Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.
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New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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You are still applying Self - no matter how you express it.
It all begins and ends with you.
The choices you make.
The actions you take.
The actions you don't take.
You can run, but it will always be with you. Self.
No organized religion is required.
ALL religion is "organized" in the mindset of the individual believer.

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New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:

Maybe I should have been clearer.
One does not need "organized religion"?
Do you always allow men to decide what you are to believe?
If the answer is "no", then Self has interjected.
Human Being wrote:
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New Age Spiritual Leader
But how much poorer in our understanding would we be, for lack of perspective through time if we did not have organized religion?
Great question. In fact, this is a question that many refuse to ponder too long on, because they are biased in their belief. I'm glad you put it out here for others to at read.

IMO - I believe religion hinders the potentials of human ingenuity, because religion places qualifiers on an individual and the control a person applies. If religion was not such an intrusive entity, we would have advanced much further.
Human Being wrote:
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Being self/Self aware, and forgetting everything else is sort of a mind game, and lends oneself to be easily manipulated. There is a sense of isolation, when in fact Creation has a sort of flow.

Who said about "forgetting everything else"? I sue in the hell didn't.

Maybe this is the ruse that has plagued so-called "Christians" for so long, they forgot they make the choices they do.

Hmmmm.....honesty is a key factor here.
Human Being wrote:
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If you don't know where you came from, then how will you get to where you want to go?
By seeking out the truth.

If the turh is unrecoverable, and an individual rests on what he/she determines is the result, event hough they have not "recovered the truth", how is that they can exclaim they have that supposed truth?
Human Being wrote:
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So without organized religion, there is a lack of dimension in our lives.
Untrue. You make the dimensions of your life. It is not defined by religion. This is just another fallacy religion puts forth....."We have the truth, come to us and we'll tell you it."
Human Being wrote:
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But also I would agree with you that one can be distracted by organized religion from seeking a goal, and be in a sense "content" without moving toward a goal.


One shoud research that which they want to believe FIRST and not after the fact.
Human Being wrote:
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Of course I call that being "at one" with God. You may call it..., Self.

You may call it anything you choose, as we both truly don't have a clear or decisive conclusion that would make it 100% true.
Human Being wrote:
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I call it worship, you may call it enlightenment.
So we beg to differ. Its fine with me.
I'm okay with it, too. We all get to believe what we want.

Which is ultimately Self.

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confrinting with the word wrote:
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What you are saying, is that your church is built by and on men, and you trust their words instead of His. You are trusting the words of men about whom you know nothing.
KayMarie
You are the same, but you don't WANT to see it.

All words were written by humans. They CLAIMED that gods spoke to them and they wrote stories and more stories of what the gods SAID to them. It was as "simple" as THAT!

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New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
I'm okay with it, too. We all get to believe what we want.
Which is ultimately Self.
I'm NOT okay with people believing that gods are ordering them how to behave.

Too many people have taken control over others by believing that a god has ordained them to follow his will. Then they want to go out and convert, or to the extreme force others to follow their own paths.

Ridiculous!

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I don't believe in your image of a god, any more than I believe in the Muslim's or the Jews' or the Hindu's image of a god or gods.
It's your baby ... you nurture it and deal with it if it continues to please your desires.
We All are very aware of your belief..And that you have no idea WHY we believe.
I was offering you some insight.

You seem to place great store in what you read.

Only offering you one page that might explain:)

Did you read it .
Unfortunately with this device . I cannot do a God job if cut and paste.

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I'm NOT okay with people believing that gods are ordering them how to behave.
Too many people have taken control over others by believing that a god has ordained them to follow his will. Then they want to go out and convert, or to the extreme force others to follow their own paths.
Ridiculous!
The RIDICULOUS ONE IS YOU....

Psa_53:1 A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Pro_10:23 It is as sport to a fool to do mischief: but a man of understanding hath wisdom.

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Unfortunately, you forgot to read the ENTIRE New Testament regarding the Universal Church that Jesus Christ HIMSELF initiated and established in Matthew 16:13-21. In Acts 2 the the Church that Jesus formed was heiarchical, authoritive, visible Church with Bishops, priests, elders and deacons. The Apostles that taught and led the Church were ALL Bishops. There is absolutely NOTHING in the bible that describes The Universal (Catholic) Church inItitated by Christ as being held together "loosely" in the bible alone. WHY!!! Because there was NO bible (as we know it today) being "handed out" by the Apostles to ANYONE, ANYWHERE for over 1600 years. Furthermore: Paul calls the CHURCH (not the bible) the pillar, pinnacle and foundation of the TRUTH! Your "bible only" conclusions are (exactly) what happens when you decide to "throw out the Historical and Biblical TRUTH of the 1st 1500 years of Jesus Christs One True Apostolic Catholic Church, in place of your own "editorializing" the interpretation of the bible and "making up" your own bible Only Protestant History book.
And that may be exactly exactly why Reformers were needed.

