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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 683488 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Jumper The Wise

Morgantown, KY

#456000 Jun 24, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text> ... blah, blah, blah.
That's the best thing you said lately.
Jumper The Wise

Morgantown, KY

#456001 Jun 24, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
That Christians are of the Jewish nation would be quite a surprise to the faithful Jews. Especially as the Christians slaughtered the Jews century after century as being Christ-killers.
Hey. They had plenty of time to deside.Don't go judging leaet you be judged.
LTM

Kingston, Canada

#456002 Jun 24, 2013
StarC wrote:
<quoted text>
As do we pray to God alone. Not that it matters,…..can you explain Rev 8:3??
While your added it explain Rev 5:11-14 too.
The role of our Blessed Mother and other Saints is to bring followers for her son The Christ!
To deny that Saints and others are not with Christ, is to deny Christ’s promised.
To the thief on the cross “today you will be with me in paradise.’
SO YES, SAINTS HEAR OUR PRAYERS!!!!!!!!!
The new 21st century churches can not go around changing rules.
We go by what the Apostles were taught by Jesus himself.
Your interpretation of the Bible does not count! Sorry!
Rev 8:

Verses 3-6

In these verses we have the prelude to the sounding of the trumpets in several parts.

I. The opening of the last seal. This was to introduce a new set of prophetical iconisms and events; there is a continued chain of providence, one part linked to another (where one ends another begins), and, though they may differ in nature and in time, they all make up one wise, well-connected, uniform design in the hand of God.

II. A profound silence in heaven for the space of half an hour, which may be understood either, 1. Of the silence of peace, that for this time no complaints were sent up to the ear of the Lord God of sabaoth; all was quiet and well in the church, and therefore all silent in heaven, for whenever the church on earth cries, through oppression, that cry comes up to heaven and resounds there; or, 2. A silence of expectation; great things were upon the wheel of providence, and the church of God, both in heaven and earth, stood silent, as became them, to see what God was doing, according to that of Zech. 2:13; Be silent, O all flesh, before the Lord, for he has risen up out of his holy habitation. And elsewhere, Be still, and know that I am God.

III. The trumpets were delivered to the angels who were to sound them. Still the angels are employed as the wise and willing instruments of divine Providence, and they are furnished with all their materials and instructions from God our Saviour. As the angels of the churches are to sound the trumpet of the gospel, the angels of heaven are to sound the trumpet of Providence, and every one has his part given him.

