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“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#443616 May 22, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting.
reading further into the article:
"but the Greek
Vorlage is completely different: it is not e)nto\j u(mw=n, but tou\j
e1sw, with an adverbial construct (not a prepositional one with a
genitive) and in fact a different adverb: the Greek tou\j e1sw in this
passage means “those inside”(sc. inside the community of
believers; inside Christianity) as opposite to “those outside”(tou\j
e1cw), so that the meaning “inside” for &#56256;&#56525;&# 1811; / &#56256;&#56525;&# 1811;&#1810; is confirmed
even here. In the Vulgate, too, the rendering is hi qui intus sunt,
“those who are inside” vs. hi qui foris sunt,“those who are outside.”
...
"In the
Hebrew Bible, in Ps 22:23 the preposition is &#1489;&#1456;&#14 68;&#1514;&#1493;& #1465;&#1498;&#1468; ,“within,” from
the noun &#1514;&#1468;&#14 93;&#1465;&#1498;& #1468; , meaning both “inside, interior” and “midst, middle.”
In fact, the meaning “inside” for &#56256;&#56525;&# 1811;&#1810; is present even here, and
very clearly:“inside the assembly,” which in Heb 2:12 acquires a
local meaning. The Syriac translator who used &#56256;&#56525;&# 1811;&#1810; understood
e)kklhsi/a as “church” and thus felt the syntagm as meaning “inside
the church”(&#1808;&#1836; &#56256;&#56522;&# 56256;&#56558; in Syriac Christianity always means “church,”
just as e)kklhsi/a from the meaning “assembly” acquired the
meaning “church”)."
That's a very interesting article. Thanks for posting the link.
Your welcome.
I hope it helps you better understand your bible's history, and the people involved.
These volumes are for the use of scholars, and are being continually compiled and updated.
The things "laymen" usually aren't privy to.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#443617 May 22, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
<quoted text>
The first link you posted was about the CC sharing certain rare items with the public in a traveling show. How does this support your claim that the CC somehow *unlawfully* hides treasures? Really, if they told you, Black T, that you are welcome to come peruse the personal library of the Pope, would you really even be interested? Even if they paid for your plane fair?
I think not.
That is pure supposition on your part. And again, totally incorrect.

Since: Sep 09

Vanderhoof, Canada

#443618 May 22, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok June-ism, one who trust no one, your are an island on your own.
Needing no one, wanting no one.
You teach, trust no one. so your self serving.
You are your own god. I don't believe in June-ism
I think it is phony bologna.
But hey as long as your happy, but stop hitting us over the head with your negative religious crap please.
AWWW now ... when you switch to worship all of the isms and not just idolize your own ism, I will believe that you respect ALL isms.

If you were honest, you would admit that what irritates you about my position is that I don't respect your "personalized" ism. If I did, I would be perceived by you and your group of "personalized" ism-worshippers, as "enlightened."
Clay

United States

#443619 May 22, 2013
chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Every born again Christian has the authority to share the gospel...the keys...not just the Catholic church.
And yes Christ would not find the perfect man here on earth to head His church because if He did it would be flawed. That`s the whole reason why there is no true church on earth.
I can hear Christ now...."hey Peter, I know you`'re a sinner and I myself hate sin but I want you to be the head of my church".
You`'re still the clown Clay.
Wow Chuck. I really don't know what to say, other than you're obviously not Sola Scripture anymore.
Jesus clearly gave Peter the keys and told him "Whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in Heaven, whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in Heaven"
Are you also saying 'every born again' has this authority too?
You guys scare me man. I believe the modern born again movement is succumbed by mind boggling ignorance.
Clay

United States

#443620 May 22, 2013
chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Every born again Christian has the authority to share the gospel...the keys...not just the Catholic church.
And yes Christ would not find the perfect man here on earth to head His church because if He did it would be flawed. That`s the whole reason why there is no true church on earth.
I can hear Christ now...."hey Peter, I know you`'re a sinner and I myself hate sin but I want you to be the head of my church".
You`'re still the clown Clay.
... and where in the Bible does it say the keys that Christ gave Peter is the Gospel??
Just Sayin

