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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 688786 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Dawson Creek, Canada

#445773 May 28, 2013
marge wrote:
Such a person feeds on ashes; a deluded heart misleads him; he cannot save himself, or say, "Is not this thing in my right hand a lie?"
You prefer to believe that only others could be lead astray of the good stuff ... HUH?

Maybe if a creator exists the creator won't feed the greedy.

Or maybe there is no creator to feed needy greedy humans at all.

It all remains to be seen ... or not.
Human Being

Hosston, LA

#445774 May 28, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>
"Religiousity" is overzealous, imposing, and overbearing behavior in regard to any particular camp or system, of which it is a part.
Black Thunder 42:

Religion in part records history, and yet must take into account things unknown. Therefore it requires discipline. Some people reject any discipline and authority, and put not just themselves, but others, even everyone at risk. So laws are made, not for being overzealous, but for the sake of justice. When going outside of justice, one must impose(restrain) confine the person or society to prevent destruction.

It may seem at times religion is heavy-handed, but it may have also been necessary to prevent chaos, and promote order, and total destruction. It should be more a learning tool.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Dawson Creek, Canada

#445775 May 28, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
You don't understand him, Clay. Salvation is a GIFT from God.
So YOU understand the creator HUH and others don't? And you don't find that statement to be at all based on arrogance???

WOW!!!
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#445776 May 28, 2013
LTM wrote:
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I have seen for myself church's divide because some person doesn't agree with the teachings, and they have gone off and start a different one so that persons beliefs can be taught.
EXACTLY!! That is "precisely" why I left my Protestant "bible only" Church, which divided on three different occasions over a 20 period, because they "couldn't agree" on bible interpretation. It is called "relative truth" Christianity (what each person decides for themselves is the truth"!(Start a new denomination). NO AUTHORITY, NO HEADSHIP, NO ABSOLUTE TRUTH! The Bible (in Pauls writings gives us the ABSOLUTE TRUTH, and THE AUTHORITY, in I Timothy 3:15, where Paul calls "THE CHURCH ( not the bible alone) as the Pillar, Pinnacle and foundation of the TRUTH.---LTM --you can begin to look no further that over 400 years of the Protestant Reformation if you want to find the reasons for "church division", "disgreement of teaching", and "starting up a different denomination" ----Since the 16th century there are now over 42,000+ contradicting, inconsistent and conflicting Protestant bible only denominations of "relative truth" doctrines of belief----(each one)editorializing their own "personal (bible interpretation) opinions. There has, is and will continue to be only ONE TRUTH,--NOT---42,000+ conflicting "relative truths" of the word of God and that TRUTH is (as Paul says in I Timothy 3:15, in the One True Catholic Church established, formed and founded by Jesus Christ HIMSELF!!!

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#445777 May 28, 2013
who="G_O_D"
There is repeatable and verifiable proofs for the existence of wisdom, air, electricity and wind.
Provide the same for your deity.

**********

Look: In the mirror.
In your new baby's face.
At water when you thirst.
And on and on...

All things declare Him...

KayMarie
marge

Leesburg, GA

#445778 May 28, 2013
rosesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok going to ask you like I did LYN. HELP . I don't have an answer to this seriously..
<quoted text>
THANKS
This page might help;

http://biblehub.com/matthew/16-28.htm
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Dawson Creek, Canada

#445779 May 28, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
You don't understand him, Clay. Salvation is a GIFT from God.
You are "presuming" that the god deems you worthy of salvation ... and others only worthy of hell.

What if that astounding arrogance on your behalf defeats your purpose?

What THEN???
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#445780 May 28, 2013
rosesz wrote:
<quoted text>
What is your source for these supposed quotes??
They sound ludicrous
My Source? Martin Luther himself. Many scholarly works confirm he said these things.

D. Martin Luthers Werke, kritische Gesamtausgabe [Hermann Bohlau Verlag, 1893], vol. 2, no. 1472, April 7 - May 1, 1532, p. 33

"Lenz: Briefwechsel, Vol. 1. Pg. 373

"Number 29 in Luther’s long series of seventy-seven sermons on Exodus preached from October 2, 1524, to February 2, 1527" [LW 35:159] in Wittenberg.

