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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 675527 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#445487 May 27, 2013
Human Being wrote:
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Black Thunder 42:
We, in our limited brains do not know perfection. We have a concept. And we begin building from that concept.
In heaven, when we "see" perfection, we will still have the free-will to reject it. But with all expectation, aside, that perfection we have searched for and found we won't reject.
I understand what you are saying about "concept".

What I am stating is that the very writing of genesis is incorrect by it's own words...and the concept of "fallen" angels shows that "heaven" is also corrupt in it's essence.
It was written by men who had no concept of "perfection", nor of the essence of creation. It is misleading and erroneous.

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#445488 May 27, 2013
To be certain that you will be rewarded for fighting over who the supposed creator loves ... leaves a lot to be desired.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#445489 May 27, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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If you want to believe that according to the theology Jehovah created only good, then that is your problem.
You have no explanation ... that is WHY you don't try to explain.
You are full of hot air.
~~~

ADAM AND EVE OPENED UP ALL HUMANITY TO/IN WHAT THE BIBLE CALLS GOOD AND EVIL...

WHEN THEY LISTENED TO THE DEVIL AND DID HIS THING...AND GAVE HIM

WHAT GOD HAD GIVEN TO THEN..

God's word about them after their sin in Genesis is...

Gen_3:22 And the LORD God said,

Behold,

the man is become as one of us,

to know good and evil: and

now, lest he put forth his hand, and

take also of the tree of life, and eat, and

live for ever:

Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

Gen 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

BEFORE THAT ALL THINGS WERE GOOD.

___

FOR THOSE THAT WILL RECEIVE HIM, AS THEIR LORD AND SAVIOR...

JESUS IS OUR TREE OF ETERNAL LIFE...AND WE ARE THE BRANCHES..

HE IS THE SOURCE OF OUR EXISTENCE...

JESUS SAID..

Joh_15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

Joh_15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#445490 May 27, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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PAUL DID NOT GLORY IN.THE..CRUCIFIXION OF CHRIST.
HE GLORIED IN HIS DEATH AND RESURRECTION
THAT WHICH .HIS..CRUCIFIXION AND HIS RESURRECTION
BROUGHT TO HUMANITY.
~~~
YOU ROMAN CATHOLICS ALWAYS GLORY IN HIS DEATH...
I HAVE NEVER SEEN YOU DISPLAY ANY THING THAT SYMBOLIZE HIS RESURRECTION...
YOUR symbolic CRUCIFIX IS ONLY A PART OF THE EVENT...
You have no hope of resurrection for yourselves...
so I guess you will never display any symbol of hope...Right?
That's a lie. And you have never seen because you have never looked.

Part of the Nicene Creed recited at EVERY SUNDAY MASS:

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.

One of the following is recited AT EVERY SINGLE MASS:

We proclaim your Death, O Lord,
and profess your Resurrection,
until you come again.

or

When we eat this Bread and drink this Cup,
we proclaim your Death, O Lord,
until you come again.