Antioch, TN

#443621 May 22, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>
Then why dies the RCC preach that subjects pray to Mary as the intercession to have prayers "relayed" in it's course to achieve it's destination?
"May we be assisted, we beseech Thee, O Lord, by the worshipful intercession of Thy glorious Mother, the ever-Virgin Mary; that we, who have been enriched by her perpetual blessings, may be delivered from all dangers, and through her loving kindness made to be of one heart and mind: Who livest and reignest world without end.
Amen."
It appears you do not follow your church doctrine.
Think about it like this:

If you were to give something to a king, would it be wiser to hand it to him yourself, in , say a paper bag with your dirty fingers, or would it be wiser to give it to his queen who would place it on a beautiful platter and present it to him herself graciously?
If you were king, which would you prefer?
If the thing presented were a request or a gift, which one would you recieve more pleasantly and with a more favorable disposition?

And also:
If you were a king, would you be well pleased if the people in your court recognized and honored your queen? Or would you want to hog up all the honor to yourself and encourage the people to treat your queen like any other ordinary woman?

LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#443622 May 22, 2013
HOW GREAT IS OUR GOD SING IT WITH ME;
ALL WHO CALLS UPON THE NAME OF THE MOST HIGH GOD.
HOW GREAT IS OUR GOD. CAN WE BRING FORTH WITNESSES TO DECLARE THIS IS THE DAY OF THE LORD GOD OF ISRAEL.
LETS PUT OFF ALL NEGEITIVE CHACKLES OF THE NAY SAYERS.
WE BELONG TO A MIGHTY GOD, IF GOD STANDS WITH US WHO CAN STAND AGAINST US. GOD WILL DEAL WITH ALL THE FALSE PROPHETS AND ALL THE EVIL THEY HAVE DONE SAYING IT WAS IN THE NAME OF OUR GOD.
GOD DOES NOT DO EVIL NOR DOES HE ENDORSE IT.
EVIL COMES OUT OF THE HEART OF MEN, NOT GOD.
LET ALL THAT HAVE BREATHE PRAISE THE LORD.

Isaiah 40

The Greatness of God

40 “Comfort, O comfort My people,” says your God.
2 “Speak [a]kindly to Jerusalem;
And call out to her, that her [b]warfare has ended,
That her [c]iniquity has been removed,
That she has received of the Lord’s hand
Double for all her sins.”

3 A voice [d]is calling,
“Clear the way for the Lord in the wilderness;
Make smooth in the desert a highway for our God.
4 “Let every valley be lifted up,
And every mountain and hill be made low;
And let the rough ground become a plain,
And the rugged terrain a broad valley;
5 [e]Then the glory of the Lord will be revealed,
And all flesh will see it together;
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.”
CONT
Just Sayin

