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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 681754 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#443074 May 20, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:

IMO - there isn't going to be a "court".
I think you'll need to provide a better assertion
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
why don't you believe Jesus?
answer: SELF!
That didn't help Waass.

Try again?
Regina

Lakewood, NJ

#443075 May 20, 2013
He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You therefore do greatly err. Mark 12:27

He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!"

He is not God of the dead, but of the living. You are quite wrong.”

He is not God of the dead but of the living. You are badly deceived."

Gee, looks like all the non-Christians who think the saints are dead are badly mistaken, quite wrong, badly deceived, and greatly err. Oh, well, their loss.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#443076 May 20, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
<quoted text>
It's from wikipedia on the Gospel of Thomas. Written decades after Jesus died, so Jesus didn't write it, therefore if I dispute the authenticity or reliability of the GoTom, I am not disputing Jesus' teaching authority since Jesus didn't write the thing.
Jesus didn't "write" anything.
I have the translation of "Thomas".
Scholars have the dates set at...

AD 75 - 80 : redaction of Mark (conservative estimate : 65 -70) ;
AD 85 - 90 : redaction of Matthew (80 - 85) ;
AD 95 : redaction of John (90 - 100) ;
AD 110 : redaction of Luke & Acts (85 - 90).
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AD 70 - 100 : Gospel of Thomas

The first organised church(ecclesiastical order) was basically set up through Paul(according to the "redaction of Luke). It was called (based upon the Jewish core belief and the addition of the writings about apostles)..."The church of Jerusalem".

How did the first(core) "church" get moved to Rome?

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#443077 May 20, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
When the Pope said that, you guys didn't exist. Protestantism wouldn't be born for another 300 yrs. Even so, for people like you who've heard the truth; been shown your false teachings and continue on ignoring your errors, what's God supposed to do with ya? You're too arrogant to ever stand before God. In fact, you're so arrogant, you don't even believe you'll stand before him!! Right? Don't you believe judgement is reserved for us Catholics and not you born agains cuz you're automatically saved?
If he is truly a born again Christian ....he will be judged before the leaves the earth...

Else He will not be deemed worthy to be caught away in the bride of Christ.

____

Rev_2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

NOTE

Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection:

==>on such the second death hath no power,

but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

___

WHICH RESURRECTION WILL YOU BE IN...THE FIRST OR THE SECOND?

___

Psa 1:5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

Psa 1:6 For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.
___

Rev_20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.


Rev_20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

--->THESE LISTED BELOW....WILL NOT GO UP ON THE CATCHING AWAY OF THE BRIDE OF CHRIST<---

Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

"ARE YOU READY...FOR THAT DAY TO COME."

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#443078 May 20, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
The question was: The modern born again movement began in the 20th century. Prior to that, You had essentially Lutherans, Methodist, Anglicans and Presbyterians - all spawning from Luther, Calvin, the King of England, and John Wesley. Now, your Christianity looks entirely different then those, so I assume they are NOT true Born Agains?
So I can conclude that you believe Jesus Christ waited to y'all did your alter call, to reveal His true Ministry??
please explain if I am wrong. I'm trying to understand your theology and why no two 'born agains' on this forum can agree on very important Christian teachings.
No it wasn't.

It was born on/in the teachings of Jesus and John the Baptist before the "universal church" was ever thought of.
Both the "accepted" and "unaccepted" writings attest to that.
Jesus never said his followers had to "perform" any "orthodox approved" rituals.
Religion A Delusion

Titusville, FL

#443079 May 20, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
how about you don't try to tell me how to be 'christian' and i won't try to tell you how to be a genocidal humanist/atheist/socialist?;)
You need my help.

You keep getting angry and calling names. That is unChristian.

You should love me. Remember, we agree on 99% of all the gods of mankind. We only disagree on one. That's no reason to call someone you're supposed to love "genocidal."

