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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 688815 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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LTM

Marathon, Canada

#454755 Jun 21, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>
Sweet talk?
Treating another with the same respect they show you is not "sweet talk".
Did you learn to be devisive and dishonest at your church?
You are truly delusional.
Regina is one of the most dishonest poster on this thread.
She is an expert at trying to put words in your mouth.
assuming its what you are thinking or actual said.
Your right she is delusional.
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#454757 Jun 21, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
This is some of the kind of thing I was referring to, Herme. We also hold in awe the mysteries of God and don't try to analyze every little thing. As well, we view the Church as a type of hospital for the illness of sin, Christ as the Divine Physician, and most certainly aim for closer union with God as opposed to being "adept" at dogma/theology. This is an error on your part; it's actually a prejudice. I'm not sure where you got it from but it's incorrect. Yes, we argue theology here as it is our doctrines which are being attacked, e.g. the Real Presence, the ever virginity of the Blessed Virgin. But legalism is actually a protestant construct. And those "serious" differences aren't quite so serious if one really takes a close look. That's also another prejudice, an attempt at distancing, but it's not quite accurate. I know there's only so much one can read, but there's quite a lot that proves you wrong. If a reunion doesn't happen, that's fine, too. So that's not where I'm coming from.
Mary was not a virgin forever to keep insisting she was is doing her a great injustice Regina.
Her and Joseph, were husband and wife in every sense of the word, she had sex with him , which produce children sons, and daughters.
To say legalism is a protestant thing is the pot calling the kettle black.
You need to read the Bible not just, a verse here and there but it all cover to cover, you are under the delusion that the catholic church teaches the truth.
If they don't know the truth how can they teach it.
The catholic church lives under their own set of legalism law, don't do as I do , do as I say philosophy .
Early catholic teachings were , if they don't conform kill them, or torture them till they do.
The truth is not in you Regina, The truth is the catholic church is sick with sin. It needs Jesus not Mary Just Jesus.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#454758 Jun 21, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who=" Anthony MN"
Preston said his bible is God. I assume he worships it. That is certainly closer to idol worship than venerating an icon or statue.
**********
Do you mean that you would choose an icon or statue rather than the Bible???
KayMarie
I wouldn't worship either. Are you of the same mindset as Preston? Has the bible become your idol?
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#454759 Jun 21, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>you switched names so you could attack hermi and I under differant names..you sneaky little catholic...
Sere, I am glad you are seeing Regina for who she really is.
So are some other people.
I really don't think being catholic has anything to do with it.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#454760 Jun 21, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text> Thanks so much RoSezc. I have followed your thoughts and believe you are intelligent, sincere, and fair. Churches consider Schism worse than heresy. A heretic holds beliefs that violate the core belief(s) of whatev......snip...
Catholics would say we schismed. Orthodox would hold that Catholics schismed.Many,many factors- including the competition among all the church sees that existed from the beginning (Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria, Rome, Constantinople).Then there were serious differences in some beliefs. The Franks coming into the Cath Church and the Turks taking over Constantinople made them more apart. Language= especially language being mutually misunderstood when they dialogued about theology. Power-Ego- 2 big ones.
I know that many Caths here speak re reunion being imminent and our Patriarchs becoming in favor of this. But frankly I do not see it. The Patriarchs are respected and loved but not obeyed. Though on the surface we both have confession, etc.if you really get to the core, there are serious differences in how we look at Original v Ancestral sin, salvation, mysticism, church organization, considering things of God mysteries that we can only try to explain v Catholic tendency to analyze such issues, church more as a hospital and sin more as an illness for which need Christ's therapy (of course still holding us accountable).The entire goal of our Church is better relationship and union with God, not how adept you are at dogma or theology.
Anyway thanks.
Thanks Herme
I like your posts ..
It seems from the posts that going back there is a,lot on one belief and another within and between your respective churches.(ie your post regarding St Augustine)
Some of which are beyond me I admit.
I guess I am drawn to a mire simple kind of belief..And I do know some protestants go one way and others,another. And some cults get formed among all so called believers in most faiths ..But speaking of non loony believers,here.
I was always,of the opinion ..well in the past 10 or so years..That Christians were those who believed believed in the Redemption of man through the Redeeming Sacrifice on the Cross..And His Resurrection defeating the power of death..it being nit the end of life but the beginning of eternal life.
Arguing amongst ourselves ..though Catholics don't seem to afford us that status..even though their Pope seems to....arguing. me me I'm right...this dogma is better than that one..Is the kind of thing that would only please the ENEMY of our respective souls.
I have been guilty myself on bringing up pre Reformation history..I guess it bugs me because as a child I w a s taught the infallibility of the Church and the Pope..
Yet looking at history ..They..some of them were men who could be ked astray and allow at least wrong things to be done supposedly in Gids name..
What I see is Catholics cannot accept less than infallibility and demonizing those who share their basic faith but who practice differently.
And Protestants who do not see that true belief is possible within the CC. No matter what her rites and dogma
This is only from my perspective as having knowledge from both sides.
Now here is your Church And you all do not accept the Pope but have similar dogma.
What I see is its a miracle. Truly that anyone who is a non believer becomes one..!!!lol ..But then that is the,province of the Spirit who works in mysterious ways.
He first calls us to redeeming faith in the Preciuis blood if Our Saviour by giving us grace. He calls on us to Repent and follow our Lord..
And I say this most lovingly..woe to any of us who become stumbling blocks to any non or new believer by our squabbles ..myself included.
As fir atheists on here ..I don't think they BELUEVE any of us..
But we do have a,common message if we admit it:)
God bless all on here in the name if His Son..Our Lord Jesus Christ
truth

