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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 681609 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#456507 Jun 26, 2013
Dan wrote:
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.....and it's not a strawman.
What empirical evidence of God would suffice for you?
Well, we could start with the efficacy of prayer.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#456508 Jun 26, 2013
Hey Dan, are you a Catholic? If so, can you explain the whole Mary thing? She has such a small role in the Bible, yet such an outsized role in the Catholic church. I don't get it.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#456509 Jun 26, 2013
who="June VanDerMark"
So why aren't YOU practicing Judaism as do the Jews.
They don't practice Catholicism ... have you noticed???
And by the way, not one of you Catholics or Protestants (on the forum) have stated that Jesus converted to Christianity, but had he not, he would not support Christianity and neither would his mother, or the apostles. Judas was the only faithful Jew, because he would not leave Judaism for Catholicism.
Within Catholic "theology," Jesus and the whole flock of Jews (with the exception of Judas) became converted to Catholicism ... and you KNOW that is true.
Yet you LIE to defend your cult!

**********
Christianity is NOT a race. Jesus was born a Jew (of the tribe of Judah)...not a Judaist. If the Judaists had it 'all right', He would not have had to teach them differently.

He was born Jesus, THE CHRIST, thus was totally CHRIST-Like (ian).

He never converted to Catholicism...or any other denomination. He was, and remains, totally Christian. He said that, "salvation is of the Jews (not the Catholics, etc.).

KayMarie
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#456510 Jun 26, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
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the time is coming !!!
WHY ... because you read it in a book???

People were all packed and ready to leave because of the Mayan end of time prophecy, but it seems nothing has been learned by that misinformation.

You gloat when you say "the time is coming." It makes you feel powerful, and that is simply your arrogance playing with your own brain.

The idea that a god would destroy the earth and take some arrogant beings to an afterlife of bliss is about as ludicrous as it gets ... but you insist on playing the fool's game, as it meets your desires.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#456511 Jun 26, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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Open your window and look around, Dan. Can't you see the obvious evidence for Zeus?
If you want to call the laws of physics God, then certainly God exists. If you know of empirical evidence for an interfering deity with an unexplained interest in human affairs, which inspired the Bible and causes "miracles" and answers prayers, then by all means I'm interested in seeing that.
A short while ago, you wanted evidence of a deity.

Now, you are asking for something else (while accusing ME of constructing a straw man). You're asking for empirical evidence of certain beliefs about God, not about the existence of God.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#456512 Jun 26, 2013
From the article in the September 2010 edition of the magazine "Scientific American" ... The end or is it?... comes the following..........

Aristotle appealed to a similar principle when he argued that time can have neither beginning nor end. Every moment is both the end of an era and the start of something new; every event is both the outcome of something and the cause of something else. So how could time possibly end? What would prevent the last event in history from leading to another? Indeed, how would you even define the end of time when the very concept of “end” pre-supposes time?
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#456513 Jun 26, 2013
From the article in the September 2010 edition of the magazine "Scientific American" ... The end or is it?... comes the following..........

Edges of Time

Physicists argue it both ways. Some think time does end. The trouble with this option is that the known laws of physics operate within time and describe how things move and evolve. Time’s end points are off the reservation; they would have to be governed not just by a new law of physics but by a new type of law of physics, one that eschews temporal concepts such as motion and change in favor of timeless ones such as geometric elegance.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#456514 Jun 26, 2013
who="wilderide"
If God cannot be proved wrong, and God knows your fate in advance, then you have no free will.

********
That is silly, and you know it. It is just an argument you use to convince yourself that there is no power higher than yourself.

Did you ever forget to make the sun shine? Or keep these huge orbs spinning around in the air?

If you don't keep all of the plants pollinated, we will have famine.(Shame on you. LOL)

KayMarie
Dan

Omaha, NE

#456515 Jun 26, 2013
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
If God cannot be proved wrong, and God knows your fate in advance, then you have no free will.
God not being able to be proved wrong and being omniscient doesn't conflict with free will.

