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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 600165 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Since: Nov 08

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#454465 Jun 20, 2013
The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain.'You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit down to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees. Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy.. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in
thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of
heat, sir, just the absence of it.'

Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer

Since: Nov 08

usa

#454466 Jun 20, 2013
'What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?'

'Yes,' the professor replies without hesitation.'What is night if it
isn't darkness?'

'You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?'

The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This
will be a good semester.'So what point are you making, young man?'

'Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed..'

The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time.'Flawed? Can you explain how?'

'You are working on the premise of duality,' the student explains..
'You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought.'
'It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less
fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.'
'Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?'

'If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do.'

'Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?'

The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.

'Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?'

Since: Nov 08

usa

#454467 Jun 20, 2013
The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided.'To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean.' The student looks around the room.'Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?' The class breaks out into laughter.'Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so.. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir.''So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?'

Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable. Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers.'I Guess you'll have to take them on faith.'

'Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with
life,' the student continues.'Now, sir, is there such a thing as
evil?' Now uncertain, the professor responds,'Of course, there is. We see it Everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in The multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world... These manifestations are nothing else but evil.'

To this the student replied,'Evil does not exist sir, or at least it
does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God.. It is
just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart.
It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness
that comes when there is no light.'

The professor sat down.

If you read it all the way through and had a smile on your face when you finished, mail to your friends and family with the title 'God vs. Science'

PS: The student was Albert Einstein.

Albert Einstein wrote a book titled 'God vs. Science' in 1921.....

Regina

Toms River, NJ

#454468 Jun 20, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>your a joke and a waste of time..
Why would you call him or anyone a joke? You sound like a little baby stamping your feet. Why don't you just do as he asks and provide some proof from Church teaching that what you're saying is true?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#454469 Jun 20, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
940
<quoted text>
Quote: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
How many of these "scriptures" do you think are righteouos, and can lead to someone being perfect?

http://biblebabble.curbjaw.com/laws.htm

Here are a couple I doubt you abide by......

If a priest's daughter is a whore, she is to be burnt at the stake.(Leviticus 21:9)

Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed.(Leviticus 20:9)
Clay

Brooklyn, NY

#454470 Jun 20, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
Bartholomew...does not speak for the Bishops,Priest,and People who hold the REAL POWER of the Orthodox Church.he has ONE VOTE at the Bishops Synod
So each individual Bishop has authority over their Priests and laity and if doctrinal issues arise, the collective orthodox Bishops take a vote on it?

Since: Nov 08

usa

#454471 Jun 20, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
For centuries homosexuals were tortured, imprisoned and murdered because men of the cloth preached that a god was offended by anal and oral sex.
Heterosexual men all the while put their penises up the bums of women and had women perform oral sex on them, and no harm came to the heterosexuals from the men of the cloth.
I hope some day you will see that no god had a part in any of those theologies.
you left out the fact they sodomized children also.it must be ok since god has done nothing to stop these people from committing these acts.

Since: Jan 08

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#454472 Jun 20, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
The Thessalonians were like the sola scriptura folks, "if I don't see it in black and white in the bible it ain't true!!!", the Bereans (the early Catholics/Orthodox), seeing that Jesus was not explicitly mentioned in the OT, belived St. Paul's ORAL preaching.
lol, just WHO do you think was speaking in that [burning bush]. it was the WORD and the WORD is jesus.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#454473 Jun 20, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
For centuries homosexuals were tortured, imprisoned and murdered because men of the cloth preached that a god was offended by anal and oral sex.
Heterosexual men all the while put their penises up the bums of women and had women perform oral sex on them, and no harm came to the heterosexuals from the men of the cloth.
I hope some day you will see that no god had a part in any of those theologies.
another thing you forgot, in Rome a popular thing was for the hierarchy to get a massage from their male slave, topped off with a happy ending.

