Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#455804 Jun 24, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:

Maybe I should have been clearer.
One does not need "organized religion"?
Do you always allow men to decide what you are to believe?
If the answer is "no", then Self has interjected.
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Preston you are a bit of a hypocrite don't you think? You are a 'man' and you injected yourself into Christian belief. You obvously attempt to tell others what to believe about the Bible and when they reject your interpretations you call them idiots.
I'll say it for you, Clay - "Oops - I'm sorry - this was meant to be to Preston."

My sincerest apologies Ne Age.

Thanks Clay!

:o)

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#455805 Jun 24, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
June:
It is a bit of cultural etiquette for someone to defer being correct and demanding everyone to follow. Rather it is better to invite someone to follow their words and ways to find out the truth of matters.
So I prefer not to impose my views on others, and let them discover for themselves what is true and not true.
While there are some posters that prefer to demand, and have no respect for etiquette, at times, I respond in like, by demanding, not for my own self, but that they might relate to what I say.(In general, I cannot keep up this sort of communicating for long. It just goes against my nature.)
I am not under any pretense of being "nice", in order to "win" souls. I am who I am. And there are times when I do get frustrated and depressed, and even angry. I am not to proud to not admit it, but I have recourse with God through Jesus Christ in repentance, and penance with Him in such matters.
I am not "Ink".
UH HUH!

And after this new speech, you still believe that you will be rewarded with eternal bliss and others will be fodder for the devil's hell.

I don't perceive that your smooth words are at all charming or enticing.

I would equate you to an arrogant shyster who uses words as play-things to in turn benefit only your own play-pen.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#455806 Jun 24, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
My bad, I thought i was posting to Preston.
But New Age, you are a hypocrite too. You DO follow men.
Sorry - I don't believe you.

:o)

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#455807 Jun 24, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
New Age Spiritual Leader:
You are correct. Its a bad habit.
But there are times when talking in the third person just doesn't get the point across.
You are still applying Self - no matter how you express it.

It all begins and ends with you.

The choices you make.
The actions you take.
The actions you don't take.

You can run, but it will always be with you. Self.

No organized religion is required.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#455808 Jun 24, 2013
who="hojo"
Unfortunately, you forgot to read the ENTIRE New Testament regarding the Universal Church that Jesus Christ HIMSELF initiated and established in Matthew 16:13-21. In Acts 2 the the Church that Jesus formed was heiarchical, authoritive, visible Church with Bishops, priests, elders and deacons. The Apostles that taught and led the Church were ALL Bishops. There is absolutely NOTHING in the bible that describes The Universal (Catholic) Church inItitated by Christ as being held together "loosely" in the bible alone. WHY!!! Because there was NO bible (as we know it today) being "handed out" by the Apostles to ANYONE, ANYWHERE for over 1600 years. Furthermore: Paul calls the CHURCH (not the bible) the pillar, pinnacle and foundation of the TRUTH! Your "bible only" conclusions are (exactly) what happens when you decide to "throw out the Historical and Biblical TRUTH of the 1st 1500 years of Jesus Christs One True Apostolic Catholic Church, in place of your own "editorializing" the interpretation of the bible and "making up" your own bible Only Protestant History book.
**********
Hojo...when the church fathers compiled the Bible, they were determining the validity of things preached.(I doubt that those 'fathers' were all RC; else the outcome would have been quite different.) They included the books/letters that were accepted, and left out the ones that were repetitious or questionable.

What you are saying, is that your church is built by and on men, and you trust their words instead of His. You are trusting the words of men about whom you know nothing.

KayMarie

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#455809 Jun 24, 2013
Do you see how (within the theology) they turned Peter the Jew into the first pope as a Catholic Christian ... simply by the stroke of their busy PENS?

That was not based on truth. That was based on Catholic skullduggery.

All of you KNOW ... whether you are Catholic OR Protestant ... you would be faithful to your own religions.

Yet you take that AWAY from the Jews when you BELIEVE and continue to promote the gossip that they converted "willingly" to Christianity.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>

Signs & Symbols in Christian Art

The Saints

St. Peter

At the pleas of his Christian followers, the Apostle agreed to flee the city

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#455810 Jun 24, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
You are still applying Self - no matter how you express it.
It all begins and ends with you.
The choices you make.
The actions you take.
The actions you don't take.
You can run, but it will always be with you. Self.
No organized religion is required.
ALL religion is "organized" in the mindset of the individual believer.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#455811 Jun 24, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:

Maybe I should have been clearer.
One does not need "organized religion"?
Do you always allow men to decide what you are to believe?
If the answer is "no", then Self has interjected.
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
New Age Spiritual Leader
But how much poorer in our understanding would we be, for lack of perspective through time if we did not have organized religion?
Great question. In fact, this is a question that many refuse to ponder too long on, because they are biased in their belief. I'm glad you put it out here for others to at read.