cont
LTM

Kingston, Canada

#456003 Jun 24, 2013
cont

IV. To prepare for this, another angel must first offer incense, Rev. 8:3. It is very probable that this other angel is the Lord Jesus, the high priest of the church, who is here described in his sacerdotal office, having a golden censer and much incense, a fulness of merit in his own glorious person, and this incense he was to offer up, with the prayers of all the saints, upon the golden altar of his divine nature. Observe, 1. All the saints are a praying people; none of the children of God are born dumb, a Spirit of grace is always a Spirit of adoption and supplication, teaching us to cry, Abba, Father. Ps. 32:6; For this shall every one that is godly pray unto thee. 2. Times of danger should be praying times, and so should times of great expectation; both our fears and our hopes should put us upon prayer, and, where the interest of the church of God is deeply concerned, the hearts of the people of God in prayer should be greatly enlarged. 3. The prayers of the saints themselves stand in need of the incense and intercession of Christ to make them acceptable and effectual, and there is provision made by Christ for that purpose; he has his incense, his censer, and his altar; he is all himself to his people. 4. The prayers of the saints come up before God in a cloud of incense; no prayer, thus recommended, was ever denied audience or acceptance. 5. These prayers that were thus accepted in heaven produced great changes upon earth in return to them; the same angel that in his censer offered up the prayers of the saints in the same censer took of the fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth, and this presently caused strange commotions, voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake; these were the answers God gave to the prayers of the saints, and tokens of his anger against the world and that he would do great things to avenge himself and his people of their enemies; and now, all things being thus prepared, the angels discharge their duty.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#456004 Jun 24, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Clay "
Lol!! Exactly, Christ did not build a denomination!
You're on a roll. Keep it coming.
**********
Christ did not build a denomination...true...BUT THE RCC DID.
KayMarie
~~~

The Roman Catholic religious is in the same condition as Israel

They have refused to accept Jesus Christ as He is sent to be the savior

of the world...

Rom 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and

going about to establish their own righteousness,

have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
LTM

Kingston, Canada

#456005 Jun 24, 2013
Cont
StarC this is talking about God's judgement upon the earth, THE PRAYERS ARE GOING UP BEFORE GOD FROM EARTH.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#456006 Jun 24, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
You look really good with egg all over your face...keep it up....
I'm not going to become involved in your tit for tat childish games again.
Go and find a 10 year old to play with.
LTM

Kingston, Canada

#456007 Jun 24, 2013
CONT
REV 5:Verses 6-14

Here, I. The apostle beholds this book taken into the hands of the Lord Jesus Christ, in order to its being unsealed and opened by him. Here Christ is described, 1. By his place and station: In the midst of the throne, and of the four beasts, and of the elders. He was on the same throne with the Father; he was nearer to him than either the elders or ministers of the churches. Christ, as man and Mediator, is subordinate to God the Father, but is nearer to him than all the creatures; for in him all the fulness of the Godhead dwells bodily. The ministers stand between God and the people. Christ stands as the Mediator between God and both ministers and people. 2. The form in which he appeared. Before he is called a lion; here he appears as a lamb slain. He is a lion to conquer Satan, a lamb to satisfy the justice of God. He appears with the marks of his sufferings upon him, to show that he interceded in heaven in the virtue of his satisfaction. He appears as a lamb, having seven horns and seven eyes, perfect power to execute all the will of God and perfect wisdom to understand it all and to do it in the most effectual manner; for he hath the seven Spirits of God, he has received the Holy Spirit without measure, in all perfection of light, and life, and power, by which he is able to teach and rule all parts of the earth. 3. He is described by his act and deed: He came, and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat on the throne (Rev. 5:7), not by violence, nor by fraud, but he prevailed to do it (as Rev. 5:5), he prevailed by his merit and worthiness, he did it by authority and by the Father’s appointment. God very willingly and justly put the book of his eternal counsels into the hand of Christ, and Christ as readily and gladly took it into his hand; for he delights to reveal and to do the will of his Father.
CONT
LTM

Kingston, Canada

#456008 Jun 24, 2013
CONT
II. The apostle observes the universal joy and thanksgiving that filled heaven and earth upon this transaction. No sooner had Christ received this book out of the Father’s hand than he received the applauses and adorations of angels and men, yea, of every creature. And, indeed, it is just matter of joy to all the world to see that God does not deal with men in a way of absolute power and strict justice, but in a way of grace and mercy through the Redeemer. He governs the world, not merely as a Creator and Lawgiver, but as our God and Saviour. All the world has reason to rejoice in this. The song of praise that was offered up to the Lamb on this occasion consists of three parts, one part sung by the church, another by the church and the angels, the third by every creature.