Luther's Works, Jena ed., 1558, 2, 116; cited in P. F. O'Hare, "The Facts About Luther", Rockford, 1987

April, 1525, " Werke," Weim. ed., 18, p. 547 ; Erl. ed., 53, p. 342 " Briefwechsel," 5, p. 151)."
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Dawson Creek, Canada

#445781 May 28, 2013
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
This page might help;
http://biblehub.com/matthew/16-28.htm
Helps WHAT?
Religion A Delusion

Titusville, FL

#445782 May 28, 2013
The debate continues, even after many hundreds of years.

Why?

Your god is imaginary, selected to serve your needs.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Dawson Creek, Canada

#445783 May 28, 2013
hojo wrote:
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It is called "relative truth" Christianity (what each person decides for themselves is the truth"!
:)
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>

Brewer’s Dictionary of Phrase & Fable by Ivor H. Evans … First published 1817.

The naked truth. The plain, unvarnished truth; truth without trimmings. The fable says that Truth and Falsehood went bathing; Falsehood came first out of the water, and dressed herself in Truth’s garments. Truth, unwilling to take those of Falsehood, went naked.
Regina

Lakewood, NJ

#445784 May 28, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Clay"
thank you.
I gotta admit, your following quote is troubling:
"Clay, repent and receive Christ by faith, and stop trying to please God with keeping certain rules and doing good works...you'll never make it"
I don't get it. That doesn't seem like something the Apostles would tell people. If that is your motto, its not good. I believe that mentality ushered in the problems our society has today. Everyone seems to boast they're 'saved' while hustling money and pimping hoes.
If you were to tell your niece that, and she turns from the Eucharist, you are going to be held responsible for that. This teaching of yours is against Jesus Christ. Its new and strange, Chuck.
**********
You don't understand him, Clay. Salvation is a GIFT from God. Jesus said that if we BELIEVE on Him, we SHALL be saved.(Greek word interpreted 'shall' actually means 'must' or 'will have to be'.
In other words, if you believe Him, you 'will have to' be given life. Someone on here said the other day, that one will not know until after death, whether they will enter heaven. John wrote that, "these things are written (so) that YOU MAY KNOW..."
Anyone can tell you ABOUT the gift...but ONLY He 'gives' it. No one else can do/afford it.
KayMarie
1John 5:13 - St. John is certain not that his readers will make it to heaven, but that they are filled with the living presence of Christ. His readers are assured that they *possess* Christ, not that they will persevere in His grace until the end. If you go on reading the rest of the chapter you will see that is what he is talking about. This is a prime example of the DANGERS of taking scripture out of context and forcing it to fit one's conclusion.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#445785 May 28, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
New Age Spiritual Leader:
When an artist paints a picture, the last touches are often "brilliant", and very small but "absolutely" necessary. The New Age movement offers different views of a picture, but lacks in "absoluteness", and the picture is unfinished.
Many religious theologies that have been deemed as 'defined', are only defined for the actions of belief while alive, and only include speculation for all aspects of the belief when one dies.
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
There is harmony, contrast, color, may be more complex, or simple, informed, or uninformed, in New Age, and so it appeals to a broad spectrum of minds and spirits as one "enters" the picture.
Sorry if my opinion offends?
Contradiction within the Bible does not constitute harmony.

You've now moved into a different level of identifying the words with another concept, and even then, only part of the wording is harmonized.