IMO - I believe religion hinders the potentials of human ingenuity, because religion places qualifiers on an individual and the control a person applies. If religion was not such an intrusive entity, we would have advanced much further.
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
Being self/Self aware, and forgetting everything else is sort of a mind game, and lends oneself to be easily manipulated. There is a sense of isolation, when in fact Creation has a sort of flow.

Who said about "forgetting everything else"? I sue in the hell didn't.

Maybe this is the ruse that has plagued so-called "Christians" for so long, they forgot they make the choices they do.

Hmmmm.....honesty is a key factor here.
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
If you don't know where you came from, then how will you get to where you want to go?
By seeking out the truth.

If the turh is unrecoverable, and an individual rests on what he/she determines is the result, event hough they have not "recovered the truth", how is that they can exclaim they have that supposed truth?
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
So without organized religion, there is a lack of dimension in our lives.
Untrue. You make the dimensions of your life. It is not defined by religion. This is just another fallacy religion puts forth....."We have the truth, come to us and we'll tell you it."
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
But also I would agree with you that one can be distracted by organized religion from seeking a goal, and be in a sense "content" without moving toward a goal.


One shoud research that which they want to believe FIRST and not after the fact.
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course I call that being "at one" with God. You may call it..., Self.

You may call it anything you choose, as we both truly don't have a clear or decisive conclusion that would make it 100% true.
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
I call it worship, you may call it enlightenment.
So we beg to differ. Its fine with me.
I'm okay with it, too. We all get to believe what we want.

Which is ultimately Self.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#455812 Jun 24, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="hojo"
What you are saying, is that your church is built by and on men, and you trust their words instead of His. You are trusting the words of men about whom you know nothing.
KayMarie
You are the same, but you don't WANT to see it.

All words were written by humans. They CLAIMED that gods spoke to them and they wrote stories and more stories of what the gods SAID to them. It was as "simple" as THAT!

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#455813 Jun 24, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
I'm okay with it, too. We all get to believe what we want.
Which is ultimately Self.
I'm NOT okay with people believing that gods are ordering them how to behave.

Too many people have taken control over others by believing that a god has ordained them to follow his will. Then they want to go out and convert, or to the extreme force others to follow their own paths.

Ridiculous!

“HAVE A BLESSED ”

Since: Aug 08

New Year

#455814 Jun 24, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't believe in your image of a god, any more than I believe in the Muslim's or the Jews' or the Hindu's image of a god or gods.
It's your baby ... you nurture it and deal with it if it continues to please your desires.
We All are very aware of your belief..And that you have no idea WHY we believe.
I was offering you some insight.

You seem to place great store in what you read.

Only offering you one page that might explain:)

Did you read it .
Unfortunately with this device . I cannot do a God job if cut and paste.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#455815 Jun 24, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm NOT okay with people believing that gods are ordering them how to behave.
Too many people have taken control over others by believing that a god has ordained them to follow his will. Then they want to go out and convert, or to the extreme force others to follow their own paths.
Ridiculous!
The RIDICULOUS ONE IS YOU....

Psa_53:1 A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Pro_10:23 It is as sport to a fool to do mischief: but a man of understanding hath wisdom.

“HAVE A BLESSED ”

Since: Aug 08

New Year

#455816 Jun 24, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Unfortunately, you forgot to read the ENTIRE New Testament regarding the Universal Church that Jesus Christ HIMSELF initiated and established in Matthew 16:13-21. In Acts 2 the the Church that Jesus formed was heiarchical, authoritive, visible Church with Bishops, priests, elders and deacons. The Apostles that taught and led the Church were ALL Bishops. There is absolutely NOTHING in the bible that describes The Universal (Catholic) Church inItitated by Christ as being held together "loosely" in the bible alone. WHY!!! Because there was NO bible (as we know it today) being "handed out" by the Apostles to ANYONE, ANYWHERE for over 1600 years. Furthermore: Paul calls the CHURCH (not the bible) the pillar, pinnacle and foundation of the TRUTH! Your "bible only" conclusions are (exactly) what happens when you decide to "throw out the Historical and Biblical TRUTH of the 1st 1500 years of Jesus Christs One True Apostolic Catholic Church, in place of your own "editorializing" the interpretation of the bible and "making up" your own bible Only Protestant History book.
And that may be exactly exactly why Reformers were needed.