I'm a big enough man to forgive, so I forgive you. I hope you can do the same when you become a real Christian.
Religion A Delusion

Titusville, FL

#443080 May 20, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
how about you don't try to tell me how to be 'christian' and i won't try to tell you how to be a genocidal humanist/atheist/socialist?;)
Now that we are friends, I truly think you should study Orthodox Catholicism.

I think it will open your eyes. Not all Catholics are Romanists who pray to Mary.

You should set the anger aside and open your mind.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#443081 May 20, 2013
OldJG wrote:
Peter did absolutely NOTHING! Peter was nothing more than a vessel God used to deliver HIS message....not Peter's message. Peter was a coward until the Holy Spirit came upon him. Do you recall he denied Jesus three times. Once he denied Jesus to a little girl. So don't tell us about how wonderful Peter was.
Your said, quote, "Peter scolded the land owner and his wife for deceiving them and they fell dead;" End quote.
So Ananias and Sapphira withheld money from the apostles and your saying they fell dead because Peter scolded them. Are you completely off your rocker?
You said, quote, "Peter gave the word of God to the first Gentiles. The other Apostles questioned his doing, but he spoke from the authoritative chair so they obeyed." End quote.
Try reading Acts 10. Cornelius sent for Peter as God had instructed. While up on a roof Peter denies God three more times regarding what is clean and what is unclean. In fact Peter considered the Gentiles to be unclean. Do you remember? But to his credit Peter finally goes with the men Cornelius sent to bring him.
<quoted text>
Cly, I have asked you repeatedly that when you quote me to post my entire post. Again you did not post the entire post and thereafter went about making statements that make no sense.
I said, quote, "Peter did absolutely NOTHING! Peter was nothing more than a vessel God used to deliver HIS message....not Peter's message. Peter was a coward until the Holy Spirit came upon him. Do you recall he denied Jesus three times. Once he denied Jesus to a little girl. So don't tell us about how wonderful Peter was." End quote.
Your response, "'Peter was a vessel; Paul was a vessel; Mary the Mother of Our Lord Jesus Christ, was just a vessel'" End quote.
Thank you. You are proficient at stating the obvious. Let me ask, was Peter, Paul or Mary anything other than a vessel used by God to further His kingdom? Hey, that was a group at one time...Peter, Paul and Mary.
Your said, quote, "Peter scolded the land owner and his wife for deceiving them and they fell dead;" End quote.
So Ananias and Sapphira withheld money from the apostles and your saying they fell dead because Peter scolded them. Are you completely off your rocker?
You said, quote, "Peter gave the word of God to the first Gentiles. The other Apostles questioned his doing, but he spoke from the authoritative chair so they obeyed." End quote.
Try reading Acts 10. Cornelius sent for Peter as God had instructed. While up on a roof Peter denies God three more times regarding what is clean and what is unclean. In fact Peter considered the Gentiles to be unclean.
I said, "Peter scolded the land owner and his wife for deceiving them and they fell dead"

OldjG said, "so Ananias and Sapphira withheld money from the Apostles and your saying they fell dead because Peter scolded them. Are you completely off your rocker?"

They fell dead because Peter had the authority to invoke the power of God. He had the keys. Heaven acknowledged his authority when he scolded the land owners and they immediately fell down and died.
"whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in Heaven"

When Ananais lied to Peter, he lied to the Holy Spirit because Peter was the sitting head of the Church that Jesus Christ started.

Peter said, "Ananais, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the proceeds of the land?" 'How is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God. When Anani heard these words he fell down and died. And great fear CAME UPON ALL WHO HEARD IT"

After an interval of about 3 hrs his wife came in, and Peter said to her "Tell me whether you sold the land for so much" and she said "yes for so much". But Peter said to her, "how is it that you have agreed together to tempt the spirit of the Lord?. LISTEN, THE FEET OF THOSE THAT HAVE BURIED YOUR HUSBAND ARE AT THE DOOR AND THEY WILL CARRY YOU OUT. Immediately she fell down and died."
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#443082 May 20, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>
No it wasn't.
It was born on/in the teachings of Jesus and John the Baptist before the "universal church" was ever thought of.
Both the "accepted" and "unaccepted" writings attest to that.
Jesus never said his followers had to "perform" any "orthodox approved" rituals.
Yes He did. In fact, He commanded it.