or

Save us, Saviour of the world,
for by your Cross and Resurrection
you have set us free.
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#445491 May 27, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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Answer you own question...I have not built my Hope upon Peter..
as far as I am concerned ...
JESUS NEVER HAD TO CLOSE UP A SHOP THAT HE NEVER OPENED...
AND YOU HAVE NO PROOF THAT HE EVER DID...
IT IS WRITTEN OF The apostles, Barnabas and Paul
Act 14:27 And when they were come, and had gathered the church together, they rehearsed all that God had done with them, and how he had opened the door of faith unto the Gentiles.
THEY SAID NOTHING ABOUT IT BEING OPENED BY PETER...
You deny Jesus's own words. That's on you confrinting.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#445492 May 27, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
Observe how the Jews, Catholics, Protestants and Muslims fight over the attention of the one supposed god ... and surely you can see the stupidity of it all.
It's nothing but envy and jealousy over who god loves and who god will punish.
Ridiculous!
~~~

Ridiculous?

THEN WHAT MOTIVATES YOU?

There is no neutral ground...

Who/what/why are you posting. to/for ?
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#445493 May 27, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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anyone can copy a book, and add their stories to it.
Spirit - why you cannot read this or see this, I do not understand.
Yes!! And anyone can read a book (in this case, the bible) and "make it mean ONLY what they want it to mean"! You my friend, as well as your other bible only (self-interpreting -editorialists) are a "perfect example" of "Relative Truth" Christians who just "make it up" as you go along, forever "failing" in your vain attempts to change over 2000 years of the TRUTH of TRUE Apostolic Church History and TRUE biblical interpretation of the bible, that was authentically interpreted by the Early Church FAthers in 397 AD giving you Protestants the bible that you so "conveniently mis-interpret to your own "destruction"!
Why don't YOU believe the "spoken, stated and expressed words" of Jesus HIMSELF in Matthew 16 regarding His One True (Universal-Catholic) Apostolic Church---AND---Our Lords (clearly revealed words) in John 6:47-59 regarding His Words< "For unless you eat my body (which is REAL FOOD) and drink my blood which is (REAL DRINK)---you CANNOT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE!!!! His words cannot be any clearer for you to understand NEW AGE!!
marge

Leesburg, GA

#445494 May 27, 2013
Clay wrote:
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I read the Bible and I clearly see Christ starting a Church and Peter headed it while Jesus departed. THIS KAY, is scripture alone. You guys claim you're sola scripture, but the most blatant writings are denied.
You know in your heart that Bible Alone is a false teaching. You know Our Lord never taught this. We showed you when it was invented and by who. There should be no more argument.
well that's not how it reads to me Clay maybe one of us has a discernment problem.

And yes, I believe the Lord taught us to use 'what is written' to live our lives.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#445495 May 27, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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You deny Jesus's own words. That's on you confrinting.
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YOU MEAN I DENY WHAT YOU ROMAN CATHOLICS READ INTO THE WORDS

OF JESUS...

YOU edit them to make them say what you want them to...

IT TAKES TWO OR MORE SCRIPTURES FROM THE BIBLE

TO SUBSTANTIATE A DOCTRINE...

There are no other scriptures to..

co-relate

cross-reference or

validate

what you claim ...even if it said what you claim it does...

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#445496 May 27, 2013
Human Being wrote:
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Black Thunder 42:
You have a lot going on in this post.
But if one acts from the gut, it is because the intestines have their own "brain", which in the human being is about the size of a cat's brain!
It seems you are substituting quantum level phenomena with spirituality. I am not saying there is not a connection, but not an equality. This is just a modern theory, which has a lot of equations, but not much "substance" yet in fact(If you know what I mean?).
Reducing a human being to being a fractal in a fractal world? I will have to think about it. Hmmm. Fractals are mathematical descriptions(I have played with a fractal generating program, and enjoyed it.) But viewing the world as a fractal? I just don't think humans are fractals.
No I'm not.
I was showing by physical example the workings of the ALL. How it all works together as a comprised unit from the very top to the very minute bottom, and how we are beginning to understand the big picture. Then I tried to explain the spiritual and essence connection, and the teachings of Jesus to that effect. The "belly and the heart" are ancient metaphors, and also used in the teachings of the bible.
I guess you just can't understand.
If or when you do, you will know what Jesus was talking about. Your church doesn't seem to have done a very good job of teaching you the most important lessons.
I tried.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#445497 May 27, 2013
WHY DON'T YOU READ YOUR BIBLEW

JESUS GAVE AUTHORITY TO ALL HIS APOSTLES

AND APOSTLES EXIST TODAY...

John 20:21-23 Then said Jesus to THEM again,

"Peace be unto you.

As My Father has sent Me, so send I you".

And when He had said this,

He breathed on THEM, and said unto THEM,

"Receive the Holy Ghost.

Whose soever sins you remit,

they are remitted unto them; and whose soever

sins you retain, they are retained."

WHY DO YOU SELFISHLY LIMIT THE POWER OF GOD JUST
TO ONE MAN?

AND CLAIM HE IS GOD ONLY REPRESENTATIVE ON EARTH..

I CAN ONLY CONCLUDE THAT...

IF YOU FOLLOWED THE TRUTH OF THE BIBLE...YOUR

CHURCH WOULD PROVE IT SELF TO BE THE FARCE THAT IT REALLY IS.
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#445498 May 27, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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why you cannot read this or see this, I do not understand.
**eat the flesh of the Son of Man, you have no life in you.- listen to what I teach and understand that what I teach is for your own good / I teach about the Spirit within each of you / I teach about the Self
**Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
- Know that when I teach you, understand that this teachings is not of me, but of the Father of us all / He teaches me to teach you. This Knowledge comes from me (a metaphor of 'flesh and blood') so heed it and understand.
**********
Giving me passages to decipher for you, I will. Understanding them will take you to uphold.
Why don't you believe Jesus.