1. The church begins the doxology, as being more immediately concerned in it (Rev. 5:8), the four living creatures, and the four-and-twenty elders, the Christian people, under their minister, lead up the chorus. Here observe,(1.) The object of their worship—the Lamb, the Lord Jesus Christ; it is the declared will of God that all men should honour the Son as they honour the Father; for he has the same nature.(2.) Their posture: They fell down before him, gave him not an inferior sort of worship, but the most profound adoration.(3.) The instruments used in their adorations—harps and vials; the harps were the instruments of praise, the vials were full of odours or incense, which signify the prayers of the saints: prayer and praise should always go together.(4.) The matter of their song: it was suited to the new state of the church, the gospel-state introduced by the Son of God. In this new song,[1.] They acknowledge the infinite fitness and worthiness of the Lord Jesus for this great work of opening and executing the counsel and purposes of God (Rev. 5:9): Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof, every way sufficient for the work and deserving the honour.[2.] They mention the grounds and reasons of this worthiness; and though they do not exclude the dignity of his person as God, without which he had not been sufficient for it, yet they chiefly insist upon the merit of his sufferings, which he had endured for them; these more sensibly struck their souls with thankfulness and joy. Here, First, They mention his suffering:“Thou wast slain, slain as a sacrifice, thy blood was shed.” Secondly, The fruits of his sufferings. 1. Redemption to God; Christ has redeemed his people from the bondage of sin, guilt, and Satan, redeemed them to God, set them at liberty to serve him and to enjoy him. 2. High exaltation: Thou hast made us to our God kings and priests, and we shall reign on the earth, Rev. 5:10. Every ransomed slave is not immediately preferred to honour; he thinks it a great favour to be restored to liberty. But when the elect of God were made slaves by sin and Satan, in every nation of the world, Christ not only purchased their liberty for them, but the highest honour and preferment, made them kings and priests—kings, to rule over their own spirits, and to overcome the world, and the evil one; and he has made them priests, given them access to himself, and liberty to offer up spiritual sacrifices, and they shall reign on the earth; they shall with him judge the world at the great day.
CONT
Clay

Brooklyn, NY

#456009 Jun 24, 2013
socci wrote:
<quoted text>
Noooooo...
Lets say it does read as you say (which it does not) then that would contradict the rest of the Bible. Rather you and your Church just teach a false doctrine by twisting what is written. Jesus is the 'rock' upon which the church (body) was founded.
What are you talking about. Star posted straight sola scripture in its purest form.
If you you reject those blatant words from Jesus Christ, you're a hypocrite and not a 'Bible Alone' Christian.
He called Simon a rock and said "On this rock I will build my Church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail. I will give you the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven. Whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in Heaven; Whatever you loose on Earth will be loosed in Heaven"

Did Jesus say that or not? Did He give Peter THE KEYS or not?

You got no business messing around with sacred scripture. You were not authorized to teach the Ministry of Jesus Christ. I believe you and the SDAs are dangerously reckless with this.
LTM

Kingston, Canada

#456010 Jun 24, 2013
CONT
2. The doxology, thus begun by the church, is carried on by the angels; they take the second part, in conjunction with the church, Rev. 5:11. They are said to be innumerable, and to be the attendants on the throne of God and guardians to the church; though they did not need a Saviour themselves, yet they rejoice in the redemption and salvation of sinners, and they agree with the church in acknowledging the infinite merits of the Lord Jesus as dying for sinners, that he is worthy to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.(1.) He is worthy of that office and that authority which require the greatest power and wisdom, the greatest fund, all excellency, to discharge them aright; and,(2.) He is worthy of all honour, and glory, and blessing, because he is sufficient for the office and faithful in it.

3. This doxology, thus begun by the church, and carried on by the angels, is resounded and echoed by the whole creation, Rev. 5:13. Heaven and earth ring with the high praises of the Redeemer. The whole creation fares the better for Christ. By him all things consist; and all the creatures, had they sense and language, would adore that great Redeemer who delivers the creature from that bondage under which it groans, through the corruption of men, and the just curse denounced by the great God upon the fall; that part which (by a prosopopoeia) is made for the whole creation is a song of blessing, and honour, and glory, and power,(1.) To him that sits on the throne, to God as God, or to God the Father, as the first person in the Trinity and the first in the economy of our salvation; and,(2.) To the Lamb, as the second person in the Godhead and the Mediator of the new covenant. Not that the worship paid to the Lamb is of another nature, an inferior worship, for the very same honour and glory are in the same words ascribed to the Lamb and to him that sits on the throne, their essence being the same; but, their parts in the work of our salvation being distinct they are distinctly adored. We worship and glorify one and the same God for our creation and for our redemption.

We see how the church that began the heavenly anthem, finding heaven and earth join in the concert, closes all with their Amen, and end as they began, with a low prostration before the eternal and everlasting God. Thus we have seen this sealed book passing with great solemnity from the hand of the Creator into the hand of the Redeemer.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#456011 Jun 24, 2013
StarC wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL, you are changing what the bible says, typical.
Not suppose to do this, shame on you.
-----
StarC wrote:
<quoted text>Your interpretation does not count, its the Apostles that were taught by Jesus that’s what counts.
