Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 20 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Dan

Omaha, NE

#439732 May 10, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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As for prayers to Mary, in a book published by the Excelsior Publishing House, New York, 1891, and which book is entitled Glories of Mary and which was approved by the Archbishop of New York, on page 84 we read, "Sinners receive pardon only through the intercession of Mary." In the rosary, Catholics call on our Father some fourteen times and upon Mary some fifty-three times.
I believe the Archbishop....which makes you a teller of falsehoods!!!!
I'm Catholic.

If I DID worship Mary, what reason would I have to tell you otherwise? I certainly tell you about all my other beliefs.

To avoid your disapproval of the belief? You already disapprove of my beliefs.

Think-if just for one second, think.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#439733 May 10, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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As for prayers to Mary, in a book published by the Excelsior Publishing House, New York, 1891, and which book is entitled Glories of Mary and which was approved by the Archbishop of New York, on page 84 we read, "Sinners receive pardon only through the intercession of Mary." In the rosary, Catholics call on our Father some fourteen times and upon Mary some fifty-three times.
I believe the Archbishop....which makes you a teller of falsehoods!!!!
Um, I'd hope the Rosary mentions Mary multiple times-it's a prayer for her intercession.

How many more moldy oldies from "Anti-Catholicism's Greatest Hits" am I to endure from you all? This is like being in "Groundhog Day".
Dan

Omaha, NE

#439734 May 10, 2013
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Dan come on I never said no such thing, I thought you were more intelligent to pull something like that.
I posted scripture to prove to you that Jesus would not have drank ferment wine or give it to other people.
you can't except what is truth because it goes against what your catholic church teaches.
Actually, earlier today I posted scripture where Jesus did drink wine AND gave a whole lot to other people.

You posted a whole lot of drivel from people telling me to not believe what scripture says because they don't like booze.

I'll stick with Jesus on this one. Usually the right call.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#439735 May 10, 2013
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The priest that taught me the Catechism...whom else????
No one taught you the Catechism, or else you wouldn't ask the questions you ask.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#439736 May 10, 2013
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I don't recall asking if God calls men to the priesthood...
I do recall asking:
A. God calls people to the priesthood, knowing full well that the guy will become a drunkard???
B. God doesn't know a guy will become a drunkard?
C. The guy is lying...God never called him?????
D. The guy knows the Catholic church is a haven for pedophiles, he is one, so he lies and gets in the "hen house".
Which is it??
Why don't you answer my question?????
You stated it.

I said A.

Did you miss it?

A. God calls the guy to the priesthood, knowing he will suffer from human afflictions.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#439737 May 10, 2013
Dan wrote:
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All contradicted by the fact that Christ did partake of wine and He changed the water into wine at Cana.
I'm not sure what imbecile is responsible for this paste-o-rama, since you didn't cite it, but we don't "believe more strongly ON Him" or anyone or anything. You believe IN them or that, not "ON" them or that.
So you believe Jesus went against His own word. Said one thing and did another.
I believe God Dan, I believe Him.

Jesus did partake of wine! unfermented.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#439738 May 10, 2013
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So you believe Jesus went against His own word. Said one thing and did another.
I believe God Dan, I believe Him.
Jesus did partake of wine! unfermented.
It's in black and white, LTM.

He did it.

....and there's nothing in scripture to tell us it's anything other than real wine-the alcoholic kind. Nothing. Zippo.

The Bible's been translated 16 bazillion times, and they ALL say "wine".

