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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 699452 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Womba

Stillwater, OK

#444634 May 24, 2013
This incredible thread (>400, 000 posts) began on July 10, 2007 in response to a controversial statement by a prior pope, Benedict XVI. Isn't it time for the new pope the clarify the Church's position? Then you can retrieve all the hatchets you want!
Regina

Lakewood, NJ

#444635 May 24, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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So you go outside of the bible for TRUTH, when you claim the ONLY truth comes FROM the bible???
:)
No, he does not believe that. That's a protestant invention....bible alone, sola scriptura. You don't know what you're talking about, do you, June?
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Delta, Canada

#444636 May 24, 2013
Human Being wrote:
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I suppose it takes a bit a discipline, practice, but most of all observing someone who esteems others more highly than themselves.
And of course you perceive YOU have that discipline ... while at the same time you believe in a religion that teaches that you will go to heaven and others will burn in hell.

Who could you possibly perceive as more GRAND and worthy and "charming" than you???

The person doesn't exist. You align your self in your own imagination with the supposed savior, who is to you ... top dog ... spelled backwards top god.

Despicable.
Human Being

Ville Platte, LA

#444638 May 24, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Yes all churches use the Bible that the "Catholics" supposed decided upon.
- The canon you read today wasn't finalized until around the late 5th C.
- Men deciding what you are to believe. It worked in antiquity, it doesn't work today.
+ In fact, with the literacy in today's world, well beyond anything of the pre-1000 CE years, logic, reason, knowledge and understanding has revealed that much of what is in the Bible is missing information, just to sway the reader into some unfounded perception and "lifestyle".
Yep they got it wrong and duped many millions.
It will be guys and gals like us that will need to help them understand this. It is a long tough road, but the Light is beginning to shine through.
Unfortunately, we can only express our concerns, it is the requiremement of the individual to express their honesty.
Cheers!
New Age Spiritual Leader:

I can agree with you in some ways. In the past it has been the Fathers and Doctors of the Church that became literate and passed on that literacy, learning, and thinking.(If you reject the past, though you risk loosing your direction.)

One does not learn, without a teacher.

Knowing a lot of data, and theories is not going to make a person enlightened, unless you want to be a computer.

What is needed is the presentation of conflicting material, in which a person is told to think, but first they must be taught how to think. And that is lacking, more so today, than in the past.
Just Sayin

Nashville, TN

#444639 May 24, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Theologians ... whether the ones whose dogmas you idolize, or the ones whose dogmas other people idolize have no proof of the existence of god or goddesses ... and that is the truth.
Words written by the millions by ignorant theologians whose stories don't coincide with other stories of other theologians is not proof that men wrote words of truth.
Not even close.
When you insist that your god is real and other gods are false ... surely you can see that is simply the claims of a braggart.
If you can't, or won't ... there is something wrong with you.
Here's a video for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

(Part 1 of 4)
Just Sayin

Nashville, TN

#444640 May 24, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
So you go outside of the bible for TRUTH, when you claim the ONLY truth comes FROM the bible???
:)
No, I don't claim the only truth comes from the Bible. That's a protestant thing.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Delta, Canada

#444641 May 24, 2013
Regina wrote:
<quoted text>
Again......I am not a fundie.
Whatever you are, you are not an original Christian.

If you believe Jesus loves everyone ... why will Muslims and Jews (just for starters) not be allowed in heaven unless they convert to Christianity?

As does Billy Graham, I suggest you don't try to SLIDE the idea by me now, that Jesus loves everyone ... when hell is there for those who are rejected.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Delta, Canada

#444642 May 24, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's a video for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
(Part 1 of 4)
I don't watch your slop.

I read enough on this forum to comprehend that you an arrogant self-serving preacher of nonsense.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Delta, Canada

#444643 May 24, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I don't claim the only truth comes from the Bible. That's a protestant thing.
Well, if you are a devout Christian, you SHOULD!

