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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 675436 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#442076 May 17, 2013
Regina wrote:
Justin Martyr
"We will prove that we worship him reasonably; for we have learned that he is the Son of the true God himself, that he holds a second place, and the Spirit of prophecy a third. For this they accuse us of madness, saying that we attribute to a crucified man a place second to the unchangeable and eternal God, the Creator of all things; but they are ignorant of the mystery which lies therein" (First Apology 13:5–6 [A.D. 151]).
Theophilus of Antioch
"It is the attribute of God, of the most high and almighty and of the living God, not only to be everywhere, but also to see and hear all; for he can in no way be contained in a place.... The three days before the luminaries were created are types of the Trinity: God, his Word, and his Wisdom" (To Autolycus 2:15 [A.D. 181]).
Irenaeus
"For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty ... and in one Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in the Holy Spirit" (Against Heresies 1:10:1 [A.D. 189]).
Tertullian
"We do indeed believe that there is only one God, but we believe that under this dispensation, or, as we say, oikonomia, there is also a Son of this one only God, his Word, who proceeded from him and through whom all things were made and without whom nothing was made.... We believe he was sent down by the Father, in accord with his own promise, the Holy Spirit, the Paraclete, the sanctifier of the faith of those who believe in the Father and the Son, and in the Holy Spirit.... This rule of faith has been present since the beginning of the gospel, before even the earlier heretics" (Against Praxeas 2 [A.D. 216]).
"And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for the unity is distributed in a Trinity. Placed in order, the three are the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition, but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" (ibid.).
"Keep always in mind the rule of faith which I profess and by which I bear witness that the Father and the Son and the Spirit are inseparable from each other, and then you will understand what is meant by it. Observe now that I say the Father is other [distinct], the Son is other, and the Spirit is other. This statement is wrongly understood by every uneducated or perversely disposed individual, as if it meant diversity and implied by that diversity a separation of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" (ibid., 9).
"Thus the connection of the Father in the Son, and of the Son in the Paraclete, produces three coherent persons, who are yet distinct one from another. These three are, one essence, not one person, as it is said,‘I and my Father are one’[John 10:30], in respect of unity of being not singularity of number" (ibid., 25).
YEAH TEAM CATHOLIC!! GOOOOOO TEAM!!!

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Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#442077 May 17, 2013
Regina wrote:
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There's more..........
There always is.....

*sighs*

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#442078 May 17, 2013
Regina wrote:
240 Jesus revealed that God is Father in an unheard-of sense: he is Father not only in being Creator; he is eternally Father in relation to his only Son, who is eternally Son only in relation to his Father: "No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and any one to whom the Son chooses to reveal him."64
241 For this reason the apostles confess Jesus to be the Word: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"; as "the image of the invisible God"; as the "radiance of the glory of God and the very stamp of his nature".65
242 Following this apostolic tradition, the Church confessed at the first ecumenical council at Nicaea (325) that the Son is "consubstantial" with the Father, that is, one only God with him.66 The second ecumenical council, held at Constantinople in 381, kept this expression in its formulation of the Nicene Creed and confessed "the only-begotten Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, light from light, true God from true God, begotten not made, consubstantial with the Father".67
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive...
THERE is the "Duality" I was telling you about.

You are digging your own grave here.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#442079 May 17, 2013
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope, you didn't read all of what I wrote.
From the time of Moses down to the current time...we have had consistent witnesses, each witness verifying previous ones, that God exists.(hence empirical evidence, because previous visions have been verified) The Bible says (I gave quotes) that you can have the privilege of seeing God.
Wanna do something fun????

In the Books of Moses - switch "God" with alien/ET....and then read it.