Only people who think Christ made a mistake (like you) twist and turn to tell us it isn't real wine so you can rationalize your fear of booze. Don't make your problem everyone else's problem.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#439739 May 10, 2013
OldJG wrote:
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"Because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy." (Hebrews 10:14)
We are being made holy.....we are not holy. His sacrifice, Jesus, made us perfect in the eyes of God. Can we sin? In this fleshly body we will ALL continue to sin.
Now let me ask you a question. You seem to disagree with once saved always saved, correct? If a born again believer in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior can lose their salvation how can they lose it? If they lose their salvation how can they be saved again? When does a born again believer receive eternal life? Provide the name of one, just one, person who was indeed saved and then lost their salvation. The words "LOST THEIR SALVATION" need to be mentioned in any verse you might use from the Bible. LOST THEIR SALVATION.....who lost their salvation??????
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You said, quote, "unrepentant sin". End quote.
So it is unrepentant sin that annuls salvation. Is this correct? You speak of sin as tho you are an expert on the subject. Let me ask, is it possible to sin and not know you have sinned?
Come on danny boy, you can do better than that. Your opinion is not enough evidence. Where is a name or a verse with a name in it stating this person LOST THEIR SALVATION? Where is your sting danny? It seems you are nothing more than a bee whose stinger has been removed. Or perhaps a toothless tiger? Take your pick.
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Speaking of toothless tiger, would you kindly pass along the Bible verse that states "once saved, always saved"?
To follow the exact wording of your rubric to me, "The words "ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS SAVED" need to be mentioned in any verse you might use from the Bible.
Get to work, "toothless"!
I would not call you very creative. My goodness you copied me and you call me toothless? Really? Go away danny boy you are way over matched.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#439740 May 10, 2013
OldJG wrote:
OldJG wrote:
OldJG wrote:
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"Because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy." (Hebrews 10:14)
We are being made holy.....we are not holy. His sacrifice, Jesus, made us perfect in the eyes of God. Can we sin? In this fleshly body we will ALL continue to sin.
Now let me ask you a question. You seem to disagree with once saved always saved, correct? If a born again believer in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior can lose their salvation how can they lose it? If they lose their salvation how can they be saved again? When does a born again believer receive eternal life? Provide the name of one, just one, person who was indeed saved and then lost their salvation. The words "LOST THEIR SALVATION" need to be mentioned in any verse you might use from the Bible. LOST THEIR SALVATION.....who lost their salvation??????
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You said, quote, "unrepentant sin". End quote.
So it is unrepentant sin that annuls salvation. Is this correct? You speak of sin as tho you are an expert on the subject. Let me ask, is it possible to sin and not know you have sinned?
Come on danny boy, you can do better than that. Your opinion is not enough evidence. Where is a name or a verse with a name in it stating this person LOST THEIR SALVATION? Where is your sting danny? It seems you are nothing more than a bee whose stinger has been removed. Or perhaps a toothless tiger? Take your pick.
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I would not call you very creative. My goodness you copied me and you call me toothless? Really? Go away danny boy you are way over matched.
Just playing by the same rules you demand of me. Eminently fair, yes?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#439741 May 10, 2013
OldJG wrote:
OldJG wrote:
OldJG wrote:
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"Because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy." (Hebrews 10:14)
We are being made holy.....we are not holy. His sacrifice, Jesus, made us perfect in the eyes of God. Can we sin? In this fleshly body we will ALL continue to sin.
Now let me ask you a question. You seem to disagree with once saved always saved, correct? If a born again believer in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior can lose their salvation how can they lose it? If they lose their salvation how can they be saved again? When does a born again believer receive eternal life? Provide the name of one, just one, person who was indeed saved and then lost their salvation. The words "LOST THEIR SALVATION" need to be mentioned in any verse you might use from the Bible. LOST THEIR SALVATION.....who lost their salvation??????
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You said, quote, "unrepentant sin". End quote.
So it is unrepentant sin that annuls salvation. Is this correct? You speak of sin as tho you are an expert on the subject. Let me ask, is it possible to sin and not know you have sinned?
Come on danny boy, you can do better than that. Your opinion is not enough evidence. Where is a name or a verse with a name in it stating this person LOST THEIR SALVATION? Where is your sting danny? It seems you are nothing more than a bee whose stinger has been removed. Or perhaps a toothless tiger? Take your pick.
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I would not call you very creative. My goodness you copied me and you call me toothless? Really? Go away danny boy you are way over matched.
You were so preoccupied with being a smartmouth that you didn't realize you'd painted yourself into a corner.

Hope you got a chuckle out of it.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#439742 May 10, 2013
Dan wrote:
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You were so preoccupied with being a smartmouth that you didn't realize you'd painted yourself into a corner.
Hope you got a chuckle out of it.
Actually you never answered other than admitting you didn't have an answer correct?

Chuckle? You bet. I am happy all the time. I am assured of my salvation. How about you? How can you ever be happy never knowing if you are headed for heaven or hell? Just hoping you are good enough would have to make a person a nervous wreck.

Great verse.....

I John 5:13, "I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life."
Dan

Omaha, NE

#439744 May 10, 2013
OldJG wrote:
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Actually you never answered other than admitting you didn't have an answer correct?
Chuckle? You bet. I am happy all the time. I am assured of my salvation. How about you? How can you ever be happy never knowing if you are headed for heaven or hell? Just hoping you are good enough would have to make a person a nervous wreck.
Great verse.....
I John 5:13, "I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life."
If your burden of proof for me is the exact phrase verbatim, then you, who IS 1.) the OSAS proponent and 2.) the "bible and nothing but the bible guy" (I belong to neither camp) certainly should hew to that same standard.