Evil deceivers are everywhere except in your bible ... aren't they???

tongue in cheek
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Delta, Canada

#444644 May 24, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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None of these folks can explain the 1400 year black hole between the end of Revelation and Luther.
PLEASE ... DO educate us on your concept of truth.
Human Being

Ville Platte, LA

#444645 May 24, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
And of course you perceive YOU have that discipline ... while at the same time you believe in a religion that teaches that you will go to heaven and others will burn in hell.
Who could you possibly perceive as more GRAND and worthy and "charming" than you???
The person doesn't exist. You align your self in your own imagination with the supposed savior, who is to you ... top dog ... spelled backwards top god.
Despicable.
June VanDerMark:

I have what I have, and I don't have what I do not have.

The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away. Blessed be the name of the Lord.

I know what you are writing, on an imagined and supposed, ideal savior. The question/answer is not so much based on my approval or rejection, as to its validity, reality, or even what is real to me.

If, and I say boldly, if the virtues of Christianity did not work, I would abandon them.

It just seems to me, just as someone believes in a past golden age, some like you are ready to condemn the past. Both are vanity.

It is far better to live in the here and now, and not project some ideal in either direction.
Just Sayin

Nashville, TN

#444646 May 24, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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None of these folks can explain the 1400 year black hole between the end of Revelation and Luther. And our friend Preston has a particular distaste for St. Ignatius (I think he called him a kook for going willingly to the lions) because he can't fathom the possibility that he was taught by the apostles and yet so vehemently contradicts his fundamentalist revival tradition.
Yeah, I don't understand the vicious disrespect some people who call themselves christians have for Mary, select apostles, early Church Fathers, Doctors of the Church, various saints and clergy.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Delta, Canada

#444647 May 24, 2013
Human Being wrote:
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One does not learn, without a teacher.
You CHOSE to be a Christian because you liked the teaching that YOU would be saved.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#444648 May 24, 2013
TO REGINA:Were the Early Christians Roman Catholics?

Mary Ann Collins
(A Former Catholic Nun)

www.CatholicConcerns.com
February 2002

The Roman Catholic Church claims that the early Christians were all Roman Catholics, and that (aside from the Orthodox Church) all Christians were Roman Catholics until the Protestant Reformation. It claims that the Apostle Peter was the first Pope, ruling from Rome. It also claims that it gave us the Bible.

But do these claims stand up to the test of history? Or are they false credentials?

There is historical evidence that the Roman Catholic Church began with Emperor Constantine. Many Protestants believe that throughout Church history, there have been many true Christians who were not Catholics, and these Christians were often killed by the Catholic Church. They also believe that Peter was just one of the apostles, and that the Catholic Church only copied and preserved the Bible, which God had already given to us.

EMPEROR CONSTANTINE

On October 28, 312 A.D., the Roman Emperor Constantine met with Bishop Miltiades.(Catholics would later refer to him as Pope Miltiades. But at the time he was known as the Bishop of Rome.) Miltiades was assisted by Silvester, a Roman who spoke educated Latin, and acted as interpreter. The previous day, Constantine had seen a sign in the heavens: a cross in front of the sun. He heard a voice say, "In this sign you will conquer." He painted crosses on the shields of his soldiers. He won an important battle, and was convinced that it was because of the power of the sign that he had seen. He asked for two of the nails that were used to crucify Jesus. One nail was made into a bit for his horse. Another nail was made a part of his crown, signifying that Constantine ruled the Roman Empire in the name of Jesus. He allowed Miltiades to keep the third nail.[Note 1]

The fact that Constantine saw the cross and the sun together may explain why he worshiped the Roman sun god while at the same time professing to be a Christian. After his "conversion," Constantine built a triumphal arch featuring the Roman sun god (the "unconquered sun"). His coins featured the sun. Constantine made a statue of the sun god, with his own face on it, for his new city of Constantinople. He made Sunday (the day of the sun god) into a day of rest when work was forbidden.[Note 2]