And how do you reconcile less than six of the Apostles being used to determine your belief, even though you understand Jesus taught 12?
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#456012 Jun 24, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
The Roman Catholic religious is in the same condition as Israel
They have refused to accept Jesus Christ as He is sent to be the savior
of the world...
Rom 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and
going about to establish their own righteousness,
have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Do you think its ok to take Paul's letter to the Romans and apply it to the Roman Catholic Church??
Not only doesn't it make sense, you are sinning by manipulating sacred scripture for your own personal gain. I warned you about this before. You are filled with too much arrogance to acknowledge you sins. Do not hijack the word of God to frighten people; to send false accusations to; to misrepresent what the Apostles were trying to convey and WHO they were trying to convey to!

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#456013 Jun 24, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
Myth #2: Five Patriarchs with Equal Authority
The 2nd myth goes like this: "There used to be 5 Patriarchs, all with equal authority. Then, the Pope of Rome broke off from the Church, whereas the other 4 remained."
Now,:-) this again, is not only revisionism, but out-and-out Greek bigotry. As stated, it makes it seem like there were 4 independent Patriarchs at the time who freely refused to stick with Rome in 1054. However, once one bothers to read the history, that's not the case at all.
In 1054, the Patriarchs of Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem were not the local bishops who used to rule from these sees (since all of the locals broke off with the Monophysites). Rather, the Orthodox bishops of these sees in 1054 were all Byzantine Melkites -- Imperial appointees from Constantinople! Furthermore, they were presiding within Muslim countries; and their flocks were puny at best (most of the Christians in those regions being Monophysite, not Orthodox). So, they were no longer the great metropolitan sees of the ancient Church.
So, when the Orthodox say that there were 5 patriarchs and 1 broke off, that is not the case at all. It was not a 4 to 1 split. It was a 1 to 1 split -- Rome and Constantinople. The sees of Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem at this time (ruled by imperial-minded Greeks from Byzantium) did whatever Constantinople told them to do. And, if Churches like the Copts and the Jacobites turn out not to be Monophysite after all, then these men weren't even the the legitimate bishops! But, the "Greek invaders" as the Copts and Syrians saw them.
So, in essence, the aforementioned Orthodox myth implies (nay, declares) that one must be Byzantine Greek in order to be in the Church. This is most anathema. ;-) And so much for the "poll of bishops" to determine orthodoxy. By 1054, Byzantium had done away with that replacing (rightly or wrongly) the legitimately-elected bishops of Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem when they did not agree with the Byzantine decisions at Chalcedon. So, if Orthodoxy truly believes that correct doctrine is determined by a poll of the teachings of all bishops everywhere, then Orthodoxy is guilty of hypocrisy (from about 451 on).
http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/a30.htm
And your source is from a catholic site which we all know that the catholic love to rewrite history to justify their claim to be the one and only..lol

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#456014 Jun 24, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
Myth #2: Five Patriarchs with Equal Authority
The 2nd myth goes like this: "There used to be 5 Patriarchs, all with equal authority. Then, the Pope of Rome broke off from the Church, whereas the other 4 remained."
Now,:-) this again, is not only revisionism, but out-and-out Greek bigotry. As stated, it makes it seem like there were 4 independent Patriarchs at the time who freely refused to stick with Rome in 1054. However, once one bothers to read the history, that's not the case at all.
In 1054, the Patriarchs of Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem were not the local bishops who used to rule from these sees (since all of the locals broke off with the Monophysites). Rather, the Orthodox bishops of these sees in 1054 were all Byzantine Melkites -- Imperial appointees from Constantinople! Furthermore, they were presiding within Muslim countries; and their flocks were puny at best (most of the Christians in those regions being Monophysite, not Orthodox). So, they were no longer the great metropolitan sees of the ancient Church.
So, when the Orthodox say that there were 5 patriarchs and 1 broke off, that is not the case at all. It was not a 4 to 1 split. It was a 1 to 1 split -- Rome and Constantinople. The sees of Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem at this time (ruled by imperial-minded Greeks from Byzantium) did whatever Constantinople told them to do. And, if Churches like the Copts and the Jacobites turn out not to be Monophysite after all, then these men weren't even the the legitimate bishops! But, the "Greek invaders" as the Copts and Syrians saw them.
So, in essence, the aforementioned Orthodox myth implies (nay, declares) that one must be Byzantine Greek in order to be in the Church. This is most anathema. ;-) And so much for the "poll of bishops" to determine orthodoxy. By 1054, Byzantium had done away with that replacing (rightly or wrongly) the legitimately-elected bishops of Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem when they did not agree with the Byzantine decisions at Chalcedon. So, if Orthodoxy truly believes that correct doctrine is determined by a poll of the teachings of all bishops everywhere, then Orthodoxy is guilty of hypocrisy (from about 451 on).
http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/a30.htm
http://www.orthodoxresearchins titute.org/articles/church_his tory/michael_theschism.htm.... ......LOL

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#456015 Jun 24, 2013
~~~

