Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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Just Sayin

Antioch, TN

#443640 May 22, 2013
Religion A Delusion wrote:
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You're in luck.
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If you choose to pray, end all your prayers with 'Ramen.'
Had to laugh at that one!
Yahchanan

Piedmont, OK

#443641 May 22, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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All those who preach supposed religious truths, can't, won't, don't agree.
If I believe you, then I have to disbelieve someone else.
If you preach that you know truth because you read what you believe are words from a holy book ... I will never trust you ... because I have been deceived by well-meaning people who preached lies while being absolutely certain that they were preaching truth.
When you are certain the you know what is beyond human ability TO know ... without even being aware ... you become a liar.
I left religion (in part) because I realized my own judgment was faulty, and that I was unable to explain what was beyond my ability TO explain.
you got burned by the system.as I did I was raised a baptist and grew up to learn i was taught nothing but lies.

Since: Sep 09

Vanderhoof, Canada

#443642 May 22, 2013
Even as a child, I would NOT believe that if I didn't believe in Jesus I would be rejected by God.

It just didn't make sense to me that a god that supposedly loved his own creation would reject any of those created in his image for "letting him down" ... pun intended.

I obeyed my conscience, and never believed those such as Billy Graham, who preached for decades that only Christians could be saved ... but now has changed his own story to preach that people after all don't have to be Christian to be saved.

Watch their stories change with the times and you will know them by their words.

Deceivers ... one and all.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#443643 May 22, 2013
Yahchanan wrote:
Once you understand the whole world is deceived that is a really good place to start rev 12/9
And every mind interpenetrates the bible in their own way.right or wrong as does the pope and every priest or preacher now did they not most all think Yahshua was a nut because of what he taught.He taught the law........
Understand this understanding only comes from the reverence of the creator Yahweh not a man made god seems i have been blaming you sheeple for worshiping a god i was wrong because you have been taught that from a child and you know no better and for that I am sorry.
but In every concordance it does say the words lord and god was added to his name so man did change his name so please help me to understand how you feel about this...
The Names of God

I have often heard Christian sources refer to the Judeo-Christian God as "the nameless God" to contrast our God with the ancient pagan gods. I always found this odd, because Judaism clearly recognizes the existence of a Name for God; in fact, we have many Names for God.

The most important of God's Names is the four-letter Name represented by the Hebrew letters Yod-Heh-Vav-Heh (YHVH). It is often referred to as the Ineffable Name, the Unutterable Name or the Distinctive Name. Linguistically, it is related to the Hebrew root Heh-Yod-Heh (to be), and reflects the fact that God's existence is eternal. In scripture, this Name is used when discussing God's relation with human beings, and when emphasizing his qualities of lovingkindness and mercy. It is frequently shortened to Yah (Yod-Heh), Yahu or Yeho (Yod-Heh-Vav), especially when used in combination with names or phrases, as in Yehoshua (Joshua, meaning "the Lord is my Salvation"), Eliyahu (Elijah, meaning "my God is the Lord"), and Halleluyah ("praise the Lord").

The first Name used for God in scripture is Elohim. In form, the word is a masculine plural of a word that looks feminine in the singular (Eloha). The same word (or, according to Maimonides, a homonym of it) is used to refer to princes, judges, other gods, and other powerful beings. This Name is used in scripture when emphasizing God's might, His creative power, and his attributes of justice and rulership. Variations on this name include El, Eloha, Elohai (my God) and Elohaynu (our God).

God is also known as El Shaddai. This Name is usually translated as "God Almighty," however, the derivation of the word "Shaddai" is not known. According to some views, it is derived from the root meaning "to heap benefits." According a Midrash, it means, "The One who said 'dai'" ("dai" meaning enough or sufficient) and comes from the fact that when God created the universe, it expanded until He said "DAI!" (perhaps the first recorded theory of an expanding universe?). The name Shaddai is the one written on the mezuzah scroll. Some note that Shaddai is an acronym of Shomer Daltot Yisrael, Guardian of the Doors of Israel.

Another significant Name of God is YHVH Tzva'ot. This Name is normally translated as "Lord of Hosts." The word "tzva'ot" means "hosts" in the sense of a military grouping or an organized array. The Name refers to God's leadership and sovereignty. Interestingly, this Name is rarely used in scripture. It never appears in the Torah(i.e., the first five books). It appears primarily in the prophetic books of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi, as well as many times in the Psalms.
cont
chuck

Dublin, OH

#443644 May 22, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
... and where in the Bible does it say the keys that Christ gave Peter is the Gospel??
Keys are authority and every born again christian has it because of Christ, not just Peter and the catholic church.

What are the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven..how does one get to Heaven?

You've been duped Clay to think that a sinner, a flawed man, would be the head of Christ's church. Makes no sense whatsoever. Christ's true church is all who are born again christians and they all have the keys.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#443645 May 22, 2013
cont
Writing the Name of God

Jews do not casually write any Name of God. This practice does not come from the commandment not to take the Lord's Name in vain, as many suppose. In Jewish thought, that commandment refers solely to oath-taking, and is a prohibition against swearing by God's Name falsely or frivolously (the word normally translated as "in vain" literally means "for falsehood").

