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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 687432 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#441222 May 15, 2013
My Portal wrote:
<quoted text>You can start with Moses on the mount, praying to God for guidence. Thus came the ten commandments.
Besides my last post, do you have knowledge and visible

Do you have confirmation that those tablets exist or ever existed?

Try to be as honest as you can when answering, okay?
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#441223 May 15, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Why then?
Why NOT then? When I had a talk with my self that my religion was also based on fantasy, it made it clear to me that I shouldn't just judge other people's religion as being based on selfish motives, as my own was also simply what satiated my desires. That was when I decided to leave all religion ... "including" my own previously precious fantasies.

It seemed the only fair avenue to take.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#441224 May 15, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Maybe because omniscience doesn't connote direct involvement in day to day occurrences.
So you are dismissing "God's Plan" because "He" only participates 'part-time'?

Unless you accept it exists, and everything I say is part of it.

Do you?

How did you come to speculate this? That is what you are doing. I guess you'll leave your "faith" - in this regard - outside the discussion, huh?
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#441225 May 15, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Then you and I are different.
I can relate to the Atheistic view, as well as, the religious view.
Seems to me, that you have me pegged incorrectly.
Do you still believe you KNOW your self???

:)
Human Being

Oberlin, LA

#441226 May 15, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Such blather.
You would like to believe that your religion allows you to know what others of your faith can't possibly know.
Arrogance is your venue and it resides only in your mind.
June VanDerMark:

You sound so confident and comfortable in your judgments, concerning my learning, my religion(which is not complete) and concerning my faith?

Ahhh. If only I were so confident.

No. I try to serve. And not out of arrogance or boastfulness. And perhaps you do as well.

Yes. I think so.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#441227 May 15, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Maybe because omniscience doesn't connote direct involvement in day to day occurrences.
Then "He" is not omnipresent either, huh? Or "all-powerful", or some other concoction to make "Him" the 'greatest'.

Your argument is dwindling rather quickly.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#441228 May 15, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Then you and I are different.
I can relate to the Atheistic view,
Having for seventy years been under the spell of religion, I can relate to both.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#441229 May 15, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
You were the one who brought up "evil", not me.
Yes June - that is your Self again.
Damn that Self!
:o)
If you believe all is goodness, then you must not believe that serial killers are evil, or for that matter, even selfish.

There is your self again.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#441230 May 15, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
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The catalyst was a decision of mine. An act of the will.
Like I said, I think non-canononical works are very useful, but my belief in them as absolute truth is not obligatory.
Okay - just so I understand what you stated:

- the catalyst was a decision you made - based upon your own will.
+ we can agree that this is Self, right?
+ but a decision is not a catalyst, but only a action taking after the catalyst was in place.

That is the question I had initially, but you didn't provide that "catalyst".

Can you be more clear?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#441231 May 15, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you still believe you KNOW your self???
:)
Of course I do.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#441232 May 15, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>they are not my desires,like i said was making a point about a second coming,and it had to involve scripture.
If you put faith in a second coming, those "are" your desires.

Your bible would be worse than useless to you if you thought Jesus was not going to come to save you.

I don't believe any savior is necessary for animals, and whether humans want to face it or not ... we are ALL simply animals.

If there just happens to be an afterlife, my guess is, it will include all the same type of life that ever existed on earth ... even dinosaurs.

That would only be fair.

:)

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#441233 May 15, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
New Age Spiritual Leader:
I agree with much of your thinking.
I would add, that because we are bound by the flesh, and for the most part, overcome by the senses(including the intellect), our limits of seeing an individual and collective outcome for humanity past death are very confined.(Biblically," we see but in a mirror dimly.")
But also in Biblical Christianity salvation is not by works, but in accepting Truth( if that is a work, then so be it), and is expressed in loving God and neighbor, which allows Love to be the center of one's own self.
So there is a point of intersection through which we can commonly discuss, with perhaps different words with similar meanings.(At least I think so.)
We just need to get past the "menudo" we each express openly.

