Roman Catholic church only true churc...

Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 679235 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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#455733 Jun 23, 2013
Catholic quote Matt 28:18-19 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:{teach...: or, make disciples, or, Christians of all nations}

And teach:Theologians distinguish a twofold necessity, which they call a necessity of means (medii) and a necessity of precept (præcepti). The first (medii) indicates a thing to be so necessary that, if lacking (though inculpably), salvation can not be attained.

baptizo, to immerse, submerge; to make whelmed (i.e. fully wet); used only (in the New Testament) of ceremonial ablution, especially (technically) of the ordinance of Christian baptism:--Baptist, baptize, wash.

Would some one show me, from the definition of water...its saving power!!!!

Plus....they conveniently omit verse 20: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Which, per verse 19, teaching comes first, then baptizing. So, the act of baptizing, as the SBC teaches, in and of itself has no saving power....none...zilch...
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#455734 Jun 23, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
Is this an example of being "godly?"
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>
Sex Lives of the Popes … by Nigel Cawthorne … first published in Great Britain in 1996.‘An irreverent expose’—The Sunday Times.
Clement VI began a period of unbridled luxury. He bought in forty different types of gold cloth from Syria, silk from Tuscany and fine linen from Rheims, Paris and Flanders. Fur was considered a luxury and was restricted to knights, pages, squires, gentlemen of the bedchamber and ladies of the court. Nevertheless Clement VI used up 1080 ermine pelts – 68 for a hood, 430 for a cape, 310 for a mantle, 150 more for two more hoods, 64 for yet another hood, 30 for a hat, 80 for a large hood and 88 for birettas or papal capes.
You have no life outside this thread you poor dear.
so you lot in life is to try and bring people in to the man made hell you have created for yourself.
I guess misery really does like company.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

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#455735 Jun 23, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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So, believing that a god of the Jews loves your style of Christianity dies nit come naturally???
:)
No June and you are too intelligent to think.I said that.

Wanting to.be RIGHT in an argument is natural fir humans.

You insist your way is right all the time..Is a natural human thing..though you seem to have it as full time occupation

Allowing God to prompt us to be calm and stop arguing is unnatural .
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#455736 Jun 23, 2013
Dangers of donating to the Roman Catholic church:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/ar...

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#455737 Jun 23, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
Catholic quote Matt 28:18-19 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:{teach...: or, make disciples, or, Christians of all nations}
And teach:Theologians distinguish a twofold necessity, which they call a necessity of means (medii) and a necessity of precept (præcepti). The first (medii) indicates a thing to be so necessary that, if lacking (though inculpably), salvation can not be attained.
baptizo, to immerse, submerge; to make whelmed (i.e. fully wet); used only (in the New Testament) of ceremonial ablution, especially (technically) of the ordinance of Christian baptism:--Baptist, baptize, wash.
Would some one show me, from the definition of water...its saving power!!!!
Plus....they conveniently omit verse 20: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Which, per verse 19, teaching comes first, then baptizing. So, the act of baptizing, as the SBC teaches, in and of itself has no saving power....none...zilch...
If I understand you adult Baptism after being saved has no power in and of itself. It's a symbol.of obedience and rebirth.
Tiger Lily

Auckland, New Zealand

#455738 Jun 23, 2013


The most wicked and dreadful society ever assembled.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#455739 Jun 23, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
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If I understand you adult Baptism after being saved has no power in and of itself. It's a symbol.of obedience and rebirth.
Before you are baptized you must come to believe that you are a sinner in need of a Savior.(Romans 3:23). You must also believe that Christ died on the cross to atone for your sins, that He was buried, and that He was resurrected to assure your place in heaven (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). You then turn to Jesus, asking Him to forgive your sins and to be your Lord and Savior, and the moment you do that you are born again, your eternal salvation is guaranteed, and you begin to die to yourself and live for Christ (1 Peter 1:3-5). At this time you are qualified to be Biblically baptized.

Baptism illustrates a believer’s identification with Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection.

Romans 6:3-4, 3 "Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life."

The action of being immersed in the water pictures dying and being buried with Christ. The action of coming out of the water illustrates Christ’s resurrection. As a result, baptism by immersion is the only method of baptism which illustrates being buried with Christ and being raised with Him. Baptism by sprinkling and/or pouring came into practice as a result of the unbiblical practice of infant baptism.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#455740 Jun 23, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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The Word of God forbids me to give to you what is Holy...
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
You can shove your defamation up your ass where it belongs bigot.
Make sure you swallow real hard so you will be able to talk after you do.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#455741 Jun 23, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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I reckon those of us who study history are more often than not also re-lying on words written by other liars.
Stories are usually embellished by the tellers of the tales.
As one Native-Indian chief stated many years ago ... "The white man wrote all the stories, and the white man told many lies."
In religion we read or hear that the deities worshipped by the ancients were false, but this new model of a god is real.
How funny is THAT???
It's really not funny at all...it is sick.