Constantine declared that a mosaic of the Roman sun god (riding in a chariot) was a representation of Jesus. During Constantine's reign, many Christians incorporated worship of the Roman sun god into their religion. They prayed kneeling towards the east (where the sun rises). They said that Jesus Christ drives his chariot across the sky (like the Roman sun god). They had their worship services on Sunday, which honored the Roman sun god.(Days of the week were named to honor pagan gods. For example, Saturday is "Saturn's day," named for the Roman god Saturn.) They celebrated the birth of Jesus on December 25, the day when sun worshipers celebrated the birthday of the sun following the winter solstice.[Note 3]

Since: Nov 08

usa

#444649 May 24, 2013
regina:Historians disagree as to whether or not Constantine actually became a Christian. His character certainly did not reflect the teachings of Jesus Christ. Constantine was vain, violent, and superstitious. His combination of worshiping the Christian God and the old Roman sun god may have been an attempt to cover all the bases.(A similar spirit can be seen in Americans who financially support both opposing candidates during an election. No matter who wins, they expect to have the favor of the person in power.) Constantine had little if any respect for human life. He was known for wholesale slaughter during his military campaigns. He forced prisoners of war to fight for their lives against wild beasts. He had several family members (including his second wife) executed for doubtful reasons. Constantine waited until he was dying before he asked to be baptized. Historians disagree as to whether or not he actually was baptized.[Note 4]

Constantine wanted to have a state Church, with Christian clergy acting as civil servants. He called himself a Bishop. He said that he was the interpreter of the Word of God, and the voice which declares what is true and godly. According to historian Paul Johnson, Constantine saw himself as being an important agent of salvation, on a par with the apostles. Bishop Eusebius (Constantine's eulogist) relates that Constantine built the Church of the Apostles with the intention of having his body be kept there along with the bodies of the apostles. Constantine's coffin was to be in the center (the place of honor), with six apostles on each side of him. He expected that devotions honoring the apostles would be performed in the church, and he expected to share the title and honor of the apostles.[Note 5]

Constantine told Bishop Miltiades that he wanted to build two Christian basilicas, one dedicated to the Apostle Peter and one dedicated to the Apostle Paul. He offered a large, magnificent palace for the use of Miltiades and his successors. Miltiades refused. He could not accept the idea of having Christianity be promoted by the Roman Empire.[Note 6]

Constantine rode off to war. By the time that he returned in 314 A.D., Miltiades had died. Bishop Silvester was Miltiades' successor. Silvester was eager to have the Church be spread using Roman roads, Roman wealth, Roman law, Roman power, and Roman military might. Constantine officially approved of Silvester as the successor of Miltiades. Then he had a coronation ceremony for Silvester and crowned him like a worldly prince. No bishop had ever been crowned before.[Note 7] Constantine's actions give the impression that
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Delta, Canada

#444650 May 24, 2013
Regina wrote:
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No, he does not believe that. That's a protestant invention....bible alone, sola scriptura. You don't know what you're talking about, do you, June?
I know that the original Christian claim was that people who did not believe in Jesus as their savior would burn in hell.

You are trying to change the basis of Christianity to suit your own desires.
Regina

Lakewood, NJ

#444651 May 24, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Regina"
Or an imperfect sinner, as we all are. We're to strive for perfection, picking ourselves up and trying again with God's help each time we fall. It's more of a problem when we refuse to admit our sins and deliberately continue in them, i.e. bigoted and slanderous statements against Christ's church even after one has been corrected. But with repentence there's hope even for that soul. Rejection of God would be another "rule" one would be a Crazy Person to break.
:)
**********
Your First Sentence: Grade A
Your Second Sentence: Grade A
Problem: What is Christ's church? I know that you will say that it is the Catholic church.
I respect the leaders that we have known in churches we have served, but all of them were men. Some were VERY GOOD men; some had problems. Some even failed. To say that mortal men are THE church of God, is to put too much 'faith' in mortal men. Christ is the head of His church, and no mortal man can be 'head' of that church, he can only serve it. The Holy Spirit directs the steps of righteous men as they serve in the church of God.
To question the teachings/practices of a group calling itself a church is NOT slanderous. To practice/teach false things IS slander against HIM.
KayMarie
Kay, you are not my teacher. I find your first three sentences very condescending. Please stop it.