Your opinion doesn't offend, but is an incomplete thought. It actually sounds biased toward only your belief. But in fact, there is at least one flaw to this thinking.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#445786 May 28, 2013
Diana La Strega Regina wrote:
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
What is the oldest known religion in the world?
Answer:
Oldest Known Religion:
Religion goes back at least as far as human civilizations. Nobody knows what the first religion was. The Egyptians predate the Jews, The Mesopotamian predate them. The Chinese predate them...
Hinduism: Since Sanskrit is the oldest written language, as far as religion being written down, and as far as organized religion is concerned, it would be Hinduism.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_oldest_ ...
<quoted text>
Your opinion doesn't count.
I've searched multiple sites and the conclusion is Judaism:
Moses 1500-1350 BCE
Hinduism:
2000 BCE.....JETHRO: these dates are not written in stone (no pun intended),there could be something out there that has gone undiscovered,so picking one is not easy an not exact,plus as i said before the catholic church has to open it's archives so the world can find out what they are hiding,and try an find a clue as to what was in the books they burned.there actions dictate to me they don't want the truth known.because the catholic church is not the true church of jesus/god.Unless a passage is found where jesus states a name of his church (which he wouldn't)no one can claim with absolute certainty their church is the true church. and we still have the problem "does god truly exist?" can't prove that either with absolute certainty.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Dawson Creek, Canada

#445787 May 28, 2013
If I trusted theology ... and the theology stated that the one and only god created good and evil ... and I decided to puff my self up as ONLY good ... I would tend to believe that the god would see me as greedy ... NOT holy.

It's obvious that others disagree.
Regina

Lakewood, NJ

#445788 May 28, 2013
CHRIST taught:“Not every one who says to me,'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.”[6]

LUTHER teaches: "...with regard to God, and in all that bears on salvation or damnation,(man) has no 'free-will', but is a captive, prisoner and bond slave, either to the will of God, or to the will of Satan."[7]

"...we do everything of necessity and nothing by 'free-will'; for the power of 'free-will' is nil..."
'Bondage of the Will,''Martin Luther: Selections From His Writings, ed. by Dillenberger, Anchor Books, 1962 p. 190.
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#445789 May 28, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Clay"
thank you.
I gotta admit, your following quote is troubling:
"Clay, repent and receive Christ by faith, and stop trying to please God with keeping certain rules and doing good works...you'll never make it"
I don't get it. That doesn't seem like something the Apostles would tell people. If that is your motto, its not good. I believe that mentality ushered in the problems our society has today. Everyone seems to boast they're 'saved' while hustling money and pimping hoes.
If you were to tell your niece that, and she turns from the Eucharist, you are going to be held responsible for that. This teaching of yours is against Jesus Christ. Its new and strange, Chuck.
**********
You don't understand him, Clay. Salvation is a GIFT from God. Jesus said that if we BELIEVE on Him, we SHALL be saved.(Greek word interpreted 'shall' actually means 'must' or 'will have to be'.
In other words, if you believe Him, you 'will have to' be given life. Someone on here said the other day, that one will not know until after death, whether they will enter heaven. John wrote that, "these things are written (so) that YOU MAY KNOW..."
Anyone can tell you ABOUT the gift...but ONLY He 'gives' it. No one else can do/afford it.
KayMarie
What is "believing"?

Does belief to you mean a simple mental acknowledgment that He is who He says He is?

Or is it possible that truly believing in Him, as Jesus Himself said (and the apostles), means hearing Him and actually DOING what He says?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#445790 May 28, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:

What are being "thrown out"?
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
New Age Spiritual Leader:
When an artist paints a picture, the last touches are often "brilliant", and very small but "absolutely" necessary. The New Age movement offers different views of a picture, but lacks in "absoluteness", and the picture is unfinished.
There is harmony, contrast, color, may be more complex, or simple, informed, or uninformed, in New Age, and so it appeals to a broad spectrum of minds and spirits as one "enters" the picture.
Sorry if my opinion offends?
BTW - you never specifically stated what is being thrown out of any "New Age" philosophies.

You claim there is, but only gave a metaphoric analogy of something.

Please provide specific subjects that New Age philosophy "throws out".

Thanks!
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Dawson Creek, Canada

#445791 May 28, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Your opinion doesn't offend, but is an incomplete thought. It actually sounds biased toward only your belief. But in fact, there is at least one flaw to this thinking.
If we were not all biased to our own beliefs, we wouldn't BE on a forum defending our own beliefs.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#445792 May 28, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
June VanDerMark:
I went yesterday to Memorial Day Services. I am a bit ambivalent on the occasion. It is sad to remember so much suffering and death from war, while at the same time honoring the memory of those who died, and their survivors.
get rid of organized religion and you won't have so many wars.

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