Even though God already knows what our free choices will be in the future, our choices are still ours and are still free.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#456516 Jun 26, 2013
From the article in the September 2010 edition of the magazine "Scientific American" ... The end or is it?... comes the following..........

Edges of Time

In the Aboriginal worldview there is no past, present or future—there is not even a word for time.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#456517 Jun 26, 2013
From the article in the September 2010 edition of the magazine "Scientific American" ... The end or is it?... comes the following..........

Edges of Time

Our fears of the apocalypse may in the end mirror the most fundamental fear of all: fear of our own mortality. It is all a piece—death, the dissolution of our people, the extinction of our species. Regardless of how we feel about it, flux is the nature of the world, and endings are an inescapable—and often overlooked-part of life.

Some of these endings are more probable than others. Some, such as the end of time, are downright paradoxical.

It is our nature to weave simple story from a complex set of data points.(In recent years this tendency has been amplified by news media that are very good at turning complex events into cartoon crisis.)

“It's part of the fundamental limited perspective of our species to believe that this moment is the critical one and critical in every way—for good, for bad, for the final end of humanity,” says Nicholas Christenfeld, a psychologist at the University of California, San Diego. Imagining the end of the world makes us feel special.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#456518 Jun 26, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
If you don't keep all of the plants pollinated, we will have famine.(Shame on you. LOL)
KayMarie
God has spoken through KayMarie!!!

What would happen if KayMarie couldn't preach???

WOE BE ONTO US!

By the way ... when IS that Jew coming to save you??? Have you had the word straight from Jehovah YET ... or is he keeping a tiny secret from you???

:)

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#456519 Jun 26, 2013
who="wilderide"
Well, we could start with the efficacy of prayer.

**********

Good idea. Let's start with that one. When I was three years old I had rheumatic fever, and nearly died. I was left with a heart murmur, and the doctor said that I would not live. I spent several months in bed.

One night we had company and there was a conversation that disturbed me deeply. There was always a baby at our house, and as little girls do, I loved them. Someone commented on this, and another said, "It is a pity that she will not live, and have her own."

At night I would pull the blanket over my head so no one else would hear; then I would pray, "Dear God, please let me live and have children."

My life was uncertain for years, but I finally reached age 19, only to have the family doctor tell me that I should never have children.

To make a long story short, I gave birth to SEVEN children, and God graciously gave me two more by way of adoption.

I was not an adult trying to shape a religious belief. I was a little child, asking God to give me children.

'Nother question???

KayMarie
Dan

Omaha, NE

#456520 Jun 26, 2013
wilderide wrote:
Hey Dan, are you a Catholic? If so, can you explain the whole Mary thing? She has such a small role in the Bible, yet such an outsized role in the Catholic church. I don't get it.
Yes, I'm Catholic.

We believe she had a large role in Christ's coming.

We believe she was conceived without sin and was the ark of Christ's New Covenant.

The Church venerates her for her role.

That's the EXTREMELY short form.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#456521 Jun 26, 2013
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, we could start with the efficacy of prayer.
To what extent?

I mean, how effective is "effective", right?
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#456522 Jun 26, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
God not being able to be proved wrong
OH, but had he existed he WAS proved wrong! He claimed the Jews were his chosen few, and the Catholics corrected him by writing a new testament, and insisting that they would become his chosen few.

Athanasian Creed

1. Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >

In order to save his self, Jesus would have to BE a Catholic. It's a darn good thing that John the Baptist got to him before it was too late. Jesus couldn't have saved his own soul had he not converted to Catholicism.