Huntingdale, Australia

#454761 Jun 21, 2013
Even Solomon as prophet have many gods in Israel and Judea..reason is why they so long suffer.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#454762 Jun 21, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text> Thanks so much RoSezc. I have followed your thoughts and believe you are intelligent, sincere, and fair. Churches consider Schism worse than heresy. A heretic holds beliefs that violate the core belief(s) of whatev......snip...
Catholics would say we schismed. Orthodox would hold that Catholics schismed.Many,many factors- including the competition among all the church sees that exisAlexandria, Rome, Constantinople).Then there were serious differences in some beliefs. The Franks coming into the Cath Church and the Turks taking over Constantinople made them more apart. Language= especially language being mutually misunderstood when they dialogued about theology. Power-Ego- 2 big ones.
I know that many Caths here speak re reunion being imminent and our Patriarchs becoming in favor of this. But frankly I do not see it. The Patriarchs are respected and loved but not obeyed. Though on the surface we both have confession, etc.if you really get to the core, there are serious differences in how we look at Original v Ancestral sin, salvation, mysticism, church organization, considering things of God mysteries that we can only try to explain v Catholic tendency to analyze such issues, church more as a hospital and sin more as an illness for which need Christ's therapy (of course still holding us accountable).The entire goal of our Church is better relationship and union with God, not how adept you are at dogma or theology.
Anyway thanks.
Thanks Herme
I like your posts ..
It seems from the posts that going back there is a,lot on one belief and another within and between your respective churches.(ie your post regarding St Augustine)
Some of which are beyond me I admit.
I guess I am drawn to a mire simple kind of belief..And I do know some protestants go one way and others,another. And some cults get formed among all so called believers in most faiths ..But speaking of non loony believers,here.
I was always,of the opinion ..well in the past 10 or so years..That Christians were those who believed believed in the Redemption of man through the Redeeming Sacrifice on the Cross..And His Resurrection defeating the power of death..it being nit the end of life but the beginning of eternal life.
Arguing amongst ourselves ..though Catholics don't seem to afford us that status..even though their Pope seems to....arguing. me me I'm right...this dogma is better than that one..Is the kind of thing that would only please the ENEMY of our respective souls.
I have been guilty myself on bringing up pre Reformation history..I guess it bugs me because as a child I w a s taught the infallibility of the Church and the Pope..
Yet looking at history ..They..some of them were men who could be ked astray and allow at least wrong things to be done supposedly in Gids name..
What I see is Catholics cannot accept less than infallibility and demonizing those who share their basic faith but who practice differently.
And Protestants who do not see that true belief is possible within the CC. No matter what her rites and dogma
This is only from my perspective as having knowledge from both sides.
Now here is your Church And you all do not accept the Pope but have similar dogma.
What I see is its a miracle. Truly that anyone who is a non believer becomes one..!!!lol ..But then that is the,province of the Spirit who works in mysterious ways.
He first calls us to redeeming faith in the Preciuis blood if Our Saviour by giving us grace. He calls on us to Repent and follow our Lord..
And I say this most lovingly..woe to any of us who become stumbling blocks to any non or new believer by our squabbles ..myself included.
As fir atheists on here ..I don't think they BELUEVE any of us..
But we do have a,common message if we admit it:)
God bless all on here in the name if His Son..Our Lord Jesus Christ
truth

Huntingdale, Australia

#454763 Jun 21, 2013
People not going respect leaders in future ..
You will see.
O you scribe vipers this or that=Jesus Christ words is perfect..
set up for others is very easy on evil way..