You downplay "church" because your "church" was not founded by Jesus Christ. When a Catholic refers to the Church, it has a much deeper, richer meaning. It is spiritual, it is visible, it is God's, it belongs to Him. No words I could say here would come close to conveying it's true meaning which we, as Catholics, know in our hearts, minds, and souls.

There are thousands of examples of what God has given us through His Church. I'll start with this one: The Liturgy of the Hours/The Divine Office.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#444652 May 24, 2013
to regina:Before Constantine's "conversion," Christians were persecuted. Now, instead of facing persecution, Bishop Silvester lived in the lap of luxury. He had a beautiful palace, with the finest furniture and art. He wore silk brocade robes. He had servants to wait on him. Near his palace was a basilica which was to serve as his cathedral. This luxurious building had seven altars made of gold, a canopy of solid silver above the main altar, and 50 chandeliers. The imperial mail system and transportation system were placed at Silvester's disposal. It was now possible to have worldwide church councils.[Note 8]

Read the Book of Acts and the Epistles and compare the Church shown there to the Church of Bishop Silvester. Here is how the Apostle Paul described the kinds of things that he had to endure, as a leader in the early Church.

"Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one. Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep; In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren; In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness." (2 Corinthians 11:24-27)

After Constantine's "conversion," the Church was radically changed. Suddenly, being Christian resulted in power, prestige, and promotion (whereas previously it had resulted in persecution). Suddenly, by the Emperor's decree, Christianity became "politically correct". So ambitious people joined the Church for worldly reasons. The Bishop of Rome was supported by the military might, political power, and wealth of the Roman Emperor. Worldwide church councils were convened.

This was the birth of the Roman Catholic Church. It was created in the year 314 A.D. by Emperor Constantine and Bishop Silvester.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Delta, Canada

#444653 May 24, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
June VanDerMark:
I have what I have, and I don't have what I do not have.
You think you have cornered the market on salvation.

You don't WANT to see your own arrogance.

If you thought for one second that you were going to be burning in hell, you would throw your bible away and wish to believe something better.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#444654 May 24, 2013
to regina:Were the Early Christians Roman Catholics?

Mary Ann Collins
(A Former Catholic Nun)

www.CatholicConcerns.com
February 2002

The Roman Catholic Church claims that the early Christians were all Roman Catholics, and that (aside from the Orthodox Church) all Christians were Roman Catholics until the Protestant Reformation. It claims that the Apostle Peter was the first Pope, ruling from Rome. It also claims that it gave us the Bible.

But do these claims stand up to the test of history? Or are they false credentials?

There is historical evidence that the Roman Catholic Church began with Emperor Constantine. Many Protestants believe that throughout Church history, there have been many true Christians who were not Catholics, and these Christians were often killed by the Catholic Church. They also believe that Peter was just one of the apostles, and that the Catholic Church only copied and preserved the Bible, which God had already given to us.

EMPEROR CONSTANTINE

On October 28, 312 A.D., the Roman Emperor Constantine met with Bishop Miltiades.(Catholics would later refer to him as Pope Miltiades. But at the time he was known as the Bishop of Rome.) Miltiades was assisted by Silvester, a Roman who spoke educated Latin, and acted as interpreter. The previous day, Constantine had seen a sign in the heavens: a cross in front of the sun. He heard a voice say, "In this sign you will conquer." He painted crosses on the shields of his soldiers. He won an important battle, and was convinced that it was because of the power of the sign that he had seen. He asked for two of the nails that were used to crucify Jesus. One nail was made into a bit for his horse. Another nail was made a part of his crown, signifying that Constantine ruled the Roman Empire in the name of Jesus. He allowed Miltiades to keep the third nail.[Note 1]

The fact that Constantine saw the cross and the sun together may explain why he worshiped the Roman sun god while at the same time professing to be a Christian. After his "conversion," Constantine built a triumphal arch featuring the Roman sun god (the "unconquered sun"). His coins featured the sun. Constantine made a statue of the sun god, with his own face on it, for his new city of Constantinople. He made Sunday (the day of the sun god) into a day of rest when work was forbidden.[Note 2]

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