decreases(And the reverse is true, when and where Christianity decreases, superstition increases.)
As a modern for instance, in the U.S., there has been a decline of Christianity, and an increase in paranormal, Wicca, paganism, spiritualism, tarot cards, sťances, "eastern meditation", yoga, etc...) All these latter things are superstition oriented
**********
A famous man said on TV this morning (he has written a book about it)'When America was at her peak as a Christian nation, the world was less violent."
KM
I am surprised they did not blleeep that part out..the time is coming !!!
Dan

Omaha, NE

#456495 Jun 26, 2013
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
They have to be the same or they wouldn't carry the same weight or attain the same result.
Scripture doesn't apply value the teachings of Christ according to the medium of the message.

Written isn't of a higher value than what is preached.

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#456496 Jun 26, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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~~~
REMEMBER THIS
YOU MAY PROSPER FOR A TIME...
I hope YOU prosper for all time.

You on the other hand use your biblical scriptures to put curses on me as though a god supports you.

That is what your religion did TO YOU, because of your own arrogance in the will to preach your myths as though YOU will have the last WORD and land in heaven, while I will land in hell.

You are a fool!

By the way ... I don't even wish Islam's concocted hell on you, as I believe it is also a myth created by silly men.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#456497 Jun 26, 2013
who="wilderide"
If God knows I will not eat today (not predict, but know as a fact), then can I do otherwise, and prove God wrong?
As for God's will, it is impossible to oppose the will of an omnipotent deity. Which is why God would also be culpable for evil and sin. G

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God cannot be proven 'wrong', because He is perfectly 'right'.
Certainly a fallible person such as yourself cannot prove Him wrong.
Apparently, you think that you have already done so.(Forget it, no one is that smart...and it can be very costly.)

KM

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