Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.
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Why don't you get on the horn and straighten him out!!!!????
I know what the metaphor is and so does the pope. You, being hopelessly clueless, try to play words games in order avoid appearing the idiot you are, but it's too late. Not sure how you did it, but even the fundies think so too.
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OldJG wrote: OldJG wrote: There seems to be much confusion on this forum. Are the Roman Catholics stating the church catholic (universal)is the same animal as the Roman Catholic church of today? If so, who moved the center of Christianity from Jerusalem to Rome? Why the change? Why all the focus on Rome? Did Jesus tell the apostles to build the vatican? Did Peter wear one of those funny little hats the popes wear? How about the capes? Do the popes wear the capes because they believe they are the Superman of Christianity? Has anyone seen them fly? Hey, hoblo, just answer the questions. You seem to the the historian at large on this forum. If you can't answer the questions we understand. We realize you cannot speak without saying there are 38,000, 40,000 or 42,000 denominations in nearly every sentence. Show us you can think for a change. Just answer these very simple questions. 1. Are the Roman Catholics stating the church catholic (universal)is the same animal as the Roman Catholic church of today? 2. If so, who moved the center of Christianity from Jerusalem to Rome? 3. Why the change? 4. Why all the focus on Rome? Did Jesus tell the apostles to build the vatican? 5. Did Peter wear one of those funny little hats the popes wear? 6. How about the capes? 7. Do the popes wear the capes because they believe they are the Superman of Christianity? 8. Has anyone seen them fly?
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Hojo is more than capable, but I'll take a shot.
1. Yes. It's undeniable historical fact.
2. No one "moved" it. Sts. Peter and Paul founded the Church in Rome. See St. Paul's epistle to the Romans and the Petrine epistles if you need further clarification..
3. The center was not "moved". Jerusalem was in shambles. The Romans had crushed every little bit of insurrection, the zealots, the Jews, Christians and anyone who didn't worship their gods. The center of the world was Rome, the best place to spread the gospel. Sts. Peter and Paul,in Rome, laid hands on and ordained bishops to take the reigns from them. That 'laying on of hands" has continued in an unbroken lineage to this very day...in Rome.
4. No focus on Rome, the Bishop of Rome just happens to be located there....in Rome, and in the same location where Sts. Peter and Paul founded the Church at Rome. The historical accounts. which are undeniable, show the Catholic Church in Rome to be an early leader of the (universal) Catholic Church because of her preeminence (founded by Sts. Peter and Paul).
5. No. These are liturgical head-coverings worn just as the Jewish high priests wore liturgical head-coverings.
6. Capes? The founders of protestantism would be apalled seeing your preachers in jeans and tee shirts bouncing all over your stages. Are you a fashionista?
7. Pretty cute deacon.
8. Really cute deacon. I'll bet you get your congregants rolling in the pews during your Sunday meetings/comedy shows.
tonyPM, tonyPM, you are such a liar. Shame of you little Roman boy. There is no truth in you is there. PM stands for post mortem.

