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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 687387 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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LTM

Marathon, Canada

#445692 May 28, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Atheism is a believe that the universe had or has no creator ... not even the one of your dreams.
Religion is the belief in the existence of a creator.
June, I really do think you know what you believe, your so mixed up.
Your all about self, and you are an atheist if you don't believe in God.
In my opinion you believe in nothing, that takes a lot of faith JUne. How do you explain all you see.

My mother use to say believe nothing you hear, and less of what you see.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Dawson Creek, Canada

#445693 May 28, 2013
Human Being wrote:
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Black Thunder 42:
I do keep the tv on, mainly its white noise. I rarely listen to the news, but like TCM(old black/white moves of the 30's), and scan the religious stations before going to bed.
Overall, I grew up in a time when technology was the god, and it promised everything. Now, of course I know that was a deception. Free electricity was the rage, but look at the cost. That was my first big let down in the gods of the modern age.
So I set at work, to learn how to think, as I realized how vulnerably ignorant I was. To me, the gaining of data and observation is always skewed by bias, yet it does propel one forward, even if the end result is failure. Firm resolve produces endurance.
I don't believe that thinking a different way propels anyone "forward."

The concept of moving forward is an illusion that often results in the person being arrogant concerning how much he/she has LEARNED.

I don't perceive I have gone forward.

As always occurred, my beliefs simply changed to suit my own present desires.
Human Being

Hosston, LA

#445694 May 28, 2013
Tiger Lily wrote:
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Metaphorically, silly June.
"Bearing a cross" is to actively feel for having Jesus bear our sins for us.
Tiger Lily:

June is also correct here. Carrying the cross as a burden is one thing, being nailed to it is quite another.

The Christian, depending on their own walk with Jesus may come to that point in their life when they lay down all of themselves for Christ, and be immobilized, and fixedly nailed to the cross. It is an experience of extreme faith, not normally known by most.
rosesz

Pompano Beach, FL

#445695 May 28, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Malls will continue to have Christmas, Easter, Halloween displays as is their right.
From my perspective, people can place whatever suits them on graves, as long as it suits the people that run the cemeteries. I doubt that they would allow a swastika on a grave ... but maybe they would and that would be their right ... until some disgruntled person took them to court ... which would be that person's right.
Advertising the supposed birth of Jesus,(which is a Christian practice) on government property, indicates that Christians RUN the country ... and that breaks the law that separates government from religion.
Sorry but I disagree. Putting a Nativity scene or a,Menorrah on the Holidays does nothing but acknowledge tradition from this country's past.

Having atheists,and their religion outlaw it is making them the religion of the people's.

And the founders only wanted us,NOT to be forced to practice any belief including atheism. The holiday mementos Forced nothing.

Imo
So you don't mind Arlington a government cemetery full of crosses and stars if David..well seriously good.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Dawson Creek, Canada

#445696 May 28, 2013
Human Being wrote:
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Black Thunder 42:
It all depends on what you define as religiosity?
Balance/temperance in all things is more like a well fitted glove, than a glass half full of water.
Are you balanced in your belief, when you believe that you will go to heaven and others will go to hell?

Are you balanced in your belief when you believe that a god loves you because you have the RIGHT way of believing, and others don't?

How much and how far have you gone forward?
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Dawson Creek, Canada

#445697 May 28, 2013
LTM wrote:
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June, I really do think you know what you believe, your so mixed up.
Your all about self, and you are an atheist if you don't believe in God.
In my opinion you believe in nothing, that takes a lot of faith JUne. How do you explain all you see.
My mother use to say believe nothing you hear, and less of what you see.
So from your perception you are not arrogant when you believe that a god saved you, and will punish others because they don't have the same belief as you?
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Dawson Creek, Canada

#445698 May 28, 2013
The World’s Sixteen Crucified Saviors … Christianity before Christ, by Kersey Graves … first published in 1875.