Since: Dec 11

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#454474 Jun 20, 2013
alessandro alfieri wrote:
<quoted text>
FAIL! Geez, don't they teach you guys how to do proper research in school anymore? You should learn to control your temper while you're still young. Hissy fits are unattractive and unhealthy.
The Church changed their belief from Mary maybe did or didnt die before Her Assumption to Mary did die (Dormition- the Ortho Belief. The Catholic Church changed their belief from Purgatory is a place to it isn't a specific place (Ortho belief but still did not believe in the Purgatory doctrine). How many research papers did you wtite on what level "Alexandro" if that is your real name. You sound like someone I know.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#454475 Jun 20, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL not all Jethro, but their are a few in each group.
My cat is not doing well, I have to put her down.
she has lost use of her back legs.
I hate this .
sorry to hear that LT, get one of those little carriages for her back side so she can get around

Since: Dec 11

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#454476 Jun 20, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
So each individual Bishop has authority over their Priests and laity and if doctrinal issues arise, the collective orthodox Bishops take a vote on it?
You are just improvising now. No one said anything like that. Read the Ecclesiology of the Orthodox Church. Each Church constitutes a Church.(Remember where the Bishop is the Church is" ) They do not get their authority from the Patriarch. In your Ecclesiology your Bishops get their authority from the Pope.

Therefore the Bishop safeguards the faith working with other Bishops, the Priest and the people. You need to study Conciliar v Monarchial. The Orthodox Councils used to consult the people of the Church before finalizing a decision because the people knew that the Church had always done and safeguarded the True Faith from innovations.

Not to be disrespectful but I am not hear to teach a class. I just see how off track Caths get when they explain Orthodoxy.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#454477 Jun 20, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
921 939
Dan.....why no response?????
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Here.
I was baptized, which remitted my original sin and joined me to the Kingdom of God.
Good one, huh?
====
Ah said: All Catholics are sprinkled with water as babies.....according to what you are saying....that makes all Catholics Saved....it don't get more simple than that!!!!!
How do you square that with:
For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
How can a baby "hope"?
By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
How can a baby keep in memory what has been preached to it???
I thought Catholics had a concept called the age of accountability.
Aretha 456

Toms River, NJ

#454478 Jun 20, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>The Church changed their belief from Mary maybe did or didnt die before Her Assumption to Mary did die (Dormition- the Ortho Belief. The Catholic Church changed their belief from Purgatory is a place to it isn't a specific place (Ortho belief but still did not believe in the Purgatory doctrine). How many research papers did you wtite on what level "Alexandro" if that is your real name. You sound like someone I know.
I happen to know him from another forum. I also agree with him. The Church didn't change the teaching about the Blessed Mother's Assumption. I see you're calling her just Mary now, too. I remember that teaching from when I was a child in school. The same for purgatory.

Say, how do you like my new name? Catchy, huh? Sure hope "Aretha 123" doesn't mind.

Since: Jan 08

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#454479 Jun 20, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
the awesome thing about being Catholic is that we don't need to bother researching stuff if we don't want to. I know its built on truth. Period..
There is something missing from your accusation; something you're leaving out. It reeks of deception.
I assure you, Catholicism does not deceive. If they let one lie in, then it all comes crashing down anyway.
what am I leaving out? I mentioned that the words "full of grace" are only mentioned twice in the NT and I gave the Books where they might be found.

again in the Book of Acts(concerning Steve) and in John concerning Jesus. may is never mentioned in that type of respect.

NEVER did mary ever give a testimony such as steven gave, nor did she live the life of Jesus. I never read that she ever laid hands on someone and they were healed. HAVE YOU? she had NO fruits such as the Apostles conveyed to people.

all she did was leave he young child alone in a large city. those fruits don't qualify her to b e "full of grace", in leaving Him, she qualifies as a disgrace according to our times and our Laws.

mary was a mortal woman, nothing special about her, she just happened to have had the correct bloodlines which made her available to God to use as a surrogate mother and so God used her in that fashion.

and I think God that in spite of her failure, he sanctified her with the Holy Ghost on the 50 th Day.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#454480 Jun 20, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
The TRUTH has, is and will "ALWAYS" remain in Jesus Christ, in and through HIS One false Apostolic Catholic Church, as it has for over 2000 years, with the emptiness of the FAITH, the Falsehoods of the TRUTH and the OVERABUNDING COMPLETENESS of God GRACE. Paul confirms it in I Timothy 3:15 when he calls THE CHURCH (not the bible alone) the pillar, pinnacle and foundation of the TRUTH. You bible only "fundies" continue to "spin your wheels" (going round and round in circles) with the rest of your other 42,000 inconsistent, contradicting and conflicting Protestant self-interpreting "bible" editorialists..... There is ONLY ONE TRUTH, not 42,000 individual bible only "relative truths" that contradict each other!!!!!
"Timothy 3:15 when he calls THE CHURCH".....jethro,where' s the word catholic? shouldn't it be there?