'It is written who is last will be first.'
Dan

Omaha, NE

#454765 Jun 21, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
937
<quoted text>
You did no such thing!!!!
Strong's Greek lexicon...
Highly favoured: caritow charitoo, khar-ee-to'-o to grace, i.e. indue with special honor:--make accepted, be highly favoured.
It does not say "full of grace"..
It does not say "sinless"..
It does not say "clean vessel"..
It does not say "virgin"..
It does not say "virgin evermore".
It does not say "immaculate conception"...
Any teachings to the contrary, which is what the Catholics do, is not Christian...and are lies..
You're deliberately lying.

Here, you give us the definition/translation for charit&#335;&#333;.

That isn't the word I gave you.

“Full of Grace” translates 1'kecharit&#333;m&#277 ;n&#275;1" the perfect passive participle of charit&#335;&#333;. It denotes one who has been and still is the object of divine benevolence, one who has been favored and continues to be favored by God, one who has been granted supernatural grace and remains in this state.[1] Verbs ending in &#335;&#333;, such as haimat&#335;&#333; (turn into blood), thaumat&#335;&#333; (fill with wonder), spod&#335;&#333;mai (burn to ashes) frequently express the full intensity of the action. Kecharitomene denotes continuance of a completed action.[2]

Hence kecharit&#333;m&#277;n &#275; has been suitably translated as “full of grace”, by the Vulgate and the Peshitto (The principal Syriac version of the Bible).

1] Cf. L Cerfaux, Gratia plena, in Mémories et Raports du Congrès Marial tenu à Bruxelles (1921), Vol. I (Bruxelles, 1922), pp. 34-40.

[2] H. W. Smyth, Greek Grammar [Harvard University Press, 1968], p. 108-109, sec 1852:b.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#454766 Jun 21, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
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If these words "Sola Scriptura' are UN-scriptural..
WHY DID THE ROMAN CATHOLICS COIN THEM...
IS IT NOT JUST ANOTHER ONE OF THE RCC'S INVENTIONS?
They didn't "coin them".

Martin Luther did.

60+ years of Bible study, you say?

You must have only set aside 60 minutes for history.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#454767 Jun 21, 2013
truth wrote:
Your knowledge is zero with all fallen angels and demons=Civilizations before exist!!!
I please you nicely before ..where is first perfect Eden you not tell me.
It was hidden by God and guarded.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#454768 Jun 21, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
You're deliberately lying.
Here, you give us the definition/translation for charit&#335;&#333;.
That isn't the word I gave you.
“Full of Grace” translates 1'kecharit&#333;m&#277 ;n&#275;1" the perfect passive participle of charit&#335;&#333;. It denotes one who has been and still is the object of divine benevolence, one who has been favored and continues to be favored by God, one who has been granted supernatural grace and remains in this state.[1] Verbs ending in &#335;&#333;, such as haimat&#335;&#333; (turn into blood), thaumat&#335;&#333; (fill with wonder), spod&#335;&#333;mai (burn to ashes) frequently express the full intensity of the action. Kecharitomene denotes continuance of a completed action.[2]
Hence kecharit&#333;m&#277;n &#275; has been suitably translated as “full of grace”, by the Vulgate and the Peshitto (The principal Syriac version of the Bible).
1] Cf. L Cerfaux, Gratia plena, in Mémories et Raports du Congrès Marial tenu à Bruxelles (1921), Vol. I (Bruxelles, 1922), pp. 34-40.
[2] H. W. Smyth, Greek Grammar [Harvard University Press, 1968], p. 108-109, sec 1852:b.
Nothing personal meant by this..But when you all post this way. It comes out as numbers (assume it's non English??)
truth

Huntingdale, Australia

#454769 Jun 21, 2013
Thank you very much.
Why I am liar for you?
If first Eden exist!!!
Clay

Brooklyn, NY

#454770 Jun 21, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>UH Anthony. it was and is a quote from John chapter one.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
hint. the Bible is the Word of God.
why are we not surprised that catholics are ignorant of the Bible and what it says
Preston, the Bible does not say its 'the word of God'. The Bible is 72 separate Books gathered together. It took an outside authority to say "These Books are Biblical".
sola scripture is debunked from the get go, because scripture itself does not tell us which Books belong in the Bible.

So I don't want to hear that 'Catholics are ignorant of the Bible' when you are clearly oblivious to what the Bible is.