"So i received from the Lord what I also deliver to you. That the Lord Jesus on the night He was betrayed took bread, gave thanks and broke it and said "This is my Body which is for you, DO THIS IN MEMORY OF ME. In a similar way He took the chalice, after giving thanks he said, "this chalice is the new covenant in my blood, DO THIS AS OFTEN AS YOU DRINK IT, IN REMEMBERENCE OF ME"
1Cor 11:23

This is called the Eucharist and the center of the Holy Mass.

Justin Martyr, first century Christian on the Catholic Mass in 155 AD
www.youtube.com/watch...
Human Being

Kinder, LA

#443083 May 20, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do put faith in Christian theology being based on truth ... and not in the theology of other religions as being based on truth?
Could it be that promise of salvation???
:)
June VanDerMark:

I don't understand your question. Are you assuming that I have not examined and believe that there are truths in other religions? I have and believe.

Since religions in general promote salvation your second question is a bit circular in reasoning. But for me Christianity has one thing all other religions do not, and that is salvation is not dependent on works.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#443084 May 20, 2013
Regina wrote:
He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You therefore do greatly err. Mark 12:27
He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!"
He is not God of the dead, but of the living. You are quite wrong.”
He is not God of the dead but of the living. You are badly deceived."
Gee, looks like all the non-Christians who think the saints are dead are badly mistaken, quite wrong, badly deceived, and greatly err. Oh, well, their loss.
THEIR SPIRITS ARE ALIVE