You NEW AGE are (the one) that is unable to believe the TRUTH of Jesus because of your "inability comprehend the TRUTH of the TRUE MEANING of the Words of Jesus. What Jesus actually meant is no surprise to ANY of the 1.168+ billion Catholics around the world, nor to the billions of Catholic-Christians that have "gone before us--marked with the sign of faith"!! The TRUE INTERPRETATION of the "Canon of Scripture" from the Early Church fAthers in 397 AD has been PROVEN AS TRUTH for over 2000 years, substantiated and confirmed by the "overwhelming Church Historian Apologistic authors and writers BOTH Catholic and Protestant. The fact is New Age is that you are so "caught up" in "YOUR OWN" 21st century (MODERNISTIC) opinionated "anti-catholic" interpretation" of the bible that "blindness, and deafness to the REAL TRUTH has "escaped your ability to "comprehend the TRUE MEANING OF THE WORDS (EXPRESSLY SPOKEN) by Jesus HIMSELF!!!

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#445499 May 27, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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~~~
Ridiculous?
THEN WHAT MOTIVATES YOU?
My conscience motivates me to believe that when devout believers fight over who knows that the god loves them and will punish others ... something is very wrong with the religion itself.

In that regard I listened to my conscience even as a small child, and that is why theologians could not lure me into their divisive cults by emphasizing that they all knew the truth straight from "god."

You SO MUCH desire to believe that YOU are special, you are willing to believe that the same god that loves you, will punish others.

And you are PROUD of your belief!!!
Human Being

Ville Platte, LA

#445500 May 27, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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What a pile of slop in that supposed explanation.
Why are you SO intent on the idea that you will accept the part of the scripture that states Jehovah create "good" ... yet you dismiss the part of the scripture that states that he created "evil?"
Your problem IS, you only digest what you find digestible and pleasing to your own belief ... and nothing else is allowed entry.
June VanDerMark:

In the first place you are trying to make me explain something that does not exist in the scripture, Is 45:7 does not say God creates evil....the critical part of the verse to which you refer goes something like this in our language:(God) makes completeness, soundness, welfare, peace (and God) shapes/creates evil, distress, misery, injury, calamity.

Our definition of evil in modern language, came from older English carried forward, but means something more like "rottenness", as in the rotting away of a log from within.

You just can't look superficially at an "eye-catching" phrase and think you solved the mysteries of the Bible.(Most who begin their studies of the Bible fall prey to this, I know I have been guilty of doing it, and probably will continue to do so. I have fortunately got a little Greek and Hebrew in my brain, so I just relate easier to the meanings now than in my earlier years.

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#445501 May 27, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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~~~
ADAM AND EVE OPENED UP ALL HUMANITY TO/IN WHAT THE BIBLE CALLS GOOD AND EVIL...
You overlook that within the theology it was the god who created Adam and Eve KNOWING they would sin and drag the people of the world into depravation.

Had he not created them ... we would still all be half good and half evil ... as Jehovah created us.

It's very silly stuff indeed ... but you wanted that salvation ... and so you ended up where you are today ... stuck in mental bondage to human-created words ... but ONLY to the words that reflect to you that YOU are special.

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#445502 May 27, 2013
If you observe the words of all preachers of religion that believe in good and evil ... not one of them will say "I am part good and part evil."

They all claim they are good and others are evil.

Those claims are totally based on arrogance.
marge

Leesburg, GA

#445503 May 27, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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You deny Jesus's own words. That's on you confrinting.
The Great Commission

16Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said,“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

where do you see Peter above the other disciples?
marge

Leesburg, GA

#445504 May 27, 2013
"All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
Human Being

Ville Platte, LA

#445505 May 27, 2013
Regina wrote:
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Human, did you pray today's Office of Readings yet? It's related to human suffering (Job). I found it so helpful that I printed it out. Have to get that Breviary, although I'm looking at the one-volume with the red cover which doesn't have the Office of Readings.
Regina:
Yes. I start with both Morning and Office, everyday. We just started the Book of Job yesterday.

I went to Amazon for you to see, and make sure you are getting the correct volume which does have the Office readings. I am not sure of which one you were looking at.

http://www.amazon.com/Liturgy-Hours-Ordinary-...

I try to sing, meditate, and pray the Hours. One should be open to being moved. God loves it when one sings the Bible back to Him.(Kind of a secret....)
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#445506 May 27, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
YOU MEAN I DENY WHAT YOU ROMAN CATHOLICS READ INTO THE WORDS
OF JESUS...
YOU edit them to make them say what you want them to...
IT TAKES TWO OR MORE SCRIPTURES FROM THE BIBLE
TO SUBSTANTIATE A DOCTRINE...
There are no other scriptures to..
co-relate
cross-reference or
validate
what you claim ...even if it said what you claim it does...
Start with the Gospel of St. Matthew:

Matt. 10:2; Mark 1:36; 3:16; Luke 6:14-16; Acts 1:3; 2:37; 5:29 - these are some of many examples where Peter is mentioned first among the apostles.

Matt. 14:28-29 - only Peter has the faith to walk on water. No other man in Scripture is said to have the faith to walk on water. This faith ultimately did not fail.

Matt. 16:16, Mark 8:29; John 6:69 - Peter is first among the apostles to confess the divinity of Christ.

Matt. 16:17 - Peter alone is told he has received divine knowledge by a special revelation from God the Father.

Matt. 16:18 - Jesus builds the Church only on Peter, the rock, with the other apostles as the foundation and Jesus as the Head.

Matt. 16:19 - only Peter receives the keys, which represent authority over the Church and facilitate dynastic succession to his authority.

Matt. 17:24-25 - the tax collector approaches Peter for Jesus' tax. Peter is the spokesman for Jesus. He is the Vicar of Christ.

Matt. 17:26-27 - Jesus pays the half-shekel tax with one shekel, for both Jesus and Peter. Peter is Christ's representative on earth.

Matt. 18:21 - in the presence of the disciples, Peter asks Jesus about the rule of forgiveness. One of many examples where Peter takes a leadership role among the apostles in understanding Jesus' teachings.

Matt. 19:27 - Peter speaks on behalf of the apostles by telling Jesus that they have left everything to follow Him.

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