Btw, I wouldn't say the Bible IS the Word of God, but rather CONTAINS the Word of God. We know this because the Catholic Church told us it does.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#454771 Jun 21, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
"God" isn't omniscient.
Otherwise "He" wouldn't have allowed the backward masking on Led Zeppelin's "Stairway To Heaven" to occur with references to "Satan".
http://jeffmilner.com/backmasking/stairway-to...
Unless, "He" is, and "He" doesn't mind this action to have taken place.
Hmmmm.... a paradox that is just one of many within this book:
http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover/parad...
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1403964572
Research would have told you what I have.
Why do you believe men?
God listens to Deep Purple anyway.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#454772 Jun 21, 2013
956
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>UH Anthony. it was and is a quote from John chapter one.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
hint. the Bible is the Word of God.
why are we not surprised that catholics are ignorant of the Bible and what it says
Word: something said (including the thought); by implication, a topic (subject of discourse), also reasoning (the mental faculty) or motive; by extension, a computation; specially,(with the article in John) the Divine Expression (i.e. Christ):--account, cause, communication, X concerning, doctrine, fame, X have to do, intent, matter, mouth, preaching, question, reason,+ reckon, remove, say(-ing), shew, X speaker, speech, talk, thing,+ none of these things move me, tidings, treatise, utterance, word, work.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#454773 Jun 21, 2013
957
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Preston, the Bible does not say its 'the word of God'. The Bible is 72 separate Books gathered together. It took an outside authority to say "These Books are Biblical".
sola scripture is debunked from the get go, because scripture itself does not tell us which Books belong in the Bible.
So I don't want to hear that 'Catholics are ignorant of the Bible' when you are clearly oblivious to what the Bible is.
Btw, I wouldn't say the Bible IS the Word of God, but rather CONTAINS the Word of God. We know this because the Catholic Church told us it does.
Word: something said (including the thought); by implication, a topic (subject of discourse), also reasoning (the mental faculty) or motive; by extension, a computation; specially,(with the article in John) the Divine Expression (i.e. Christ):--account, cause, communication, X concerning, doctrine, fame, X have to do, intent, matter, mouth, preaching, question, reason,+ reckon, remove, say(-ing), shew, X speaker, speech, talk, thing,+ none of these things move me, tidings, treatise, utterance, word, work.

Bible alone is sufficient...per Scripture..

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Since the man of God is "perfect" "thoroughly furnished" by all scripture, inspired of God, unto good works....what else is necessary????!!!! How can he be more "perfect" more "thoroughly furnished"????!!!!

Dan

Omaha, NE

#454774 Jun 21, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>
You do understand the meaning of "water" in this case is don't you?
It isn't referring to "baptism by water(H 2 0)"...
Nonsense.

The ancient texts translate "water" to what it was "water".

It didn't translate to "amniotic fluid".

Further, Jesus wasn't saying that before a person can enter the kingdom he or she must first be a person.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#454775 Jun 21, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Preston, the Bible does not say its 'the word of God'. The Bible is 72 separate Books gathered together. It took an outside authority to say "These Books are Biblical".
sola scripture is debunked from the get go, because scripture itself does not tell us which Books belong in the Bible.
So I don't want to hear that 'Catholics are ignorant of the Bible' when you are clearly oblivious to what the Bible is.
Btw, I wouldn't say the Bible IS the Word of God, but rather CONTAINS the Word of God. We know this because the Catholic Church told us it does.
The authenticity or authority of Holy Writ is twofold on account of its twofold authorship. First, the various books which make up the Bible are authentic because they enjoy all the human authority that is naturally due to their respective authors. Second, they possess a higher authenticity, because invested with a Divine, supernatural authority through the Divine authorship which makes them the inspired word of God. Biblical authenticity in its first sense must naturally be considered in the articles on the several books of Sacred Scripture, in its second sense, it springs from Biblical inspiration.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#454776 Jun 21, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Preston, the Bible does not say its 'the word of God'. The Bible is 72 separate Books gathered together. It took an outside authority to say "These Books are Biblical".
sola scripture is debunked from the get go, because scripture itself does not tell us which Books belong in the Bible.
So I don't want to hear that 'Catholics are ignorant of the Bible' when you are clearly oblivious to what the Bible is.
Btw, I wouldn't say the Bible IS the Word of God, but rather CONTAINS the Word of God. We know this because the Catholic Church told us it does.
The Catholic Encyclopedia:

The Bible, as the inspired recorded of revelation, contains the word of God; that is, it contains those revealed truths which the Holy Ghost wishes to be transmitted in writing.

Clay....why do you not believe what your religion teaches????

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