There was scripture but not for the people to read

Admittedly nor all people read nor was there a printing press. The Church fought against discrimination as soon as these works were available.

Groups like the Waldensians had to hide their cookies of scripture and them selves from the time if Constantine.They spread the word going village to village like the original disciple..And were hunted down fir their trouble

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch...

“HAVE A BLESSED ”

Since: Aug 08

New Year

#455817 Jun 24, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
The RIDICULOUS ONE IS YOU....
Psa_53:1 A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
Pro_10:23 It is as sport to a fool to do mischief: but a man of understanding hath wisdom.
There are three videos showing the history of these brave Christians..the story moved me greatly..Called the Israel if the Alps ..

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch...
Jumper The Wise

Owensboro, KY

#455818 Jun 24, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm NOT okay with people believing that gods are ordering them how to behave.
Too many people have taken control over others by believing that a god has ordained them to follow his will. Then they want to go out and convert, or to the extreme force others to follow their own paths.
Ridiculous!
Well now you tell me!

I wouldn't be in this fix if you hadn't pushed me into the ministy!

Thanks a lot June!

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#455819 Jun 24, 2013
who="June VanDerMark"
You are the same, but you don't WANT to see it.
All words were written by humans. They CLAIMED that gods spoke to them and they wrote stories and more stories of what the gods SAID to them. It was as "simple" as THAT!

**********
Not so, June. I find His word to 'work', and have some 'very alive' experiences with Him that verify His Word and His Presence.

So...you write, and I see your words, but I do not know you. His Word is different, it is alive because He is alive, and is not (like yours) just words on paper.

KayMarie
Clay

Brooklyn, NY

#455820 Jun 24, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
And that may be exactly exactly why Reformers were needed.
There was scripture but not for the people to read
Admittedly nor all people read nor was there a printing press. The Church fought against discrimination as soon as these works were available.
Groups like the Waldensians had to hide their cookies of scripture and them selves from the time if Constantine.They spread the word going village to village like the original disciple..And were hunted down fir their trouble
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch...
Ugh come on Rose. Its very important for the Christian to be interested in truth. You guys take the Holy Scriptures completely out of context.
I don't know much about the Waldenesians. But if they were preaching truth about scripture, then Holy Spirit would have guided them thru any difficult times.
I'm guessing they were tons of groups or cults if you will. Heck, there is over 45,000 today.
The Apostles revealed Christianity by word of mouth and letter. They established a visible hierarchy and passed the keys unto them. This is truth.

One more thing Rose..Constantine was already dead when the Bible was compiled.
I just don't understand the Biblical ignorance from your camp. Its almost like y'all replace God with the Bible. I know, I know 'its His word'. I agree. But that title is taken to a entire different level by the fundamentalist.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#455821 Jun 24, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
You have no life outside this thread you poor dear.
so you lot in life is to try and bring people in to the man made hell you have created for yourself.
I guess misery really does like company.
LTM,if you can get a hold of the Book,Petrus Romanus,by Thomas Horn and Cris Putnam,get it and read it.It is a wealth of fact.Although I must say they make mistakes.You have to read objectively.It is a good book,naturally at times boring.I have been reading it,takes up much of my free time.
Clay

Brooklyn, NY

#455822 Jun 24, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
There are three videos showing the history of these brave Christians..the story moved me greatly..Called the Israel if the Alps ..
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch...
If they weren't preaching what the Apostles preached, then they weren't really Christians. That probably explains why their 'church' never made it out of the Alps. I'm sure they were nice people, but Jesus didn't promise to protect them from error. The Church Peter organized was promised that.
LTM

Chelmsford, Canada

#455823 Jun 24, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
We All are very aware of your belief..And that you have no idea WHY we believe.
I was offering you some insight.
You seem to place great store in what you read.
Only offering you one page that might explain:)
Did you read it .
Unfortunately with this device . I cannot do a God job if cut and paste.
This is a cantankerous old woman who has nothing better to do all day then to stir up mischief.
I feel very sorry for her, she believes in nothing.
She gets her kicks from arguing, after awhile people will get tired and stop talking to her and she will go away.
In the mean time God is using her to get us to search scripture, to bring us to maturity and help our faith to grow in Him.
This woman thinks she is making a fool out of God's word, but God is still in control.
Just leave her to her misery she seems to enjoy it.
It's really all she has.

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