1. Lie. The catholic church universal is not Roman.
2. Peter was never in Rome. Paul never moved Christianity.
3. You said the center WAS NOT moved. OK. If it never "moved" it must have always been in Rome. Right tonyPM?
4. Peter and Paul were not the founders of the Roman church. It existed before Paul arrived and Peter was never there.
5. Really? The Roman Catholic cracker changers and wine connoisseurs wear the same head gear as the Pharisees'? Wow!
6. Capes are worn by Roman so called "priests".
7. Thank you.
8. Thank you again. Have you seen any of the popes fly? LOL
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What (from your perspective) IS a REAL Christian?
One who follows the teachings of the mythical Jew Jesus.
If they followed a Jew, they would be practicing Judaism ... not Christianity.
Wow it is getting very hard to pin point whio is dumber. For now I can clearly say that with this one you put yourself at the top of the list.
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OldJG wrote:
OldJG wrote: OldJG wrote: There seems to be much confusion on this forum. Are the Roman Catholics stating the church catholic (universal)is the same animal as the Roman Catholic church of today? If so, who moved the center of Christianity from Jerusalem to Rome? Why the change? Why all the focus on Rome? Did Jesus tell the apostles to build the vatican? Did Peter wear one of those funny little hats the popes wear? How about the capes? Do the popes wear the capes because they believe they are the Superman of Christianity? Has anyone seen them fly? Read more at http://www.topix.com/forum/who/pope-benedict -... If the center of the world was Rome and Jerusalem was a backwater, why did Christianity begin in Jerusalem? Why didn't Christianity begin in Rome?
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tony, you are getting closer. Keep going boy. Why was the center of Christianity moved from Jerusalem to Rome? To control the Christians and to corrupt Christianity with the pagan gods and satanic religions of the Roman Empire. The church that was birthed from this commingling of pagan gods, satanic religions and a form of Christianity is called....THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH
Koo Koo. Koo koo. Why it's a lovely day in la la land don't you agree Oldjg?
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OldJG wrote: OldJG wrote: There seems to be much confusion on this forum. Are the Roman Catholics stating the church catholic (universal)is the same animal as the Roman Catholic church of today? If so, who moved the center of Christianity from Jerusalem to Rome? Why the change? Why all the focus on Rome? Did Jesus tell the apostles to build the vatican? Did Peter wear one of those funny little hats the popes wear? How about the capes? Do the popes wear the capes because they believe they are the Superman of Christianity? Has anyone seen them fly? Hey, hoblo, just answer the questions. You seem to the the historian at large on this forum. If you can't answer the questions we understand. We realize you cannot speak without saying there are 38,000, 40,000 or 42,000 denominations in nearly every sentence. Show us you can think for a change. Just answer these very simple questions. 1. Are the Roman Catholics stating the church catholic (universal)is the same animal as the Roman Catholic church of today? 2. If so, who moved the center of Christianity from Jerusalem to Rome? 3. Why the change? 4. Why all the focus on Rome? Did Jesus tell the apostles to build the vatican? 5. Did Peter wear one of those funny little hats the popes wear? 6. How about the capes? 7. Do the popes wear the capes because they believe they are the Superman of Christianity? 8. Has anyone seen them fly?
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tonyPM, tonyPM, you are such a liar. Shame of you little Roman boy. There is no truth in you is there. PM stands for post mortem.
1. Lie. The catholic church universal is not Roman.
2. Peter was never in Rome. Paul never moved Christianity.
3. You said the center WAS NOT moved. OK. If it never "moved" it must have always been in Rome. Right tonyPM?
4. Peter and Paul were not the founders of the Roman church. It existed before Paul arrived and Peter was never there.
5. Really? The Roman Catholic cracker changers and wine connoisseurs wear the same head gear as the Pharisees'? Wow!
6. Capes are worn by Roman so called "priests".
7. Thank you.
8. Thank you again. Have you seen any of the popes fly? LOL
Deacon? lol. Well, you're certainly no scholar.

Quit reading jack chick and jesus-is-saviour websites.
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The natural man cannot understand Scripture that was authored by the Holy Spirit for the Spirit of man...
That is why you believe Christ taught that we are to literal eat His flesh and drink His blood!!!! Which is the acts of cannibals!!!!
Luke 24:13-35

Jesus approached the two men who were talking about him. they did not recognize him OR the scriptures until Christ sat down and took out some bread, blessed it, broke it and gave it to them.

The two men explained that Christ was not known to them UNTIL the breaking of the Bread (Eucharist). luke 24:35

No wonder you guys cant understand the scriptures... you don't partake in the Eucharist!
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Constantine became like a Pope when he called the first general ecumenical council, in Nicaea in A.D. 325, to settle questions of doctrine. The most important decision was the adoption of Nicene creed: the assertion that the denial of Christ’s divinity was a heresy. This became the basis of all church doctrine from that time forward. Anyone who departed from the creed was branded a heretic.
St. Helena, the mother of Constantine, became one of the most cherished saints in the Greek Orthodox church. On her first pilgrimage to the Holy Land she came back with the True Cross, Christ's crown of thorns and the lance used to pierce his skin before his crucifixion. And if that wasn't enough she identified Christ's tomb, which had been covered over by a temple dedicated to Aphrodite. The site is now occupied by the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem.

Under Constantine, Christians who deviated from official church doctrine were branded as heretics and were given no support, were punished with penalties and were ordered to stop meeting.

After Constantine died in 337, the Roman Empire was divided up among his sons. Christianity spread gradually but inexorably through the Roman Empire and beyond its borders. Paganism was banned at the end of 4th century and restrictions were placed on Judaism. The power and the wealth of the church grew quickly with the help of faithful Christians who donated their land and other possessions. By the beginning of the 6th century Christianity had 34 million followers. They made up half of the Roman Empire.

The Council of Nicaea, held in Nicaea (present-day Iznik In Turkey), inaugurating the ecumenical movement. Called by Constantine to combat heresy and settle questions of doctrine, it attracted thousands of priests, 318 bishops, two papal lieutenants and the Roman Emperor Constantine himself. The attendees discussed the Holy trinity and the eventual linkage of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, argued whether Jesus was truly divine or just a prophet (he was judged divine), and decided that Easter would be celebrated on the first Sunday after the first full moon after the vernal equinox.

The early councils were shaped largely by Christian scholars from Alexandria and their views were in line with modern Coptic doctrine that the God and Christ are of the same essence and that Christ’s divinity and humanity are unified.