:o)

Love and honesty are key factors.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#441234 May 15, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
New Age Spiritual Leader:
Ah. Yet is it the Creature, that seeks its Creator?
Or is our attention drawn from imperfections in oneself, to a Perfect Creator, and that becomes religion?
I, personally, am not seeking any "Creator", because I beleive differently than you.

For June:

"I believe that - somewhere, something, somehow, caused something to happen, which has caused all of this to occur."

Vague? Yes it is, because that is how much information I have to make any conclusions, so I don't make a conclusion.

Unlike others, who think the information provided by men, provide the individual with a conclusion.

The only conclusion one should accept for this discussion, is to not make a conclusion, because they don't have all the answers to begin with.

"Or is our attention drawn from imperfections in oneself, to a Perfect Creator, and that becomes religion?"
- this thought is only based upon and within those who think the Bible is true. Those of us who find that teh Bible is not accurate and full of errors, will believe differently.
- Like I said, I don't look for a "Creator" at all, but I do look for answers to the paranormal.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#441235 May 15, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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And they wanted people to believe that a Jew named Jesus supported the killing.
Citation please.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#441236 May 15, 2013
Maybe some day the word "miracle" ... brought to the language by nonsensical religion, will be a word of the archaic past.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>

Today, by the lexicon of modern resuscitation science, death is in fact fully reversible. Death can no longer be considered an absolute moment but rather a process that can be reversed even many hours after it has taken place. How many hours? Well, we don't know precisely, but definitely long enough to say that many of the 1,514 lifeless bodies discovered in the water by the crew of the rescue ship RMS Carpathia two hours after the Titanic had sunk could have been brought back to life if the Titanic had sunk in 2012 instead of 1912. This is not a play on words; it is literal. A person can actually be brought back to life after the heart has stopped beating and the brain has flatlined. The reason? The discovery that it is only after a person actually dies that the cells in his body go through their own process of death, which can be manipulated through science.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-parnia-md-p...

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#441237 May 15, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
And they wanted people to believe that a Jew named Jesus supported the killing.
To add - we both know that morality - in some sense - was a factor in these killings.

If we can utilize the "thou shall not kill" commandment as part of this speculation, then we can also surmise, since those people did kill, then they broke the commandment - thus, their morality is skewed, or only of their own.

That would also imply that if any of those folks were designated as "Saints" - in all fact, they were not "saintly" at all, and thus those folks - per Christianity - are in hell for going against "God".

Jesus didn't support killing, although certain men did.

Whether or not they used "in the name of Jesus", you'll have to provide some documentation that confirms your insertion.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#441238 May 15, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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To someone else, your honesty might be perceived as a lie.
True.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#441239 May 15, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
We just need to get past the "menudo" we each express openly.
:o)
Love and honesty are key factors.
Whose concept of honesty do you value besides your own???

Having been in religion, I was totally honest when I stated that I believed a god existed and that the god was of the nature of only love.

Now, I am of the belief that no deity exists and that is my current honest opinion.

Honesty does not mean that what people believe is based on truth.

Whether they are mine or yours, concepts cannot honestly claim to know truth.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#441240 May 15, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Why NOT then? When I had a talk with my self that my religion was also based on fantasy, it made it clear to me that I shouldn't just judge other people's religion as being based on selfish motives, as my own was also simply what satiated my desires. That was when I decided to leave all religion ... "including" my own previously precious fantasies.
It seemed the only fair avenue to take.
And so what is "right" for you, must take precedence upon others.

You sound like "God".

Welcome to the forum!

;o)

Now about the "true church" business.....what's the dillio?
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#441241 May 15, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Citation please.
The popes that taught that killing "heretics" and "witches" was a holy venture would most certainly want the followers to believe that Jesus supported what they taught.

They would not say to the followers ... "God wants you to kill those who offend him, but, by the way, Jesus is against what god wants you to do."

Is that enough "citation" for you?

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