:)

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#456523 Jun 26, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
Just to answer for myself, just in case this helps you discern "Why"....
I have no fun doing "the picking apart", but actually found the astonishment in why men have dictated to others what to believe.
Yes - like you and your belief.
Think of my posts as a positive reinforcement of Self and how your decisions to do things were ONLY YOURS and the result of you choosing to follow an INCOMPLETE belief.
My posts are the remaining pieces of the puzzle that one needs to really achieve astonishment and enlightenment.
Take it or leave it.....but ironically - the choice is still yours.
Self.
No religion required.
Why didn't you research the belief you have prior to joining your sect?
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
You are mistaken ..No one here ..least if all me is dictating that you believe anything
This statement has nothing to do with the post I made.
Maybe if you reread my post and then answer with a correlating response, it would keep our discussion moving forward.
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>..it would be beneficial for anyone to believe in the Redemtion offered by Christ
BUT NO ONE CAN DICTATE BELIEF. IT is free choice for sure.
Again, men have dictating to you on what you are to believe. It is true, you can accept that doctrine and dogma, or you won't - it is a choice. A choice of Self to agree or disagree. If you choose yes, you agree that those men have chosen a belief you will run with. If you disagree, in which I have, one should do so, because the person now doesn't allow someone to tell them what to believe.
This si the difference between you (and many others) and I. I don't accept nor do I believe everything men have decided upon for the Bible as "truth".
If you were in the slightest bit honest, you would also agree.
- Just because the Levitical laws are bogus, is proof enough that "the Bible is in error".
- Many so-called "Christians" refuse to accept this, so they continue to wear blinders on their eyes when they exclaim, "The Bible is truth". It is far from it.
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>curious I guess as to why it is so important that you deny ours.that's all.
Because it is incomplete and causes people to be dishonest with themselves and others, and I really think it is a time for a change to the people of Earth. Open your eyes - because these two traits are why peace is never achieved. People prefer to be selfish and exhibit this selfishness with, "My God is better than yours" or "My religion is better than yours".
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>It's like you have an a agenda in coming on a religious forum to argue again as t God..
Well considering this Apostles vision, spoken to him by Jesus, states "God" was a mistake.
I believe Jesus. Don't you?
Don't you believe "John"? You do with his NT gospel, why not this one? Do you think separating the beliefs of "John" because men told you to would cause "John" to not be as holy, because one of the texts attributred to him is considered "hereticial" by men?
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/apocjn-long.htm...
Do you have a specific statement by "God" that shows this text to be hereitcal?
Have you even researched what is heretical and what is not, as dictated by men to be?
Oops - we are now back at you following men. Damn that free choice you made!
Self.
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>Have at it but don't fool yourself.
I don't fool myself nor have I fooled you or anyone. I don't lie, and am always honest with the ones I converse with.
Maybe you are just projecting your own fears of "fooling me".
Maybe you don't really know the religion you so highly tout, because of all the posts above you made to me, were all against me and not the topic of this forum.
Did I say something that upset you and caused you to do this?

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“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#456524 Jun 26, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
A short while ago, you wanted evidence of a deity.
Now, you are asking for something else (while accusing ME of constructing a straw man). You're asking for empirical evidence of certain beliefs about God, not about the existence of God.
No, they would be evidence for the Abrahamic God. I was not asking for evidence for the existence of any deity. You need to know the nature of the deity in order to know what evidence to look for. We know the characteristics of the Abrahamic deity via the Bible and the claims made by those who believe in it.
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#456525 Jun 26, 2013
marge wrote:
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Must agree with what is written;
'So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you are judged.'
Jesus says in scripture the bread is His body, the wine His blood. He says His flesh is real food and His blood real drink and that we must eat and drink His flesh and blood to have eternal life.

The oral tradition says the exact same thing.

You say "it's symbolic and figurative!!!"

But scripture DOES NOT say it's symbolic or figurative. Oral tradition says it's NOT symbolic or figurative.

What you say doesn't agree with scripture.

What we say agrees with scripture AND tradition.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#456526 Jun 26, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
To what extent?
I mean, how effective is "effective", right?
How effective is God?

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