:o)

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Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#442080 May 17, 2013
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
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Basic five major steps:
-Faith
-Repentance
-Baptism
-Receive the Holy Ghost
-Endure
I'd consider some one a Christian no matter where they are on "steps" I listed...as long as they have faith and are progressing towards the later steps, which will happen in they are acting on true faith.
Ya know - I do agree that these steps are integral iin ones "spiritual development", but if you really look at them individually - and "are progressing towards the later steps":
- one does not need to be part of any religion in order to do any or all of them.(Baptism is just a ritual built around symbolism.
+ Water (the liquid used) is a symbol of Love in may cultures around the world and even in those mystical Tarot cards - through the symbol of a Cup holding or pouring water.
+ "pouring love over any individual" / "showing how Jesus loves you, by you participating freely in the ritual" - are both examples what Jesus supposed taught, and live by.
- All require one thing to begin and end each step. YOU. Self.

You will have to do better or show me how the RCC can help me attain the salvation they exclaim.
Regina

Lakewood, NJ

#442081 May 17, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
YEAH TEAM CATHOLIC!! GOOOOOO TEAM!!!
Thank you, thank you (bows deeply).

(Sorry for pulling an LTM, but he who asks for it, shall receive.)

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#442082 May 17, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrogn again. Hmmm....not getting the gold stars today, huh?
It was an anonymous name choice for many reasons.
a. I give credit to Edgar Cayce for the name.
b. I chose it solely, just to piss off people like you -*smiles*- oh and the Catholics too....*winks*....and whomever thinks that an anonymous login name is a catalyst to have people "follow" you.
You must still have that thorn in your side, which you must think came from me, huh?
In all truthfulness - I hope it stays there. It will remind you of me and my beliefs.
;o)
I don't believe that you gave Edgar Cayce credit for the avatar that you picked for your self.

From what you post, you seem to believe that your religious perspectives are far above others in hitting the mark of truth.

You think you are one smart cookie.
Regina

Lakewood, NJ

#442083 May 17, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>
THERE is the "Duality" I was telling you about.
You are digging your own grave here.
There's not enough room to paste the rest here. It's obvious you don't know as much about Christianity as you think you do. Anthony was correct in suggesting you read the Early Church Fathers, for a start.

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#442084 May 17, 2013
Jumper The Wise wrote:
<quoted text>Out on a bender huh?
Well its nice to see the posters on this thread are wise to your little tricks.
AHHH you finally came over from the other thread.

You naught boy!

:)

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#442085 May 17, 2013
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
<quoted text>
True, but the Church facilitated a lot. People still would have had imaginations without the church. However, would some of the great composers and artists and architects been able to devote as much time to refine their talent if they were not supported by the Church?
We can only guess.
Thanks for being honest.

"We can only guess."

If others weren't so arrogant or ignorant, these words would have soooo much impact because of their meaning and depth.
Regina

Lakewood, NJ

#442086 May 17, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
There always is.....
*sighs*
lol.....I knew you would appreciate it. Heck, why should the fundies have all the fun?

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#442087 May 17, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
but now you, yes your Self - is "screaming" for the answers you found to be false.
- you'll won't get those answers here....but alas you seem to think you can.
- Just couldn't stand NOT LEAVING religion, huh?
I'm content to know that I don't have answers, and won't get them from the likes of you or any other self-indulged religious preacher.

I will wait, and if I am aware after the death of my physical body, I will be ... and if not, I won't be.

Your fortune telling has no power over what will be.

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#442088 May 17, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
We agree here. All living things have an "energy" source.
Yes, and when humans call it spirit they usually mean that a spirit of a god is in them.

I never hear people of religion say that non-human forms of life are "spiritual."