There was scripture but not for the people to read

Admittedly nor all people read nor was there a printing press. The Church fought against discrimination as soon as these works were available.

Groups like the Waldensians had to hide their cookies of scripture and them selves from the time if Constantine.They spread the word going village to village like the original disciple..And were hunted down fir their trouble

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch...

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The RIDICULOUS ONE IS YOU....
Psa_53:1 A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
Pro_10:23 It is as sport to a fool to do mischief: but a man of understanding hath wisdom.
There are three videos showing the history of these brave Christians..the story moved me greatly..Called the Israel if the Alps ..

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch...
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I'm NOT okay with people believing that gods are ordering them how to behave.
Too many people have taken control over others by believing that a god has ordained them to follow his will. Then they want to go out and convert, or to the extreme force others to follow their own paths.
Ridiculous!
Well now you tell me!

I wouldn't be in this fix if you hadn't pushed me into the ministy!

Thanks a lot June!

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who="June VanDerMark"
You are the same, but you don't WANT to see it.
All words were written by humans. They CLAIMED that gods spoke to them and they wrote stories and more stories of what the gods SAID to them. It was as "simple" as THAT!

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Not so, June. I find His word to 'work', and have some 'very alive' experiences with Him that verify His Word and His Presence.

So...you write, and I see your words, but I do not know you. His Word is different, it is alive because He is alive, and is not (like yours) just words on paper.

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And that may be exactly exactly why Reformers were needed.
There was scripture but not for the people to read
Admittedly nor all people read nor was there a printing press. The Church fought against discrimination as soon as these works were available.
Groups like the Waldensians had to hide their cookies of scripture and them selves from the time if Constantine.They spread the word going village to village like the original disciple..And were hunted down fir their trouble
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch...
Ugh come on Rose. Its very important for the Christian to be interested in truth. You guys take the Holy Scriptures completely out of context.
I don't know much about the Waldenesians. But if they were preaching truth about scripture, then Holy Spirit would have guided them thru any difficult times.
I'm guessing they were tons of groups or cults if you will. Heck, there is over 45,000 today.
The Apostles revealed Christianity by word of mouth and letter. They established a visible hierarchy and passed the keys unto them. This is truth.

One more thing Rose..Constantine was already dead when the Bible was compiled.
I just don't understand the Biblical ignorance from your camp. Its almost like y'all replace God with the Bible. I know, I know 'its His word'. I agree. But that title is taken to a entire different level by the fundamentalist.
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You have no life outside this thread you poor dear.
so you lot in life is to try and bring people in to the man made hell you have created for yourself.
I guess misery really does like company.
LTM,if you can get a hold of the Book,Petrus Romanus,by Thomas Horn and Cris Putnam,get it and read it.It is a wealth of fact.Although I must say they make mistakes.You have to read objectively.It is a good book,naturally at times boring.I have been reading it,takes up much of my free time.
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There are three videos showing the history of these brave Christians..the story moved me greatly..Called the Israel if the Alps ..
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch...
If they weren't preaching what the Apostles preached, then they weren't really Christians. That probably explains why their 'church' never made it out of the Alps. I'm sure they were nice people, but Jesus didn't promise to protect them from error. The Church Peter organized was promised that.
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We All are very aware of your belief..And that you have no idea WHY we believe.
I was offering you some insight.
You seem to place great store in what you read.
Only offering you one page that might explain:)
Did you read it .
Unfortunately with this device . I cannot do a God job if cut and paste.
This is a cantankerous old woman who has nothing better to do all day then to stir up mischief.
I feel very sorry for her, she believes in nothing.
She gets her kicks from arguing, after awhile people will get tired and stop talking to her and she will go away.
In the mean time God is using her to get us to search scripture, to bring us to maturity and help our faith to grow in Him.
This woman thinks she is making a fool out of God's word, but God is still in control.
Just leave her to her misery she seems to enjoy it.
It's really all she has.
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And that may be exactly exactly why Reformers were needed.
There was scripture but not for the people to read
Admittedly nor all people read nor was there a printing press. The Church fought against discrimination as soon as these works were available.
Groups like the Waldensians had to hide their cookies of scripture and them selves from the time if Constantine.They spread the word going village to village like the original disciple..And were hunted down fir their trouble
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch...
Ahh soaking up the false legends created by radical Baptists I see. Then there is real history.

