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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 685932 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#440293 May 13, 2013
Dan wrote:
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LOL.
Um, Mother Teresa isn't noted for a lack of faith.
She had complete faith in Catholic dogmas, but had lost her faith in a god. She had to force herself to believe that god existed, because that's what her dogmas dictated to her was necessary. If she didn't believe in the supposed god, she was certain she would burn in hell.

That is not a healthy reason to keep one's faith. Not even close.

She was determined that the god HAD to exist for her own salvation.
Just Sayin

Mount Juliet, TN

#440294 May 13, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
June VanDerMark wrote:
So if anything is possible, and all those other savior-gods did come to earth once and never came again to save those who had absolute faith in their coming ... is it possible that Jesus will not come either???
Will you entertain THAT thought as being a possibility?
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For a fourth attempt to answer, and you didn't, all you could come up with is this?
First off, you don't believe what Jesus stated. And he never stated that he would be returning - only OTHER men have.
Please state the passage that specifically has Jesus stating, "when I come again....."
Luke 19:1-28
John 21:14-24
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#440295 May 13, 2013
(CBS) In life, Mother Teresa was an icon — for believers — of God's work on Earth. Her ministry to the poor of Calcutta was a world-renowned symbol of religious compassion. She was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

In a rare interview in 1986, Mother Teresa told CBS News she had a calling, based on unquestioned faith.

"They are all children of God, loved and created by the same heart of God," she said.

But now, it has emerged that Mother Teresa was so doubtful of her own faith that she feared being a hypocrite, reports CBS News correspondent Mark Phillips.

In a new book that compiles letters she wrote to friends, superiors and confessors, her doubts are obvious.

Shortly after beginning work in Calcutta's slums, the spirit left Mother Teresa.

"Where is my faith?" she wrote. "Even deep down… there is nothing but emptiness and darkness... If there be God — please forgive me."

Eight years later, she was still looking to reclaim her lost faith.

"Such deep longing for God… Repulsed, empty, no faith, no love, no zeal," she said.

As her fame increased, her faith refused to return. Her smile, she said, was a mask.

"What do I labor for?" she asked in one letter. "If there be no God, there can be no soul. If there be no soul then, Jesus, You also are not true."

"These are letters that were kept in the archbishop's house," the Rev. Brian Kolodiejchuk told Phillips.

The letters were gathered by Rev. Kolodiejchuk, the priest who's making the case to the Vatican for Mother Teresa's proposed sainthood. He said her obvious spiritual torment actually helps her case.

"Now we have this new understanding, this new window into her interior life, and for me this seems to be the most heroic," said Rev. Kolodiejchuk.

According to her letters, Mother Teresa died with her doubts. She had even stopped praying, she once said.

The church decided to keep her letters, even though one of her dying wishes was that they be destroyed. Perhaps now we know why.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#440296 May 13, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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If his name was Ihcuc in Greek ... should his name not still be Ihcuc?
Why the sudden change by the Catholics?
Your link didn't work, so I can't speak to the whole "IHcuc" thing you're linking to here.

In the absence of that, is your new big thing now that we should all speak Greek when referring to Jesus?

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#440297 May 13, 2013
Clay wrote:
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I clarified that there were different forms and I quoted the Nicene Creed which you should have known being a former Catholic.
Do you believe in Jesus Christ, One Being with the Father; Consubstantial with the Father; By the power of the Holy Spirit??
Yes or No. Is Jesus Christ ONE Being with God???
Don't run away. Its only one word... yes or no?
That's what I thought.
I gave you my belief that Christ is not God...and that God is not Christ....that is supported by the Catholic Apostle's Creed...that is what it teaches..it is based on Scripture.

You cannot show me the Holy Trinity that shows God is Christ and Christ is God....they are not the same....God said it...Christ said it....read your Bible....
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#440298 May 13, 2013
Dan wrote:
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As I am a Christian, I do not believe that it is possible that Christ will not do as He promised.
Was pretty sure I've already responded to this.
I have no idea what other saviors in what faiths that you're alluding to, or if those faiths set a date for the return of a savior that has expired.
I get it. You will believe that other savior-gods didn't come even the first time around, much less the second time around as promised by other theologians. But you WILL believe that a savior will come the second time around to save you.

Is that because you believe all the other people didn't deserve a savior ... but you are so special that the savior is BOUND to come?

:)
Dan

Omaha, NE

#440299 May 13, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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She had complete faith in Catholic dogmas, but had lost her faith in a god. She had to force herself to believe that god existed, because that's what her dogmas dictated to her was necessary. If she didn't believe in the supposed god, she was certain she would burn in hell.
That is not a healthy reason to keep one's faith. Not even close.
She was determined that the god HAD to exist for her own salvation.
I'm not sure if it's your nor my call as to what's a "good reason" for someone to keep their faith.

