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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 672713 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#456566 Jun 26, 2013
[QUOTE who="New Age Spiritual LeaderI believe in a spiritual world,[/QUOTE]

Do you believe a creator created your "spirit?"
Dan

Omaha, NE

#456567 Jun 26, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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Isn't God the one answering the prayer?
I find it very revealing that, for example, as our knowledge of medicine has increased, medical miracles have decreased. Don't you find it odd that miracles become smaller and smaller and more infrequent as time goes on? When was the last time God parted a sea?
Who doesn't God regrow the severed limbs of Christian amputees? Despite the faith of the amputee, and the number of people praying for them? That would be a miracle, would it not? Yet God never favors amputees for some reason.
If God restored severed limbs for the asking, then it wouldn't be miraculous, would it?

Again, you're projecting your strictures on what God should or shouldn't do.

The amputee thing's been run out here before, BTW.

Dan

Omaha, NE

#456568 Jun 26, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="wilderide"
I'd like to know where in the Bible it ever said Mary was sinless. Like I asked Dan, if Mary was sinless, then make her the messiah. And for that matter, was Anne sinless too? How far back does this perfection go?
It doesn't say that Mary was sinless. She was a good woman, and had to meet God's approval for the task. But scripture says that "ALL have sinned and come short of (being) the glory of God."
Their argument is sort of like asking, "Which came first, the chicken or the egg?" Simple: The chicken, because God created it. The egg could not have come first because it HAD to be fertilized by another chicken, and fed and nourished by the first one.
Anne and Mary were birthed naturally.
KayMarie
KM-

"All" in your bible verse would logically include Christ.

He was or was not sinless?

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#456569 Jun 26, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
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Ahh June who knows when the end is coming..only the Father ..But it will come
Because it says so in a book written by men???

I suggest that human-created words can't manipulate nature's way.
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#456570 Jun 26, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="wilderide"
I'd like to know where in the Bible it ever said Mary was sinless. Like I asked Dan, if Mary was sinless, then make her the messiah. And for that matter, was Anne sinless too? How far back does this perfection go?
It doesn't say that Mary was sinless. She was a good woman, and had to meet God's approval for the task. But scripture says that "ALL have sinned and come short of (being) the glory of God."
Their argument is sort of like asking, "Which came first, the chicken or the egg?" Simple: The chicken, because God created it. The egg could not have come first because it HAD to be fertilized by another chicken, and fed and nourished by the first one.
Anne and Mary were birthed naturally.
KayMarie
The "all have sinned" argument doesn't work because not all have sinned.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#456571 Jun 26, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Like I said - I get it. You are the one who thinks I don't.
That would be your problem, not mine.
What are you going to do about it?
You can believe you have a spirit, but that is an emotional concept ... not a fact.

You seem to favor some myths more than others, and that simply plays into your beliefs of your present "self."

Self however, is always subject to change.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#456572 Jun 26, 2013
Dan wrote:
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It's biblically sourced.
Mmmmmm. Don't think so. Got a citation?
She was fully human, not divine, thus couldn't stand in for Jesus.
OK, within the ideology that does make sense.
We do both. We believe that we are all one community on Earth and in Heaven, thus intercessory prayer.
"All one community = intercessory prayer"? I don't understand this. If Mary was fully human, why are you praying to her? Or a saint? Isn't that idolatry? Aren't you taking away power from God and giving it to humans?

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#456573 Jun 26, 2013
Dan wrote:
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If God restored severed limbs for the asking, then it wouldn't be miraculous, would it?
Of course it would. God supposedly intervenes in many other ways, what's with the abandonment of amputees about? Not even one verifiable time? Kinda odd.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#456574 Jun 26, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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...and nothing relative to the "truth" of Jesus or his teachings. That was the point.
There you go AGAIN! Posting as though Jesus was a real character that actually spoke words to others.

Then when I state that the Jesus' myth was one of many, you write back that you KNOW that was the case.

You swing from pillar to post.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#456575 Jun 26, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Are you still there?
:o)
No ... GOD put me to death this morning after I tested his/her/it's existence.

This is my ghost posting. Needless to say NOT my "holy" ghost.

:)
Dan

Omaha, NE

#456576 Jun 26, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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Mmmmmm. Don't think so. Got a citation?
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OK, within the ideology that does make sense.
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"All one community = intercessory prayer"? I don't understand this. If Mary was fully human, why are you praying to her? Or a saint? Isn't that idolatry? Aren't you taking away power from God and giving it to humans?
Luke 1:28 (which was waterboarded all last week and I'm not doing it again-look up the belief in the Catechism if you want the detail)

Praying to the souls of the departed for their intercession and prayers. Divine worship only goes to God. Again, look up the Catechism for elaboration if you want it. It's all there.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#456577 Jun 26, 2013
From the article in the September 2010 edition of the magazine "Scientific American" ... The end or is it?... comes the following..........