The oldest and probably the original form of the Trinity is that found in the Brahmin and Hindoo systems—the terms of which are—I. Brahma, the Father of supreme God. 2. Vishnue, the incarnate Word and Creator. 3. Siva, the Spirit of God, i.e., the Holy Spirit or Ghost—each answering to corresponding terms of the Christian Trinity, and yet two thousand years older, according to Dr. Smith.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#445699 May 28, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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What do we learn except to defend what we believe as though what we believe should mean something special to others?
You may have since you posted it.
What I believe about anything is mine to own, unless someone should inquire...and even then, I may not indulge them.
If another is forwarding opinions, then I may or may not discuss or provide opposing argument.
That is what "forums" are for.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#445700 May 28, 2013
hojo wrote:
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Show us "in the bible" where every word, every phrase, every sentence MUST be in the bible in order for it to be true!!NOWHERE!! Recorded, authenticated and PROVEN to be TRUE,Apostolic Church history has documented the fact that the Jesus Christs One (and only one) True Church (has, is and will continue to be the Catholic Church, for over 2000 years and that has been "good enough" for the billions and billion of Catholics that have "gone before us with the sign of faith"! It is also proof enough for the 1.168 Billion Catholics (today) around the world and it will CONTINUE to be the same "undeniable proof" for the billions of growing number of (future) Catholics that will follow "this generation"! If you chose to "continue" to live on your "isolated island" of anti-catholic heresy then it becomes "your problem Jethro8. Your wasting your time with this bible only (must be in the bible) "word game" of yours!!! I/we as Catholics worshiping in Jesus Christs PROVEN One True Catholic Church, will continue to pray for you misguided, and misdirected heart, mind and soul!!
well in order to do that, your phony church needs to open their archives to the public so all that's in there can be read,and have the pope speak to god about returning the books that Constantine and the early church people burned with out authority,thanks to those idiots we'll never know the whole truth,they burned the truth.and the new pope,how long you think he's going to be around? speaking out against the mafia!? is he nuts! your going to be needing a new figure head for your phony pagan/christian conglomerate sooner than planned.He must of known his church is in bed with the mafia,or is he trying to get people to think their not? won't work,everyone knows they are,they got caught at it,again another dummy elected pope,you think it was done on purpose? they pick clergy that are not to bright and make them pope?like clay said the pope has a direct line to god what does he need a council for?
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Dawson Creek, Canada

#445701 May 28, 2013
rosesz wrote:
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Sorry but I disagree. Putting a Nativity scene or a,Menorrah on the Holidays does nothing but acknowledge tradition from this country's past.
Having atheists,and their religion outlaw it is making them the religion of the people's.
And the founders only wanted us,NOT to be forced to practice any belief including atheism. The holiday mementos Forced nothing.
Imo
So you don't mind Arlington a government cemetery full of crosses and stars if David..well seriously good.
Disagree as you will ... you would not like the new symbols of the many religions allowed in the America of today placed on government property ... and you KNOW that is true.

You place value ONLY on your Christian religion ... period!

And THAT is NOT fair to others who have different ways of believing.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Dawson Creek, Canada

#445702 May 28, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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You may have since you posted it.
What I believe about anything is mine to own, unless someone should inquire...and even then, I may not indulge them.
If another is forwarding opinions, then I may or may not discuss or provide opposing argument.
That is what "forums" are for.
What's your point?

You already have not answered some of my questions ... and that IS your right.
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#445703 May 28, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Anthony MN"
Yes, people read the same passage and think God is telling them something completely different than what the early Christians believed.
St. Paul tells us that eating and drinking the Eucharist and not discerning the body of the Lord brings damnation upon yourself.
You say no.
Pretty substantial differnce there don't you think?
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Read Paul's notes again. He didn't say that the Corinthians did not discern that Jesus flesh and blood were in the cup. He said that they did not discern that their BROTHERS WERE OF THE BODY OF CHRIST.
The rich did not fellowship with the poor brothers.
KayMarie
1 Cor. 10:16 - Paul asks the question, "the cup of blessing and the bread of which we partake, is it not an actual participation in Christ's body and blood?" Is Paul really asking because He, the divinely inspired writer, does not understand? No, of course not. Paul's questions are obviously rhetorical. This IS the actual body and blood. Further, the Greek word "koinonia" describes an actual, not symbolic participation in the body and blood.

1 Cor. 10:18 - in this verse, Paul is saying we are what we eat. We are not partners with a symbol. We are partners of the one actual body.

1 Cor. 11:23 - Paul does not explain what he has actually received directly from Christ, except in the case when he teaches about the Eucharist. Here, Paul emphasizes the importance of the Eucharist by telling us he received directly from Jesus instructions on the Eucharist which is the source and summit of the Christian faith.

1 Cor. 11:24 - the same translation is used by Paul - "touto mou estin to soma." The statement is "this is really" my body and blood. Nowhere in Scripture does God ever declare something without making it so.

1 Cor. 11:27-29 - in these verses, Paul says that eating or drinking in an unworthy manner is the equivalent of profaning (literally, murdering) the body and blood of the Lord. If this is just a symbol, we cannot be guilty of actually profaning (murdering) it. We cannot murder a symbol. Either Paul, the divinely inspired apostle of God, is imposing an unjust penalty, or the Eucharist is the actual body and blood of Christ.

1 Cor. 11:30 - this verse alludes to the consequences of receiving the Eucharist unworthily. Receiving the actual body and blood of Jesus in mortal sin results in actual physical consequences to our bodies.