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#455743 Jun 23, 2013
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RoSesz wrote:
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If I understand you adult Baptism after being saved has no power in and of itself. It's a symbol.of obedience and rebirth.
So, the act of baptizing, as the SBC teaches, in and of itself has no saving power....none...zilch...

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#455744 Jun 23, 2013
OldJG wrote:
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Before you are baptized you must come to believe that you are a sinner in need of a Savior.(Romans 3:23). You must also believe that Christ died on the cross to atone for your sins, that He was buried, and that He was resurrected to assure your place in heaven (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). You then turn to Jesus, asking Him to forgive your sins and to be your Lord and Savior, and the moment you do that you are born again, your eternal salvation is guaranteed, and you begin to die to yourself and live for Christ (1 Peter 1:3-5). At this time you are qualified to be Biblically baptized.
Baptism illustrates a believer’s identification with Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection.
Romans 6:3-4, 3 "Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life."
The action of being immersed in the water pictures dying and being buried with Christ. The action of coming out of the water illustrates Christ’s resurrection. As a result, baptism by immersion is the only method of baptism which illustrates being buried with Christ and being raised with Him. Baptism by sprinkling and/or pouring came into practice as a result of the unbiblical practice of infant baptism.
Yes Jg..I know all of that.was trying to find out what he believed
BAPTISTS believe.

We do not get saved by BAPTISM..

Baptism comes after the born again experience you described.if one dies before one is baptized..one is still saved.
If one does not get immersed.He is saved

The immersion is as you say symbolic of the new life as A Christian..and in obedience.We do it..


For myself I can honestly say I was in no way pressured into it.

We took a few classes before..religious instruction.

We professed faith..But never were told the Baptism was a vehicle for salvation

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#455746 Jun 23, 2013
And Catholics say they don't worship Mary!!!! Da pope he be pray to her!!!! Not to God...Not to Jesus...but to God's self professed handmaiden!!!!

Da pope he do pray:
Mother of the silence that preserves the mystery of God, deliver us from the idolatry of the present, to which those who forget are condemned. Purify the eyes of pastors with the balm of memory:that we might return to the freshness of the beginning, for a praying and penitent Church.
Mother of the beauty that blossoms from fidelity to daily work, remove us from the torpor of laziness, of pettiness, and defeatism. Cloak Pastors with that compassion that unifies and integrates: that we might discover the joy of a humble and fraternal servant Church.
Mother of the tenderness which enfolds in patience and mercy, help us burn away the sadness, impatience, and rigidity of those who have not known what it means to belong.
Intercede with your Son that our hands, our feet and our hearts may be swift: that we may build the Church with the truth in charity.
Mother, we will be the People of God, on pilgrimage towards the Kingdom. Amen.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

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He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#455747 Jun 23, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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So, the act of baptizing, as the SBC teaches, in and of itself has no saving power....none...zilch...
Nope ..not what I was taught in my Baptist church .

Having been raised Catholic I had all sorts of misconceptions on Baptists..But I could not have found a more Christ like congregation.

The longer I went there...the more I spoke with the pastor..the mire I learned.

And it was over a year till I asked to be Baptized.

They accepted me a a Christian long before that.

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#455748 Jun 23, 2013
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Catholics teach all born are guilty of the original sin of Adam and Eve..

This was God's reaction to same:

Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee

And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life...

Where does He say: And from this day forth, all newborn will have their soul stained with the original sin of Adam/Eve....or words to that affect...

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#455749 Jun 23, 2013
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Whadda bout it Dan...willing to learn...talk to me!!!!

Thanks...I found those listed....What I posted, evidently was sort of a recap of what is later gone into detail...

But...I am having a difficulty with the first paragraph under that heading...

Theologians distinguish a twofold necessity, which they call a necessity of means (medii) and a necessity of precept (præcepti). The first (medii) indicates a thing to be so necessary that, if lacking (though inculpably), salvation can not be attained.

I can see, by their thinking, where Joh 3:5, and Mt 28:18-19, supports it.

The second (præcepti) is had when a thing is indeed so necessary that it may not be omitted voluntarily without sin; yet, ignorance of the precept or inability to fulfill it, excuses one from its observance.