BUT

THEIR BODIES ARE EITHER IN THE DUST OF THE EARTH OR THEY ARE

DECOMPOSING...

~~~

THE MUSIC OF BEETHOVEN AND BACH IS BEING PLAYED BACKWARDS FROM THEIR GRAVES....

.RIGHT?

THE COMPOSERS ARE DE-COMPOSING...lol

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#443085 May 20, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course it would be best if I make sure what is attributed to Jesus' teachings is accurate.
All His teachings as recorded in the NT are contrary to your idea that the kingdom of heaven is within your Self.
Well then here it is The earliest translation...before several redactions.

In Luke 17:21 Jesus is asked when the Kingdom of God will come,
and he replies: Ou)k e1rxetai h( basilei/a tou= Qeou= meta\
parathrh/sewj, ou)de\e)rou=sin: i)dou\w{de, h1: e)kei=: i)dou\ga\r h(
basilei/a tou=Qeou=e)nto\j u(mw=n e)stin,“The Kingdom of God
does not come when people are spying on it, nor will they say,‘Behold, it is here,’ or ‘there;’ for the Kingdom of God is entos humôn.”
No variant readings are attested for e)nto\j u(mw=n, an expression
which modern translations generally render “among you,” meaning
either that the Kingdom is not in the political and military structures of the world, but only in the community of believers, or that
the Kingdom is there and is represented by Jesus. But I shall argue
that the right translation is “inside you,” and that the ancient Syriac
versions, together with many other elements, strongly support this
interpretation. This saying of Jesus may have been preserved originally in Aramaic, in which case e)nto/j might be a translation of
&#1490;&#1468;&#14 93;&#1463; / &#1490;&#1468;&#14 93;&#1488;, meaning “interior,” and, in the prepositional construct
&#1489;&#1468;&#14 90;&#1493;&#1465;& #1488;&#1456; ,“inside.” It is related to the Hebrew noun &#1490;&#1468;&#14 93;&#1461;, &#1490;&#1468;&#14 93;&#1463;, meaning
“interior, inside,” and to Syriac Í&#1811;, &#1808;Í&#1811; meaning “the inside,
the inner parts,” which, as I shall show, also appears in the Peshitta
and the Harklean version of this logion of Jesus.

The ancient "script" won't show in it's proper form due to topix, so here is a link.
yrcom.cua.edu/Hugoye/Vol12No2/HV12N2Ramelli.p...

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#443086 May 20, 2013
who="Regina" He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You therefore do greatly err. Mark 12:27
He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!"
He is not God of the dead, but of the living. You are quite wrong.”
He is not God of the dead but of the living. You are badly deceived."
Gee, looks like all the non-Christians who think the saints are dead are badly mistaken, quite wrong, badly deceived, and greatly err. Oh, well, their loss.

**********

God is God of all, and He can communicate with them. Remember Jesus meeting with Moses and Elijah on the Mt. of Transfiguration?

But no one on 'this side' has the power to communicate with them.

KayMarie
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#443087 May 20, 2013
Preston wrote:
<quoted text>you are not {amening} the truth LTM. this guy is a kook and studied under a kook(if you can call watch murray on tv,)"studying " under him.
the comparison is the fact that Jonah spent time in the belly of the fish(whale, whatever) and Jesus spent time in the "belly' of the earth. which of course jesus really didn't, since it was a grave carved out of a large rock.
what is important is that He is Alive, not an argument about the time spent there. foolish people argue about that and try to cause a division of some sort which is the work of the devil
Hi Preston how have you been, You were not here for awhile.
Hope all is well.
Clay

Garden City, MI

#443088 May 20, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
If he is truly a born again Christian ....he will be judged before the leaves the earth...
Else He will not be deemed worthy to be caught away in the bride of Christ.
____
Rev_2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
NOTE
Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection:
==>on such the second death hath no power,
but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
___
WHICH RESURRECTION WILL YOU BE IN...THE FIRST OR THE SECOND?
___
Psa 1:5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
Psa 1:6 For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.
___
Rev_20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev_20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
--->THESE LISTED BELOW....WILL NOT GO UP ON THE CATCHING AWAY OF THE BRIDE OF CHRIST<---
Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
"ARE YOU READY...FOR THAT DAY TO COME."
Which day? The rapture??
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#443089 May 20, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree. Tower of Babel was the first attempt at one world government and religion. Now it's being tried again.
By the catholic church ,
Regina

Lakewood, NJ

#443090 May 20, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
THEIR SPIRITS ARE ALIVE
BUT
THEIR BODIES ARE EITHER IN THE DUST OF THE EARTH OR THEY ARE
DECOMPOSING...
~~~
THE MUSIC OF BEETHOVEN AND BACH IS BEING PLAYED BACKWARDS FROM THEIR GRAVES....
.RIGHT?
THE COMPOSERS ARE DE-COMPOSING...lol
lol...that's cute.

Yes, their bodies have returned to dust, but they are still members of the Church, the Body of Christ. They are the Church Triumphant and are aware of our prayers. They help us through their prayers until we, the Church Militant, are home with them. They are more alive than we are!
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#443091 May 20, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok, but your interpretations of Gods word is different than the Protestants a hundred yrs ago. After you acknowledge this fact, tell me why? Do you believe Jesus Christ waited til the Born Again movement of the 20th century to reveal His true Ministry?
That sounds cult-like in every way, shape and form.
Your is not the same either Clay depending on who is pope.
What once was sin isn't any more and what once wasn't is plus the Vatican add 7 things that are sins now.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#443092 May 20, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
By the catholic church ,
If its by the Catholic Church then its by the Church that Jesus Christ started.
LTM, none of you existed for 1600 yrs. In fact, the Born Again movement as we all know it today, came about in the 20th century.
Why doesn't any of ya acknowledge that?
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#443093 May 20, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Your is not the same either Clay depending on who is pope.
What once was sin isn't any more and what once wasn't is plus the Vatican add 7 things that are sins now.
Please explain this. What previous sins has the vatican now changed?

They added 7 things that are sins too? Like what, pornography and gay marriage? well excuuuuse them, I don't think those were issues 100 yrs ago.

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