Since: Dec 11

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#454481 Jun 20, 2013
Aretha 456 wrote:
<quoted text>
I happen to know him from another forum. I also agree with him. The Church didn't change the teaching about the Blessed Mother's Assumption. I see you're calling her just Mary now, too. I remember that teaching from when I was a child in school. The same for purgatory.
Say, how do you like my new name? Catchy, huh? Sure hope "Aretha 123" doesn't mind.
Hi Regina,

The Orthodox Church teaches that Mary died a natural death, like any human being; that her soul was received by Christ upon death; and that her body was resurrected on the third day after her repose, at which time she was taken up, bodily only, into heaven. Her tomb was found empty on the third day.

Roman Catholic teaching holds that Mary was "assumed" into heaven in bodily form, just as her son Jesus ascended.

Some Catholics agree with the Orthodox that this happened after Mary's death, while some hold that she did not experience death.

Pope Pius XII, in his Apostolic constitution, Munificentissimus Deus (1950), which dogmatically defined the Assumption, left open the question of whether or not Mary actually underwent death in connection with her departure, but alludes to the fact of her death at least five times.

However, during a General Audience on 25 June 1997, Pope John Paul II affirmed that Mary did indeed experience natural death prior to her assumption into Heaven.

THE POPE STATED:
It is true that in Revelation death is presented as a punishment for sin. However, the fact that the Church proclaims Mary free from original sin by a unique divine privilege does not lead to the conclusion that she also received physical immortality. The Mother is not superior to the Son who underwent death, giving it a new meaning and changing it into a means of salvation. Involved in Christ’s redemptive work and associated in his saving sacrifice, Mary was able to share in his suffering and death for the sake of humanity’s Redemption. What Severus of Antioch says about Christ also applies to her:“Without a preliminary death, how could the Resurrection have taken place?”(Antijulianistica, Beirut 1931, 194f.). To share in Christ’s Resurrection, Mary had first to share in his death. The New Testament provides no information on the circumstances of Mary’s death. This silence leads one to suppose that it happened naturally, with no detail particularly worthy of mention. If this were not the case, how could the information about it have remained hidden from her contemporaries and not have been passed down to us in some way? As to the cause of Mary’s death, the opinions that wish to exclude her from death by natural causes seem groundless. It is more important to look for the Blessed Virgin’s spiritual attitude at the moment of her departure from this world. In this regard, St Francis de Sales maintains that Mary’s death was due to a transport of love. He speaks of a dying “in love, from love and through love”, going so far as to say that the Mother of God died of love for her Son Jesus (Treatise on the Love of God, bk. 7, ch. XIII-XIV).

Whatever from the physical point of view was the organic, biological cause of the end of her bodily life, it can be said that for Mary the passage from this life to the next was the full development of grace in glory, so that no death can ever be so fittingly described as a “dormition” as hers."

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#454482 Jun 20, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Dang it all anyway. But have faith that whatever happens, it must be accepted as Jehovah's will. It was written by some old "moldy" theologians, so it must be true.
I'd call the gods in on it, but Enlil's boy broke the transceiver clean off the top of the pyramid so Marduk couldn't use it anymore.
Then they all jist up an left! But not before they set ole' Abrum up first...what a sneaky bunch...

Since: Nov 08

usa

#454483 Jun 20, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
Keep in mind that if Jesus was a Jew his Christ-teachings would be of Judaism.
ONLY if he converted to another religion before he died would he support a new religion, and that would make him a traitor TO Judaism.
his teachings would plainly be his fathers teachings,no need to put a name to them except gods word or my fathers word.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#454484 Jun 20, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>sorry to hear that LT, get one of those little carriages for her back side so she can get around
Thought of that jethro, LOL good news she is just getting old, she isn't sick she has arthritis. So she will be good for a while, I was happy to hear that.

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