Antioch, TN

#443623 May 22, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>
"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."
Are you saying that Jesus wants us to *hate* our family?
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#443624 May 22, 2013
cont
Isaiah 40
The Greatness of God
40 “Comfort, O comfort My people,” says your God.
2 “Speak [a]kindly to Jerusalem;
And call out to her, that her [b]warfare has ended,
That her [c]iniquity has been removed,
That she has received of the Lord’s hand
Double for all her sins.”
3 A voice [d]is calling,
“Clear the way for the Lord in the wilderness;
Make smooth in the desert a highway for our God.
4 “Let every valley be lifted up,
And every mountain and hill be made low;
And let the rough ground become a plain,
And the rugged terrain a broad valley;
5 [e]Then the glory of the Lord will be revealed,
And all flesh will see it together;
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.”
6 A voice says,“Call out.”
Then [f]he answered,“What shall I call out?”
All flesh is grass, and all its [g]loveliness is like the flower of the field.
7 The grass withers, the flower fades,
[h]When the breath of the Lord blows upon it;
Surely the people are grass.
8 The grass withers, the flower fades,
But the word of our God stands forever.
9 Get yourself up on a high mountain,
O Zion, bearer of good news,
Lift up your voice mightily,
O Jerusalem, bearer of good news;
Lift it up, do not fear.
Say to the cities of Judah,
“Here is your God!”
10 Behold, the Lord [i]God will come with might,
With His arm ruling for Him.
Behold, His reward is with Him
And His recompense before Him.
11 Like a shepherd He will tend His flock,
In His arm He will gather the lambs
And carry them in His bosom;
He will gently lead the nursing ewes.
12 Who has measured the [j]waters in the hollow of His hand,
And marked off the heavens by the [k]span,
And [l]calculated the dust of the earth by the measure,
And weighed the mountains in a balance
And the hills in a pair of scales?
13 Who has [m]directed the Spirit of the Lord,
Or as His counselor has informed Him?
14 With whom did He consult and who gave Him understanding?
And who taught Him in the path of justice and taught Him knowledge
And informed Him of the way of understanding?
15 Behold, the nations are like a drop from a bucket,
And are regarded as a speck of dust on the scales;
Behold, He lifts up the [n]islands like fine dust.
16 Even Lebanon is not enough to burn,
Nor its beasts enough for a burnt offering.
17 All the nations are as nothing before Him,
They are regarded by Him as less than nothing and [o]meaningless.
18 To whom then will you liken God?
Or what likeness will you compare with Him?
19 As for the [p]idol, a craftsman casts it,
A goldsmith plates it with gold,
And a silversmith fashions chains of silver.
20 He who is too impoverished for such an offering
Selects a tree that does not rot;
He seeks out for himself a skillful craftsman
To [q]prepare [r]an idol that will not totter.
21 Do you not know? Have you not heard?
Has it not been declared to you from the beginning?
Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth?
22 It is He who [s]sits above the [t]circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
23 He it is who reduces rulers to nothing,
Who makes the judges of the earth [u]meaningless.
24 [v]Scarcely have they been planted,
[w]Scarcely have they been sown,
[x]Scarcely has their stock taken root in the earth,
But He merely blows on them, and they wither,
And the storm carries them away like stubble.
25 “To whom then will you liken Me
That I would be his equal?” says the Holy One.
26 Lift up your eyes on high
And see who has created these stars,
The One who leads forth their host by number,
He calls them all by name;
Because of the greatness of His might and the [y]strength of His power,
Not one of them is missing.
cont
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#443625 May 22, 2013
cont Isaiah 40
27 Why do you say, O Jacob, and assert, O Israel,
“My way is hidden from the Lord,
And the justice due me [z]escapes the notice of my God”?
28 Do you not know? Have you not heard?
The Everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth
Does not become weary or tired.
His understanding is inscrutable.
29 He gives strength to the weary,
And to him who lacks might He increases power.
30 Though youths grow weary and tired,
And vigorous young men stumble badly,
31 Yet those who [aa]wait for the Lord
Will gain new strength;
They will [ab]mount up with [ac]wings like eagles,
They will run and not get tired,
They will walk and not become weary.
Just Sayin

Antioch, TN

#443626 May 22, 2013
StarC wrote:
<quoted text>
What is wrong with these people????
Jesus is THE CENTER of our Daily Mass.
We can never love Mary more then Jesus does!
We honor Jesus' Mother as God wanted.
Honor your Father and Mother.
Something about Blessed Mary.
By Jon Jakoblich
There are some that say that the Bible really says very little about Mary. However, that is quite contrary to the truth. There are actually a lot of references to Our Lady. For some of these references, you have to do a little bit of digging.
Let’s start at the beginning of the Bible. She is first mentioned in Genesis 3:15, as the Woman whose offspring (Jesus) will crush the head of the serpent (Satan).
Genesis 3:15:
“I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.”
We see her, again, in a prophecy in the book of Isaiah.
Isaiah 7:14:
“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
Luke 1:28:
“Hail Mary, Full of Grace, the Lord is with thee! Blessed art thou among women!”
This translation is very familiar to Catholics and the Bible, but let’s take a look at how other translations read Luke 1:28.
KJV:
“…Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.”
RSV:
“Hail, O favored one, the Lord is with you!”
NIV:
“Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.”
Luke 1:29:
“But she was greatly troubled at the saying, and considered in her mind what sort of greeting this might be.”
What else does the Bible say about Mary?
It tells us that she is the mother of God in no uncertain terms.
Matthew 1:20:
“But as he considered this, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying,‘Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.’”
Matthew 2:11
“…and going into the house they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell
down and worshiped him. Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold and frankincense and myrrh.”
Obviously if you are already a Christian then you know that this worship is not in vain since we are all taught that Mary was the mother of Jesus.
And here is another Catholic favorite:
Luke 1:41-43:
“And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit and she exclaimed with a loud cry,“BLESSED ARE YOU AMONG WOMEN, AND BLESSED IS THE FRUIT OF YOUR WOMB!![emphasis added] And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?”
Now, if Mary is “just another woman,” why would Elizabeth be in awe that she was granted a visit from “the mother of my lord?” It just doesn’t make sense that if Mary is any old person and not to be revered in some way that she is treated with such respect and has many honors bestowed upon her such as being “full of grace” and the other examples given.
The Bible shows us that Mary was the perfect example of obedience and humility.
Luke 1:38:
“And Mary said,‘Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word.’ And the angel departed from her.”
It tells us how Mary meditated on all of God’s words and actions.
Luke 2:19:
“But Mary kept all these things, pondering them in her heart.”
It tells us that Jesus was obedient to her.
Luke 2:51:
“And he went down with them and came to Nazareth, and was obedient to them.”
First Miracle by a word from Blessed Mother...
John 2:3-10:
There's more but had to snip for space.
Beautiful!