When you involved your self in the discussion here in this forum...

You are exposed to what ever games any one here wants to play...

THE ROMAN CATHOLIC PLAY ROULETTE WITH THEIR SOULS..

ALL THEY HAVE TO PRESENT IS A GAME OF CHANCE..

THEIR RELIGION IS A HUMUNGOUS GAME OF BINGO...

ONLY THERE IS NO PRIZES....

JUST SURPRISES AT THE END OF THE GAME...

They don't have the slightest idea what their destiny is...

and can make no promises of eternal life with Christ....

to those that play their game...


My faith is based on blessed assurance.
>
Frances J. Crosby, 1873 was blind but she had more insight to

God's word that you Roman Catholics have with your eyes wide open

Blessed assurance,

Blessed assurance, Jesus is mine!
Oh, what a foretaste of glory divine!
Heir of salvation, purchase of God,
Born of His Spirit, washed in His blood.


Refrain:
This is my story, this is my song,
Praising my Savior all the day long;
This is my story, this is my song,
Praising my Savior all the day long.

Perfect submission, perfect delight,
Visions of rapture now burst on my sight;
Angels, descending, bring from above
Echoes of mercy, whispers of love.

Refrain:
This is my story, this is my song,
Praising my Savior all the day long;
This is my story, this is my song,
Praising my Savior all the day long.

Perfect submission, all is at rest,
I in my Savior am happy and blest,
Watching and waiting, looking above,
Filled with His goodness, lost in His love

Refrain:
This is my story, this is my song,
Praising my Savior all the day long;
This is my story, this is my song,
Praising my Savior all the day long.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#456016 Jun 24, 2013

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#456017 Jun 24, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you think its ok to take Paul's letter to the Romans and apply it to the Roman Catholic Church??
Not only doesn't it make sense, you are sinning by manipulating sacred scripture for your own personal gain. I warned you about this before. You are filled with too much arrogance to acknowledge you sins. Do not hijack the word of God to frighten people; to send false accusations to; to misrepresent what the Apostles were trying to convey and WHO they were trying to convey to!
~~~

you wrote...

Do you think its ok to take Paul's letter to the Romans and apply it to the Roman Catholic Church??

2Ti_3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#456018 Jun 24, 2013
Now3 thats the Orthodox version of 1054..LOL

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#456019 Jun 24, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
What are you talking about. Star posted straight sola scripture in its purest form.
If you you reject those blatant words from Jesus Christ, you're a hypocrite and not a 'Bible Alone' Christian.
He called Simon a rock and said "On this rock I will build my Church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail. I will give you the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven. Whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in Heaven; Whatever you loose on Earth will be loosed in Heaven"
Did Jesus say that or not? Did He give Peter THE KEYS or not?
You got no business messing around with sacred scripture. You were not authorized to teach the Ministry of Jesus Christ. I believe you and the SDAs are dangerously reckless with this.
http://www.orthodoxresearchins titute.org/articles/church_his tory/michael_theschism.htm

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