Judaism does not prohibit writing the Name of God per se; it prohibits only erasing or defacing a Name of God. However, observant Jews avoid writing any Name of God casually because of the risk that the written Name might later be defaced, obliterated or destroyed accidentally or by one who does not know better.

The commandment not to erase or deface the name of God comes from Deut. 12:3. In that passage, the people are commanded that when they take over the promised land, they should destroy all things related to the idolatrous religions of that region, and should utterly destroy the names of the local deities. Immediately afterwards, we are commanded not to do the same to our God. From this, the rabbis inferred that we are commanded not to destroy any holy thing, and not to erase or deface a Name of God.

It is worth noting that this prohibition against erasing or defacing Names of God applies only to Names that are written in some kind of permanent form, and recent rabbinical decisions have held that writing on a computer is not a permanent form, thus it is not a violation to type God's Name into a computer and then backspace over it or cut and paste it, or copy and delete files with God's Name in them. However, once you print the document out, it becomes a permanent form. That is why observant Jews avoid writing a Name of God on web sites like this one or in BBS messages: because there is a risk that someone else will print it out and deface it.

Normally, we avoid writing the Name by substituting letters or syllables, for example, writing "G-d" instead of "God." In addition, the number 15, which would ordinarily be written in Hebrew as Yod-Heh (10-5), is normally written as Tet-Vav (9-6), because Yod-Heh is a Name. See Hebrew Alphabet for more information about using letters as numerals.
cont
Yahchanan

Piedmont, OK

#443646 May 22, 2013
Another thing I would like to say is their is righteousness and evil And two paths I think most want to do the right thing and we are just searching for the truth.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#443647 May 22, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
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Are you saying that Jesus wants us to *hate* our family?
I'm not saying it...Luke 14:26 says Jesus is saying it.
That was answer to this BTW---

Just Sayin wrote:
<quoted text>
Mary is the Mother of God and deserves your respect, admiration, and love.
Jesus didn't just throw her away like some empty candy wrapper. She is still His mother.
You disrespect Jesus when you disrespect His mom.
----------BT42 wrote:
"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."

Since: Sep 09

Vanderhoof, Canada

#443648 May 22, 2013
Imagine how parents of babies that were not baptized by church "ritual" felt when they were told that their babies were burning in hell for eternity.

That the men of the hierarchy gave so much power to ritual and no empathy to grieving parents ... ought to make it plain to you that those men were power-hungry brutes, and nothing more.
Just Sayin

Antioch, TN

#443649 May 22, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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That is pure supposition on your part. And again, totally incorrect.
So you would want to peruse the Pope's books? Seriously?
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#443650 May 22, 2013
cont
Pronouncing the Name of God

Nothing in the Torah prohibits a person from pronouncing the Name of God. Indeed, it is evident from scripture that God's Name was pronounced routinely. Many common Hebrew names contain "Yah" or "Yahu," part of God's four-letter Name. The Name was pronounced as part of daily services in the Temple.

The Mishnah confirms that there was no prohibition against pronouncing The Name in ancient times. In fact, the Mishnah recommends using God's Name as a routine greeting to a fellow Jew. Berakhot 9:5. However, by the time of the Talmud, it was the custom to use substitute Names for God. Some rabbis asserted that a person who pronounces YHVH according to its letters (instead of using a substitute) has no place in the World to Come, and should be put to death. Instead of pronouncing the four-letter Name, we usually substitute the Name "Adonai," or simply say "Ha-Shem" (lit. The Name).

Although the prohibition on pronunciation applies only to the four-letter Name, Jews customarily do not pronounce any of God's many Names except in prayer or study. The usual practice is to substitute letters or syllables, so that Adonai becomes Adoshem or Ha-Shem, Elohaynu and Elohim become Elokaynu and Elokim, etc.

With the Temple destroyed and the prohibition on pronouncing The Name outside of the Temple, pronunciation of the Name fell into disuse. Scholars passed down knowledge of the correct pronunciation of YHVH for many generations, but eventually the correct pronunciation was lost, and we no longer know it with any certainty. We do not know what vowels were used, or even whether the Vav in the Name was a vowel or a consonant. See Hebrew Alphabet for more information about the difficulties in pronouncing Hebrew. Some religious scholars suggest that the Name was pronounced "Yahweh," but others do not find this pronunciation particularly persuasive.

Some Christian scholars render the four-letter Name as "Jehovah," but this pronunciation is particularly unlikely. The word "Jehovah" comes from the fact that ancient Jewish texts used to put the vowels of the Name "Adonai" (the usual substitute for YHVH) under the consonants of YHVH to remind people not to pronounce YHVH as written. A sixteenth century German Christian scribe, while transliterating the Bible into Latin for the Pope, wrote the Name out as it appeared in his texts, with the consonants of YHVH and the vowels of Adonai, and came up with the word JeHoVaH, and the name stuck.