Glad you're comfy projecting your rationales unto Mother Teresa, who daily encountered grinding poverty, helplessness and despair, from the comfort of your keyboard. Splendid read, June.



Just Sayin

Mount Juliet, TN

#440300 May 13, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I clarified that there were different forms and I quoted the Nicene Creed which you should have known being a former Catholic.
Do you believe in Jesus Christ, One Being with the Father; Consubstantial with the Father; By the power of the Holy Spirit??
Yes or No. Is Jesus Christ ONE Being with God???
Don't run away. Its only one word... yes or no?
That's what I thought.
He denies the divinity of Jesus because he can't stomach calling Mary "Mother of God."
Dan

Omaha, NE

#440301 May 13, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
(CBS) In life, Mother Teresa was an icon — for believers — of God's work on Earth. Her ministry to the poor of Calcutta was a world-renowned symbol of religious compassion. She was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
In a rare interview in 1986, Mother Teresa told CBS News she had a calling, based on unquestioned faith.
"They are all children of God, loved and created by the same heart of God," she said.
But now, it has emerged that Mother Teresa was so doubtful of her own faith that she feared being a hypocrite, reports CBS News correspondent Mark Phillips.
In a new book that compiles letters she wrote to friends, superiors and confessors, her doubts are obvious.
Shortly after beginning work in Calcutta's slums, the spirit left Mother Teresa.
"Where is my faith?" she wrote. "Even deep down… there is nothing but emptiness and darkness... If there be God — please forgive me."
Eight years later, she was still looking to reclaim her lost faith.
"Such deep longing for God… Repulsed, empty, no faith, no love, no zeal," she said.
As her fame increased, her faith refused to return. Her smile, she said, was a mask.
"What do I labor for?" she asked in one letter. "If there be no God, there can be no soul. If there be no soul then, Jesus, You also are not true."
"These are letters that were kept in the archbishop's house," the Rev. Brian Kolodiejchuk told Phillips.
The letters were gathered by Rev. Kolodiejchuk, the priest who's making the case to the Vatican for Mother Teresa's proposed sainthood. He said her obvious spiritual torment actually helps her case.
"Now we have this new understanding, this new window into her interior life, and for me this seems to be the most heroic," said Rev. Kolodiejchuk.
According to her letters, Mother Teresa died with her doubts. She had even stopped praying, she once said.
The church decided to keep her letters, even though one of her dying wishes was that they be destroyed. Perhaps now we know why.
Kolodiejchuks' appraisal is spot on. This makes Mother Teresa even more of an heroic figure and an exemplar to the faithful.

Your use of Mother Teresa's suffering in this aspect is callow at best, inhumane at worst.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#440302 May 13, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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"adult souls???"
Are those the ones that are "perfected."
:)
You're looking for OldJG here, June.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#440303 May 13, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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You are grasping at straw....
alcoholism - an intense persistent desire to drink alcoholic beverages to excess.....
From the age of 15 to my mid-forties, drinking alcoholic beverages was one of my greatest desires....
It never caused me any pain, suffering, or distress....only pleasure...that's why I drank!!!
Um, alcoholism is a affliction, even when defines incorrectly as you have here.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#440304 May 13, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Here you go again. Indicating that you know Jesus was real and was a teacher of the Catholic religion.
That isn't what I stated or posted. You are reading waaaaay to much into my posts than what is needed in understanding them, which is causing you to be confused.

I have no clue on whether or not Jesus was real. Do I care, not really, because I think the morals and teachings used are interesting and can change a person's life.

It's the same as if I were reading the Bhagavata Purana and being Hindu.
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Don't you consider that if Jesus was real he would have been preaching ONLY unadulterated Judaism in a synagogue?
No. Many folks throughout the ages have ventured into some new radical way of thinking.

Jesus so happens, seems to be one of them.

Radical man, just radical.

If he was preaching the ways of Judaism as he knew them to be, but decided that they weren't true, as I express as well, it doesn't necessarily mean he is still a Jew.

I was a Catholic at birth, but renounced that religion, because I believe something different.

Jesus seems to have beent he same way.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#440305 May 13, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Your link didn't work, so I can't speak to the whole "IHcuc" thing you're linking to here.
In the absence of that, is your new big thing now that we should all speak Greek when referring to Jesus?
You didn't search very much ... did you?

:)

Would YOU like me to change the name of Jesus to Harry???

It's the same thing. The Catholics had no "moral" right to take the name Ihcuc from Greek and change it to Jesus ... but they needed a new name as a catch-phrase for their new religion.

The name Ihcuc had already been USED by the Greeks.