Since: Sep 09

Vanderhoof, Canada

#443627 May 22, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow June that is quite a statement, someone must of hurt you very bad, I am sorry.
To trust no one is a very lonely existence.
All those who preach supposed religious truths, can't, won't, don't agree.

If I believe you, then I have to disbelieve someone else.

If you preach that you know truth because you read what you believe are words from a holy book ... I will never trust you ... because I have been deceived by well-meaning people who preached lies while being absolutely certain that they were preaching truth.

When you are certain the you know what is beyond human ability TO know ... without even being aware ... you become a liar.

I left religion (in part) because I realized my own judgment was faulty, and that I was unable to explain what was beyond my ability TO explain.
Just Sayin

Antioch, TN

#443628 May 22, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>
You only go back and seek what you presuppose as "keys"(seems a great mystery), just as your "authority" has here. If you look deeper into the past, you may find the "keys" Jesus was referencing in the ancient Kingdom.
What are you alluding to?
truth

Perth, Australia

#443629 May 22, 2013
who seek my life must died
psalm 63
Just Sayin

Antioch, TN

#443630 May 22, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>
So is yours.
You posit a conjecture as a rebuttal, and then not one evidence toward refute.
Why is that?
You seem to do that a lot.
Everything is called conjecture, even facts. Lol. That's why so many people don't have a solid stand to make.
truth

Perth, Australia

#443631 May 22, 2013
How you know read and wrote?

Did you have your Creator?

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#443632 May 22, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
<quoted text>
Think about it like this:
If you were to give something to a king, would it be wiser to hand it to him yourself, in , say a paper bag with your dirty fingers, or would it be wiser to give it to his queen who would place it on a beautiful platter and present it to him herself graciously?
If you were king, which would you prefer?
If the thing presented were a request or a gift, which one would you recieve more pleasantly and with a more favorable disposition?
And also:
If you were a king, would you be well pleased if the people in your court recognized and honored your queen? Or would you want to hog up all the honor to yourself and encourage the people to treat your queen like any other ordinary woman?
I would want it in person(the horses mouth). I want to look in the eyes, and see their body movements of any bearer of gift or requestor of favor. That way there is no misunderstanding of intent nor message.
Just Sayin

Antioch, TN

#443633 May 22, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Now THAT is what you'd call the Poop telling the vomit he stinks.
LOL!

I was wondering when you'd say something like that!

Since: Sep 09

Vanderhoof, Canada

#443634 May 22, 2013
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text> JESUS said," I go to prepare a pllace for you..."
There was not one word on earth written by a supposed man named Jesus. No signature on any paper anywhere. No body in a casket ... nothing but invisibility.

Observe the stories written about Santa Claus, and you will see how easy it is to make a fictional character real in the minds of those who want to believe the character is real.

If you open your mind to new ideas, you will see that you have been fooled.

I left religion when I realized that not only had I been fooled by others ... but that I had been willing and eager to fool my self simply because of the thrill that came my way when I thought of having an all-powerful god on which I could "personally" rely.

Since: Sep 09

Vanderhoof, Canada

#443635 May 22, 2013
"You better watch out ... you better not cry ... you better not pout ... I'm telling you why ... Santa Claus is coming to town"

Did Santa write that??? Of course not.

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