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#442089 May 17, 2013
Regina wrote:
<quoted text>
The attempt to picture Gnosticism as a mighty movement of the human mind towards the noblest and highest truth, a movement in some way parallel to that of Christianity, has completely failed. It has been abandoned by recent unprejudiced scholars such as W. Bousset and O. Gruppe, and it is to be regretted that it should have been renewed by an English writer, G.R.S. Mead, in "Fragments of a Faith Forgotten", an unscholarly and misleading work, which in English-speaking countries may retard the sober and true appreciation of Gnosticism as it was in historical fact.
Gnosticism was not an advance, it was a retrogression. It was born amidst the last throes of expiring cults and civilizations in Western Asia and Egypt. Though hellenized, these countries remained Oriental and Semitic to the core. This Oriental spirit — Attis of Asia Minor, Istar of Babylonia, Isis of Egypt, with the astrological and cosmogonic lore of the Asiatic world — first sore beset by Ahuramazda in the East, and then overwhelmed by the Divine greatness of Jesus Christ in the West, called a truce by the fusion of both Parseeism and Christianity with itself. It tried to do for the East what Neo-Platonism tried to do for the West. During at least two centuries it was a real danger to Christianity, though not so great as some modern writers would make us believe, as if the merest breath might have changed the fortunes of Gnostic, as against orthodox, Christianity.
Similar things are said of Mithraism and neo-Platonism as against the religion of Jesus Christ. But these sayings have more piquancy than objective truth. Christianity survived, and not Gnosticism, because the former was the fittest — immeasurably, nay infinitely, so. Gnosticism died not by chance, but because it lacked vital power within itself; and no amount of theosophistic literature, flooding English and German markets, can give life to that which perished from intrinsic and essential defects.(I concur.)
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06592a.htm
I disagree.

This form of Gnosticism may not be revived in the sense you express, but there is a global change approaching, rather fast IMO, that will expose many changes to the religious world.

It will be welcomed and it will allow humanity to become part of this world as it is destined to be. Your religious views will eventually be the minority.

Religion cannot stop knowledge, nor can it stop those individuals who express this knowledge through various forms of technology (i.e. internet) and/or media and its many forms.

Spiritual knowledge will be realized by many. And I'm happy to say this Regina, it will eventually come to you as well.

*hug*

I'm rooting for ya!
Regina

Lakewood, NJ

#442090 May 17, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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All written against the heresies...that of the "Roman" elite.
Why don't you supply the history and reasons for these cherrypicked eludes to all that transpired?
Of course if you are just "picking" them from an apologetic Bias site, I could understand the omission.
Really? Do you know who these people are and where they came from?

No, I thought not.

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#442091 May 17, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
That's one of my points I've made.
One does not need religion to gain certain morals, although the morals used within religion can be attained outside of religion.
Then why do you feel a need to blather religious jargon as though it does make you moral?

You seem to believe that I am not up to your standards just because I am now an Atheist.

You are a double-talker.

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#442092 May 17, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Not into love, okay, let's see if there are other morals that you can take part in.
Looking......
I don't know the meaning of love, or if love even exists. What most humans refer to as love is favoritism of self ... especially in religion.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#442093 May 17, 2013
Regina wrote:
240 Jesus revealed that God is Father in an unheard-of sense: he is Father not only in being Creator; he is eternally Father in relation to his only Son, who is eternally Son only in relation to his Father: "No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and any one to whom the Son chooses to reveal him."64
241 For this reason the apostles confess Jesus to be the Word: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"; as "the image of the invisible God"; as the "radiance of the glory of God and the very stamp of his nature".65
242 Following this apostolic tradition, the Church confessed at the first ecumenical council at Nicaea (325) that the Son is "consubstantial" with the Father, that is, one only God with him.66 The second ecumenical council, held at Constantinople in 381, kept this expression in its formulation of the Nicene Creed and confessed "the only-begotten Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, light from light, true God from true God, begotten not made, consubstantial with the Father".67
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive...
And Jesus told you how to know the father "kingdom" and you reject it....Read The Gospel of Thomas and then learn how to apply it...that he didn't teach you. He wants you to "learn" as a person...your church can NOT do that for you....you have to find it on your own.--Jesus was a sage.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#442094 May 17, 2013
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope, you didn't read all of what I wrote.
From the time of Moses down to the current time...we have had consistent witnesses, each witness verifying previous ones, that God exists.(hence empirical evidence, because previous visions have been verified) The Bible says (I gave quotes) that you can have the privilege of seeing God.
THAT is in no meaning of the word, empirical evidence.
I already gave it to you before you made a complete fool of yourself.

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#442095 May 17, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>
Only because secular laws have hobbled them, now that they are not the "world theocratic empire" any longer.
Yes secular laws have hobbled all religions in America.

Even the Muslims that might look for trouble over in Muslim theocracies catch on that in America they will be incarcerated if they use words in the Qur'an to brutalize and kill others.

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