Since: Sep 09

Vanderhoof, Canada

#443651 May 22, 2013
Yahchanan wrote:
<quoted text>you got burned by the system.as I did I was raised a baptist and grew up to learn i was taught nothing but lies.
On one hand they teach that the god is beyond all human understanding, and then they bring out their books and explain all about the nature of the god ... what he thinks ... what he wants us to think ... what he will do if we don't think as he thinks ... and blah, blah, blah.

Century after century of torture, imprisonment, and murder ... all the while preaching love as the answer.

Despicable!
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#443652 May 22, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
Imagine how parents of babies that were not baptized by church "ritual" felt when they were told that their babies were burning in hell for eternity.
That the men of the hierarchy gave so much power to ritual and no empathy to grieving parents ... ought to make it plain to you that those men were power-hungry brutes, and nothing more.
That is just out right cruel and making people live in fear, but hey we are talking about the catholic church.
chuck

Dublin, OH

#443653 May 22, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
... and where in the Bible does it say the keys that Christ gave Peter is the Gospel??
Ephesians 2:20
20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone

Ephesians 1:22
22 And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church

Ephesians 5:23
23 For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior

1 Corinthians 10:4
4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ.

**Help me understand this Clay. If Peter is the rock and head of the church, it would contradict every verse I posted above. You've been duped Clay. There is no earthly true church.

Since: Sep 09

Vanderhoof, Canada

#443654 May 22, 2013
If you searched the world over, you couldn't find more arrogance than in the following statement.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>

In the second page of the King James version of the bible the words read as follows ...

THE BIBLE

THIS BOOK REVEALS THE MIND OF GOD

Since: Sep 09

Vanderhoof, Canada

#443655 May 22, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
That is just out right cruel and making people live in fear, but hey we are talking about the catholic church.
OH stop being so silly by pointing fingers "outward." The Protestants were every bit as cruel as the Catholics.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>

From the book,“A History of Christianity … volume 2 Clyde L. Manschreck, Editor, comes the following………

Through a consistory of six clergymen and twelve laymen, Calvin enforced piety and rules of conduct more in the spirit of the Old than the New Testament. His overall rule was “to glorify God and praise him forever,” and the practical means of achieving this was strict discipline. He could not tolerate anything that seemed to dishonor God of the elect, and he punished drunkenness, profanity and divergent views with severity.

(18) Fines were assessed for not attending church, adulterers were sentenced to death, dancing was punishable by imprisonment, a child was beheaded for striking his parents. And a critic was beheaded for placing a placard on Calvin’s pulpit.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#443656 May 22, 2013
chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Keys are authority and every born again christian has it because of Christ, not just Peter and the catholic church.
What are the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven..how does one get to Heaven?
You've been duped Clay to think that a sinner, a flawed man, would be the head of Christ's church. Makes no sense whatsoever. Christ's true church is all who are born again christians and they all have the keys.
AMEN chuck.
The keys of heaven belong to born-again Spirit filled Christians.
Who are the church of Christ.
Without the BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT AND FIRE; WHICH IS THE BAPTISM OF JESUS; NOT JOHN THE BAPTIST.
NO ONE CAN ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
THE BIBLE CLEARLY SAYS "YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN : JESUS SPEAKING"

Moses asked God who shall I say sent me God answered, say 'I AM SENT ME.
THE GREAT I AM IS .
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#443657 May 22, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
On one hand they teach that the god is beyond all human understanding, and then they bring out their books and explain all about the nature of the god ... what he thinks ... what he wants us to think ... what he will do if we don't think as he thinks ... and blah, blah, blah.
Century after century of torture, imprisonment, and murder ... all the while preaching love as the answer.
Despicable!
BLAH BLAH BLAH DESPICABLE , OH NO ANOTHER RELIGIOUS SECT JUNE-ISM SHE SEEs ALL, KNOWs ALL .
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#443658 May 22, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
OH stop being so silly by pointing fingers "outward." The Protestants were every bit as cruel as the Catholics.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>
From the book,“A History of Christianity … volume 2 Clyde L. Manschreck, Editor, comes the following………
Through a consistory of six clergymen and twelve laymen, Calvin enforced piety and rules of conduct more in the spirit of the Old than the New Testament. His overall rule was “to glorify God and praise him forever,” and the practical means of achieving this was strict discipline. He could not tolerate anything that seemed to dishonor God of the elect, and he punished drunkenness, profanity and divergent views with severity.
(18) Fines were assessed for not attending church, adulterers were sentenced to death, dancing was punishable by imprisonment, a child was beheaded for striking his parents. And a critic was beheaded for placing a placard on Calvin’s pulpit.
Oh god june-ism; are you the only one who can tear the Catholic'
and speak against their religious teachings.
I see now you have one set of rules for you, and another for everyone else.
Your the biggest hypocrite on here .
Go take a long walk off a short pier.

Since: Sep 09

Vanderhoof, Canada

#443659 May 22, 2013
I've been on threads of forums dealing with those in religion since 2006.

In that time, I have been threatened continually with hellfire and damnation by Christians who claim they love me.

They use their bibles as battering rams, wanting me to join up with their cults so that I will be saved as they believe they are saved.

Why a god would love that type of behavior is a mystery to me ... but then even squid love their own.

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