1 Cor. 11:27-30 - thus, if we partake of the Eucharist unworthily, we are guilty of literally murdering the body of Christ, and risking physical consequences to our bodies. This is overwhelming evidence for the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. These are unjust penalties if the Eucharist is just a symbol.
Human Being

Hosston, LA

#445704 May 28, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Through the eons of time before the Catholics came up with the Jesus' story, there were many other religions that also preached of savior sons of gods coming back to earth to rescue them.
I have faith in my own ability to know that I should avoid hurting others ... and if that is not enough, then so be it. I can't do better than my best.
They never came to rescue anybody in those religions, and my guess is, there will be no Jesus (a Jew) to rescue you.
Why are so afraid of your self and your supposed sin? If you are a decent person, none of that fear should be allowed to reside in your brain. It's plain silly that you infect yourself with such nonsense.
June VanDerMark:

Propositionally, or practically speaking, the "Second Coming" is more a non-Catholic Christian's ideal, which has gained popularity in our time. To me, it has got to many people chasing their own ideas.

It would be a difficult subject for the Catholic Christian to make a concise exegesis on.

But I am very aware of the doubts of a Second Coming, especially amongst non-believers.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Dawson Creek, Canada

#445705 May 28, 2013
The World’s Sixteen Crucified Saviors … Christianity before Christ, by Kersey Graves … first published in 1875.

As everybody then believed in miracles (at least everybody who dared speak) there was nobody to investigate the reports of such occurrences, to learn whether they were true or false.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#445706 May 28, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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So from your perception you are not arrogant when you believe that a god saved you, and will punish others because they don't have the same belief as you?
A christian is not arrogant because that have become a believer in Jesus Christ and are born again

any more than a baby is arrogant when it seeks food from it mothers breast when it is born...

Both sustains life.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#445707 May 28, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Then fly at it ... pretending that you ALSO know the meanings of all the scriptures as the authors intended.
I never said that. But I will state my opinion of what they mean based upon learnings that I have from studying.

If you have a better one - then state it. If not, they you really don't have a reason to question mine.

Cheers.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Dawson Creek, Canada

#445708 May 28, 2013
Many Christians believe that miracles come their way. But from what I've observed, they don't believe that the one and only god would bless a Muslim with a miracle.

For those who want to see, there is a huge amount of greed by the Christians in that picture.

And the reverse is the same for the Muslims. They seem certain that the one god only blesses them with miracles.
rosesz

Pompano Beach, FL

#445709 May 28, 2013
LTM wrote:
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Give me the post maybe if I can't help maybe someone else can.[/QUOTE[QUOTE who="Doubt1ng Th0mas"]<quoted text>
Could people have a mistaken idea that we are in the end times as you have alluded?
Your very own Jesus, the avatar of god, with his very own words got it wrong so why shouldn’t man?
Numerous passages in the Bible portray Jesus clearly stating that the Second Coming would occur within the lifetime of his disciples.
"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." Matthew 24:34
C.S. Lewis called this "the most embarrassing verse in the Bible" in The World’s Last Night and Other Essays.
Three more verses explicitly state that some of the people listening to Jesus as he preached would not die before he returned.
"Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." Matthew 16:28
"And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power." Mark 9:1
"But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God." Luke 9:27
Just some more proof that the bible that you hold up as the definitive word of god , is NOT!
Was from another forum??
Human Being

Hosston, LA

#445710 May 28, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
From the book “Twisted Scriptures,” by Mary Alice Chrnalogar, published in 1997.
Under hypnosis, you can be convinced that a bee is on your nose. You can see it and feel it, even though it isn’t really there. This deception can be so powerful that, if you are told that the bee has stung, a reddening swelling may appear and you will feel pain. Similarly, if someone convinces you that God will give you a command for everything you do in life, even to the tiniest detail, you will imagine that you hear commands from God. That doesn’t mean that God is really directing you. It only means that your mind imagines it to be true.
June VanDerMark:

The brain, for the most part is the most intense of our "senses". For this reason the brain can be easily deceived.

What is interesting is how narrowly we define our conclusions, as a means of acting out survival.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#445711 May 28, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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OH please DO explain what YOU mean by enlightened.
My definition is probably different from yours, and even these, so what would you like to use as our basis when discussing?

If you need, I can make an executive decision on the word usage, if you don't want to.

en·light·en/&#603;n&#7 12;la&#618;tn/
verb (used with object)
1. to give intellectual or spiritual light to; instruct; impart knowledge to: We hope the results of our research will enlighten our colleagues.
2. Archaic. to shed light upon.

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en·light·en·ment/&#603;n &#712;la&#618;tnm& #601;nt/
[en-lahyt-n-muhnt]
noun
1. the act of enlightening.
2. the state of being enlightened: to live in spiritual enlightenment.
3.( usually initial capital letter ) Buddhism, Hinduism. prajna.
4. the Enlightenment, a philosophical movement of the 18th century, characterized by belief in the power of human reason and by innovations in political, religious, and educational doctrine.

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