Edges of Time

Well before Albert Einstein came along, philosophers through the ages had debated whether time could be mortal. Immanuel Kant considered the issue to be an “antinomy”—something you could argue both ways, leaving you not knowing what to think.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#456578 Jun 26, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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Of course it would. God supposedly intervenes in many other ways, what's with the abandonment of amputees about? Not even one verifiable time? Kinda odd.
It'd be like ordering a pizza. Call and it's there. Handy, but not miraculous.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#456579 Jun 26, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Luke 1:28 (which was waterboarded all last week and I'm not doing it again-look up the belief in the Catechism if you want the detail)
Praying to the souls of the departed for their intercession and prayers. Divine worship only goes to God. Again, look up the Catechism for elaboration if you want it. It's all there.
Luke 1:28 "The angel went to her and said,'Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.'"

From this you get that she was sinless?

Well, I sure don't see how you could get that from that passage, but if this has been beaten to death then that's OK.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#456580 Jun 26, 2013
Dan wrote:
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It'd be like ordering a pizza. Call and it's there. Handy, but not miraculous.
Then why pray at all?

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#456581 Jun 26, 2013
Dan wrote:
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It'd be like ordering a pizza. Call and it's there. Handy, but not miraculous.
BTW, are you really equating suffering and dismemberment to calling for a pizza? Really?

And if God did regrow severed limbs then that certainly would be miraculous. God will supposedly move mountains if you have faith the size of a mustard grain, and prayer is supposed to be answered. It's all set-up to work, and yet there is no discernible follow-through on God's part.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#456582 Jun 26, 2013
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Human Being wrote:
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Oxbow:
In simplist terms Acquinas explain it:
""An individual can be considered either as an individual or as part of a whole, a member of a society .... Considered in the second way an act can be his although he has not done it himself, nor has it been done by his free will but by the rest of the society or by its head, the nation being considered as doing what the prince does. For a society is considered as a single man of whom the individuals are the different members (St. Paul, 1 Corinthians 12). Thus the multitude of men who receive their human nature from Adam is to be considered as a single community or rather as a single body .... If the man, whose privation of original justice is due to Adam, is considered as a private person, this privation is not his 'fault', for a fault is essentially voluntary. If, however, we consider him as a member of the family of Adam, as if all men were only one man, then his privation partakes of the nature of sin on account of its voluntary origin, which is the actual sin of Adam" (De Malo, iv, 1)."
Where does He say: And from this day forth, all newborn will have their soul stained with the original sin of Adam/Eve....or words to that affect...

Oxbow: In simplist terms Acquinas explain it:

So...this teaching of original sin did not come from God...but it is the teaching of Acquinas???????

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#456583 Jun 26, 2013
hojo wrote:
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The only thing that makes sense to you is your "Editorialized,(bible only) inconsistent, relative truth, contradicting Protestant "Church History Book" that changes whenever and whichever direction
There is nothing else to say Ox! That about "sums it up" for you and your contradicting and inconsistent Protestant "bible only" "merry-go-round"--of 42,000 +(relative truth) denominations.
That neither qualifies...try again

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#456584 Jun 26, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Oxbow" What did Christ mean when He spoke of eating His body and drinking His blood???
We have two very interesting Old Testament references which help us to understand what Jesus is talking about. The first is in Psalm 27:2 where David is talking about the wicked who are coming against him. "When the wicked came against me to eat up my flesh, my enemies and foes, they stumbled and fell."
We have to ask ourselves, does David literally mean that these are cannibalistic enemies or is he using picture language?
He is talking here about the wicked who want to profit from his death. They want to kill David because they want to obtain some kind of benefit from his death.
This example from the Old Testament gives us an insight into what Jesus means by eating his flesh—it means to benefit from His death on the cross.
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You left out the other one. David longed for water from a certain well that was in enemy held territory. Three of his men risked their lives to go and get some of that water. He refused to drink it, pouring it out as a sacrifice to the Lord, for, he said, is this not the BLOOD of the men who brought it? II Sam. 23
KayMarie
A other senior moment!!! Thanks for your help....

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#456585 Jun 26, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Um, the Council of Nicea was a gathering of Christian bishops-not a political gathering.
Sure...Constantine and his right hand man were bishops right?
They were "ordered" by the head of state to bring all their writings "bound in leather"...Constantine gave orders to Eusebius Pamphili to use what was useful in those writings to establish a central state religion and discard(destroy) the rest. The whole meeting was like a barroom brawl, and finally Constantine (head of the empire and the meeting) became disgusted with it all, and made the irrevocable decisions that led to the "state" making the final decisions of the central beliefs and the institution of the church/state religion which was ordered to produce 50 bibles that would be accepted by the "church" (bishops), or they would risk excommunication or death.

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