It is clear that the Waldenses were far less heretical than the Cathars and agreed, at least in the early years of their history, with the Roman Catholic Church on most points of doctrine. This is to be expected, since Waldo hoped to gain papal approval for his movement
In a statement of faith submitted to the bishop of Albano, Peter Waldo affirmed his belief in transubstantiation, prayers for the dead, and infant baptism.[13] The famed Baptist historian A.H. Newman drew the only conclusion warranted by the evidence.

"Waldo and his early followers had more in common with...Roman Catholicism than with any evangelical party. His views of life and doctrine were scarcely in advance of many earnest Catholics of the time."

During the period of coexistence with the Roman Catholic Church, the Waldenses did not deny the power of the Catholic priesthood and the validity of the sacraments it dispensed. Only after the rupture became irreparable, however, did they denounce the papacy as anti-Christ and claimed that the Waldense Church was THE body of Christ, outside of which there was no salvation. Romanism was viewed as the Beast of the Apocalypse, and Pope Sylvester I was regarded as the first Antichrist.[19]

In the matter of baptism, the Waldenses became divided among themselves. The early Waldenses maintained the view that baptism is essential for salvation, and they administered it to infants. David of Augsburg and the anonymous author from Passau, however, reported that the Waldenses demanded believer's baptism and therefore rebaptized those who had received the sacrament in infancy. Passau Anonymous also indicated that some Waldenses used the laying on of hands as a substitute for water baptism, but it appears that he confused the Waldenses' practice with that of the Albigenses.

It is evident that many Waldenses retained the traditional practice of pedobaptism, while a minority faction discarded that in favor of believer's baptism. The latter were, however, the innovaters who altered the original practice of the sect. The modern Waldense Church in Italy continues to baptize infants.

Neither Waldo nor his early disciples could have subscribed to any historic Baptist confession of faith, and those doctrines that are peculiarly baptistic would have been unacceptable to Waldenses in any period of their history. Although successionists have hailed them as Baptists, medieval Waldenses were quite similar to the Catholic Franciscans, those of the Reformation were akin to Presbyterians, and those of today have become Methodists.

http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/num3.htm

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We All are very aware of your belief..And that you have no idea WHY we believe.
I was offering you some insight.
You were "offering" your own "spiritual" beliefs in hopes that it would replace the religious beliefs of others that YOU find offensive.
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<quoted text>LTM,if you can get a hold of the Book,Petrus Romanus,by Thomas Horn and Cris Putnam,get it and read it.It is a wealth of fact.Although I must say they make mistakes.You have to read objectively.It is a good book,naturally at times boring.I have been reading it,takes up much of my free time.
Thank you Pad I will, I love to read when I am in bed at night it relaxes me; LOL I will fall asleep through the boring parts.
I went shopping yesterday filled up the freeze, then the hydro went out. Its back on now but I was concerned for awhile.

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He did NOT do it before she said be it done to me.
Yes actually, God supposedly did.
And yes God knee she would say yes.
How do you know this? There is much evidence in the Bible that God does not, in fact, know the future.
She was chosen long before.
She was a direct descendant of King David betrothed yo another descendant of King David.
There were many descendants of David, not just those two. And by the way, Joseph was not Jesus' father anyway, which is another reason that he would not qualify as the savior, according to Hebrew prophesy.

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If they weren't preaching what the Apostles preached, then they weren't really Christians.
This im-"poster" insults the image of Jesus every time he insinuates that Jesus left his Jews in the dust to follow John the Baptist's Catholicism.

Yet he claims to idolize that worship and serve that Jew with his faithful dogma the is off "limits" TO Jews.

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One is not saved by faith, or faith and works. One is saved by God's Grace.
That misses the point. How does one receive or earn God's grace? Faith? Or faith and works?
It is through faith in Christ one is saved, and thus one exhibits works comparable to one's faith.
Then you are saying that faith is the only thing required, and that while works may result, they are not necessary for salvation.

That contradicts the many, many passages that directly state that both faith and works are required. Would you like me to list them?

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