What Scripture teaches: ignorance of the precept or inability to fulfill it, excuses one from its observance.

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#455750 Jun 23, 2013
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Ant!!!!

Still waiting for you to show me how to link a web site so I can see the truth you promised...I am always interested in the truth...how boutit????

972

Anthony MN wrote:
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Do you know how to link a web site? Don't ask GIF or old jug head..

What do you think???

967
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Willing to learn...show me...
From the website I quoted from:
Also notice the official "Coat of Arms" of John Paul II...
I got this pic off the Vatican website. Notice the huge letter "M" signifying John Paul II's desire to glorify MARY as his god in his pontificate.
The Presents of God ministry

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#455751 Jun 23, 2013
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Dan....if you responded I missed it...or forgot..

Dan wrote:
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Luke 1:28 is the passage.
Romans 3:23 deals with personal sin. Jesus Christ was without personal sin, I hope you'd admit.
Mary was conceived without sin as to be a stainless vessel for the New Covenant.
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Why are you refusing to answer my question??

Quote: What does this mean to you: For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.....
Read more at http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/catholic/...

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#455752 Jun 23, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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"From the website I quoted from"
Go to the address bar at the top of your screen, click once on the address so it's highlighted, right-click, click "copy" on the drop down bar, go to your comment screen on topix, right-click again and click "paste".
Get back to me when you figure it out.
My computer has been set in such a fashion, by my guru,that when I open a web page on any web site...it does not display the web site address on my screen. This was done so I leave no "cookies" on any web site I visit.
I can find the web site you are referring to by using "google"...but I will see no address bar at the top of my screen
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#455753 Jun 23, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>It is a denomination, open your eyes buddy, it's an expansionist religion, and it has nothing to do with god/jesus it's all about power,greed,money. nothing about religion.
The Catholic Church is not an "expansion" of ANYTHING "man-made", but came DIRECTLY from Jesus Christ HIMSELF, through the Apostles!
Bible only Protestantism is just another one of inconsistent 42,000 other contradicting, conflicting denominations that "did not come from God" but came from a (so-called enlightened) "self-appointed" editorial (interpreting minister) that claims to posses some form of truth, by just "making it up" as they go along!!!! Sola Scriptura was never believed by "anyone" until the 17th century and has absolutely "no basis" of biblical or historical truth to back up "anything that it teaches--or believes"! It is just an extension of the Protestant Reformation of "hodge-podge" denominations that started with Luther, then Zwingli, Wycliff, Hus, Waldo, Gasfort, beza, Cranmer, Farel, Hedio, Knox, Petri, Tyndale, and on and on and on to the 21st century. Now (here on topix) we have Confrinting, Orville, 4GVN, justachristian1,(you Jethro8) LTM, and every other self-appointed "relative truth" bible expert that interprets (or better yet mis-interprets the bible as well as the TRUTH of True Church History--ALL to their own confusion, demise, chaos and destruction!!!

“Happy 2016!!”

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#455754 Jun 23, 2013
Catholics DO NOT worship Mary, the Mother of Christ – as though she were a deity. Of all the misconceptions about Catholic belief and practice, this one is the most absurd. Catholics are just as aware as Protestants that Mary was a human creature, and therefore not entitled to the honors which are reserved to God alone.

What many non-Catholics

mistake for adoration is a very profound love and

veneration, nothing more. Mary is not

adored, first because God forbids it, and secondly because the Canon Law of the Catholic

Church, which is based on Divine Law, forbids it. Canon Law 1255 of the 1918 Codex

strictly forbids adoration of anyone other than the Holy Trinity. However, Catholics do

feel that Mary is entitled to a great measure of exaltation because, in choosing her as the

Mother of Redemption, God Himself exalted her –

exalted her more than any other human person

before or since. Catholics heap tribute and honor on Mary because they earnestly desire to be

"followers of God, as most dear children." (Eph.

5:1). Mary herself prophesied: "For behold from

henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. Because he that is mighty, hath done great things to me; and holy is his name." (Luke 1:48-49). Catholics know that every bit of the glory they give to Mary redounds to the glory of her divine Son, just as Mary magnified God, not herself, when Elizabeth blessed her.(Luke 1:41-55). They know that the closer they draw to her, the closer they draw to Him who was born of her. In the year 434 St. Vincent of Lerins defended Christian devotion to Mary this way: "Therefore, may God forbid that anyone should attempt to defraud Holy Mary of her privilege of divine grace and her special glory. For by a unique favor of our Lord and God she is confessed to be the most true and most blessed Mother of God."

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