Constantine made a grand entrance at the council. According to one witness he “proceeded through the midst of the assembly” and acted like a Pope. The greatest debate was between Arius, a priest from Alexandria, who argued that Christ was not the equal of God but was created by him, and Athanasius, the leader of the bishops to the west, who claimed that the Father and Son, where distinct, but hatched from the same substances and thus were equal. Arus’s argument was rejected in part because it opened to the door to polytheism and a doctrine was codified that stated Christ was “begotten not made” and that God and Christ were “of the same stuff.”

The Council of Nicaea gave us the Roman version of Christianity rather the Nestorian. The most important decision was the rejection of Arius’s arguments and the adoption of Nicene creed: the assertions that Christ’s divinity, the Virgin Birth and the Holy Trinity were truths and the denial of Christ’s divinity was a heresy. This became the basis of all church doctrine from that time forward. Anyone who departed from the creed was branded a heretic.
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Constitutum Constantini (Donation of Constantine)

Constantine and Pope Sylvester I The Pope's authority over all of Europe is based the Constitutum Constantini (the Donation of Constantine), a 3,000-word documented purportedly written by Constantine between A.D. 315 and 325 that legalized Christianity and gave the See of Rome and the pope spiritual power over the entire world in addition to political power over Europe. The document was not made public until the ninth century when it was used as evidence in dogma debates when the Christian church split into the Catholic church and Eastern Orthodox Church.

In the A.D. 8th century Pope Stephen II and the military leader Pepin (king of the Franks and father of Charlemagne) gained control of huge chunk of land in central Italy, that included Rome and Ravenna, by using the Constitutum Constantini. The chunk of land, known as the Patrimony of St. Peter, was ruled by the popes for most of the next 11 centuries.

The Constitutum Constantini (the Donation of Constantine) was later revealed to be, in the words of Voltaire, the "boldest and the most magnificent forgery." One of the documents flaws was that it gave Rome authority in New Rome (Constantinople) at least a decade before the city was founded.

Constantine Byzantine mosaic In 1440,the Constitutum Constantini was labeled a fake by Lorenzo Valla who was called into settle a dispute between King Alfonos and Pope Eugenius IV over who had secular authority over Italy. Valla showed the Constitutum Constantini was a fake. An authority on Latin, Valla pointed out that a diadem in Constantine's time was not a gold crown as the the Constitutum Constantini claimed but was coarse cloth and the word "tiara" was not even in use at the time the document was said to have been written. A number of other words in it were not used in Constantine's time.

Valla was later convicted of heresy for pointing out the "Apostle's Creed" could not have been composed by the Twelve Apostles. He was convicted on eight counts and probably would have been burned at the stake were it not for his patron King Alfonso.
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New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Pontius Pilate has nothing to do with "the Truth".
That is a claim made by so-called "Christians" through an interpretation of "him washing his hands clean" of the event.
Not a coward, but actually logically - as it had nothing to do with his belief.
Playing the event your way, is biased and doesn't include all the facts. Facts that would have to include the details of why Pilate did what he did, based upon Roman laws, and not Jewish law.
This aspect of the event seems to always go unnoticed and mentioned.
Figures. One can't have a feasible belief if the true law explains it accurately.
New Age Spiritual Leader:

People approach the Truth on different levels.

In the case of Pilate, a low level governor in the remote "troubled" province of the Roman Empire, he was caught between two worlds, and his own "comfort". The forces that put him in power in Rome, and the Jewish establishment where he "ruled".

He is a reminder of the indifference of politics, and personal gratification of power.

He represents in a way, the power and impotence of government.

There are lots of ways one can view him.
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. Our interpretations of the Bible are exactly the same as the first Christians. You Roman Catholics are the corrupters!
Your interpretations are not even the same as Protestanism 100 yrs ago. How can you say they are exactly the same as the first Christians? Haven't you read anything form the Apostolic fathers?
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You, Jethro are just like Peter before his TRUE conversion to Jesus Christ! YOU FISH AND CATCH NOTHING, very time you make a comment on this forum!!! The Only thing that you protestant "fundies"rely upon is "throwing something out" on this forum desperately "hoping" that somehow, somewhere it sticks! As I told you before, Jesus never used the word Catholic! At that time it was the ONLY Church around and it was Universal. Ignatius referred to the word Catholic in 107AD and it has been there for over 2000 years---REGARDLESS of the "editoralized (bogus history nonsense) you keep "trying to sell others" on this forum. This ridiculous "broken chain" from the Apostles that you keep "spitting out" is has "no relevance" at all when it comes to verifing, authenticating and undeniable proof of confirming the One and only TRUE Apostolic Catholic Church initiated, formed and established by Jesus Christ HIMSELF in Matthew 16:13-21. Your twisted "Church History propaganda" (never has, nor ever will) change the Historical and biblical PROVEN TRUTH of Jesus Christ and His One (and only one) TRUE Apostolic Catholic Church.
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