Shape-shifting was and is the name of all religious games.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#440306 May 13, 2013
Dan wrote:
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No. My grandfather was, and my wife is.
so you really haven't been involved with any other forms of religion, correct? Meaning, practicing them like you do as a Catholic, right?

Reading about them is not like practicing them.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#440307 May 13, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Humans are as dumb as the ones that lived in caves.
You may believe as you wish. I for one, disagree, and I would suspect many others will agree with my position.
Michael

Canada

#440308 May 13, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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In my opinion the stupid websites you reference indicate a rather amatuerish and adolescent approach to verifying facts Mike, in fact, a 3rd grader can probably analyze data and comprehend it better than you do.
1.^ a b c In a 2011 review of the state of modern scholarship, Bart Ehrman (now a secular agnostic who was formerly Evangelical) wrote: "He certainly existed, as virtually every competent scholar of antiquity, Christian or non-Christian, agrees" B. Ehrman, 2011 Forged : writing in the name of God ISBN 978-0-06-207863-6. page 285
3.^ a b Michael Grant (a classicist) states that "In recent years,'no serious scholar has ventured to postulate the non historicity of Jesus' or at any rate very few, and they have not succeeded in disposing of the much stronger, indeed very abundant, evidence to the contrary." in Jesus: An Historian's Review of the Gospels by Micjhael Grant 2004 ISBN 1898799881 page 200
4.^ a b Richard A. Burridge states: "There are those who argue that Jesus is a figment of the Church’s imagination, that there never was a Jesus at all. I have to say that I do not know any respectable critical scholar who says that any more." in Jesus Now and Then by Richard A. Burridge and Graham Gould (Apr 1, 2004) ISBN 0802809774 page 34
9.^ a b c d Robert E. Van Voorst Jesus Outside the New Testament: An Introduction to the Ancient Evidence Eerdmans Publishing, 2000. ISBN 0-8028-4368-9 page 16 states: "biblical scholars and classical historians regard theories of non-existence of Jesus as effectively refuted"
10.^ a b James D. G. Dunn "Paul's understanding of the death of Jesus" in Sacrifice and Redemption edited by S. W. Sykes (Dec 3, 2007) Cambridge University Press ISBN 052104460X pages 35-36 states that the theories of non-existence of Jesus are "a thoroughly dead thesis"
11.^ a b c The Gospels and Jesus by Graham Stanton, 1989 ISBN 0192132415 Oxford University Press, page 145 states : "Today nearly all historians, whether Christians or not, accept that Jesus existed".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_J...
Did a man named Jesus who did good deeds exist in Judea 2,000 years ago? Quite possibly. Was he the son of God? Only christians claim so.

How long did it take you to research these hand picked individuals that are pro-biased Jesus?

I can give you a longer list of contemporary writers from that era, who wrote exclusively about the Jews that speak nothing of a god/man named Jesus.......not your list of modern day thinkers who use their own personal opinion to come up with their theories.

UNBELIEVABLE!

For a flip flop guy like yourself who told us he is leaving this forum because he doesn't like it, then quietly returns, why would anyone trust what you have to say?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#440309 May 13, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
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What are you talking about?
If you have to ask, then you don't know.

Go research the Nag Hammadi Library.

Thanks for responding.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#440310 May 13, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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I get it. You will believe that other savior-gods didn't come even the first time around, much less the second time around as promised by other theologians. But you WILL believe that a savior will come the second time around to save you.
Is that because you believe all the other people didn't deserve a savior ... but you are so special that the savior is BOUND to come?
:)
Um, if you're going to reply to yourself, why ask me questions?
Michael

Canada

#440311 May 13, 2013


Christianity comes from the accumulation of legends and theologies by previous people, and applied them to Jesus. The origin of those ideas wasn't Jesus. The origin was the myths, legends, philosophies, prejudices, superstitions, customs, traditions, and elements of belief belonged to other previous man/gods.

Christianity was a product of its time and place. Good salesmanship by the ones instilling fear into every one.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#440312 May 13, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Amongst other related verses:
John 14:1-4
14 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God[a]; believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”
June will be pissed that He didn't say when, but there it is.
I asked for Jesus' words, not "John".

Besides that point, Jesus is speaking in a spiritual manner, not a physical one.

If one is to insert NDE experiences into this "notion", a "being of light" is usually present at the person's death. One could reflect that "this is where Jesus take you with him".

I understand your "hope". Really, I do. It beats the "fears" that have been instilled bythe heirarchy, huh?

But - IMO - you will never see this "coming back" by Jesus - in a physical form or on this Earth. But you will continue to hope for something that he never stated to occur, just because you beleive men.

You've read "John" out of context.

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