I'll mark this one in my column.

hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#439746 May 10, 2013
LTM wrote:
REASON NINE IS THAT THE LORD JESUS CHRIST WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN GLORY FROM MAKING DRUNK PEOPLE DRUNKER. Verse 11 is most important when it states that, by this miracle, Jesus “manifested forth his glory.” Verse 10 indicates that the people had drunk quite a bit of whatever kind of wine they were drinking. If it had been alcoholic, they would have been intoxicated, or nearly so. Had Christ made alcoholic wine, He would have made drunk people drunker, or almost-drunk people completely drunk! Such a deed would certainly not have manifested any glory to Him!
THE TENTH REASON IS THAT MAKING DRUNK PEOPLE DRUNKER WOULD NOT HAVE CAUSED HIS DISCIPLES TO BELIEVE MORE STRONGLY ON HIM, yet verse 11 says that, as a result of what He did in turning the water into wine,“his disciples believed on him.” Jn. 1:41 shows that they had already believed on Him as Messiah; this was a deepening of their faith and a proof that they had not been wrong. Would making drunk people drunker inspire such faith? The opposite would be likely! They were not looking for a Messiah who would pass out free booze! Thus, because of the description of this miracle and its result, we cannot conclude otherwise than that this wine was non-alcoholic.
THE ELEVENTH REASON THAT JESUS WOULD "NEVER EVER" SUPPORT THE BELIEF OF "SOLA SCRIPTURA"--bible only Protestant doctrine that is being "blindly, utterly careless and recklessly" (thrown around today) as the only source of truth, is that (1) "nowhere" in the bible does it say that God the Father or Jesus HIS son chose to transmit their infallible, divine and inspired words "only in the bible" (2) Jesus never said "anything" about leaving His disciples a bible---but "what He did tell them" is that he was leaving them His One True (Universal-Catholic) Church in Matthew 16:13-21 (3) Jesus, confirmed HIS CHURCH as the primary source of TRUTH, through the writings of Paul in I Timothy 3:15 when he calls THE CHURCH (not the bible, nor the bible alone) is the pillar, pinnacle and foundation of the TRUTH
(4) Jesus authenticates, establishes and originates HIS first heirarchical, authoritative and visible Church at Antioch, taught, headed, and ministered by His Apostles with Bishops, priests, elders and deacons in Acts 2.(5) Pauls letters also support Jesus' visible, authoritative, heirarchical Churches at Thessalonica, Ephesus, Corinth, Galatia, Colossia, Philippi,ect.
Over 2000 years of "confirmed" historical and biblical TRUTH support the "spoken, stated and expressed words of Jesus HIMSELF in the Gospel of Matthew regarding His One (and only one) TRUE APOSTOLIC (Universal) Church as being CATHOLIC and CATHOLIC ONLY!!!
The other proven fact is that sola scriptura is unscriptural, unhistorical and untenable:
a) Sola Scriptura contradicts itself, because it is not taught in Scripture
b) Sola Scriptura is "personal opinionated" editorialization of the interpretation of the bible
c) Bible Only Protestanism is a contradicting, inconsistent and conflicting "hodge-podge" of over 42,000 divided interpretations of the bible since the Reformation
d.The Bible teaches that oral tradition is a source of Gods revelation of TRUTH
e.The Bible shows the Catholic system of authority
f.The writings of the earliest Christians shows the Catholic system and doctrine of authority,
g. The legitimate practices of the Jews developed, and the scriptures were not viewed as an exclusive guide to TRUTH
h.Sola Sciptura was not believed by "anybody" until after the Reformation, and thus a tradition of man, condemned by Jesus
i.The Bible prophesies the rise and growth of the Catholic Church
The words of Jesus in the bible "clearly and explicitly" tell us that HIS CHURCH has, is and will continue to exist, proclaim the TRUTH and teach infallibly (on faith and morals) until the end of the world.

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#439747 May 10, 2013
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A, if you need one picked.
God did call him to the priesthood, and He knew that he would suffer with human afflictions.
You are saying, in this case, "human afflictions" equate to alcoholics whom are drunkards. That every priest God called to the priesthood, God knew they would all become drunkards.

Logic says, since God knows when He calls a person, that person will become a drunkard, He also knows when He calls a person to the priesthood that person will not become a drunkard.

Any idea why He favors those He knows will become drunkards????!!!

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#439748 May 10, 2013
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Dan wrote:
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I like cherrypicked "one-liners" off anonymous Catholic-bashing websites as much as the next guy, but when I want to learn something, I go to the source.
Here's a link to the Catechism of the Catholic Church. It's what they teach-top to bottom.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX....
Find me where they teach that Mary is to be accorded divine worship, or conversely, where anyone BUT God is to be accorded divine worship.
Report back.
We'll leave the light on.
Excerpt From
The Glories of Mary
St. Alphonsus de Liguori
Redemptorist Fathers, 1931
with Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur
Published on the Web with Permission

Mary, Our Life, Our Sweetness

I. Mary is our Life, Because She Obtains for Us the Pardon of our Sins.

To understand why the holy Church makes us call Mary our life we must know, that as the soul gives life to the body so does Divine grace give life to the soul; for a soul without grace has the name of being alive, but is in truth dead, as it was said of one in the Apocalypse, "Thou hast the name of being alive, and thou art dead." [Apoc. 3:1] Mary, then, in obtaining this grace for sinners by her intercession, thus restores them to life.

See how the Church makes her speak, applying to her the following words of Proverbs: "They that in the morning early watch for me shall find me." [Prov. 8:17] They who are diligent in having recourse to me in the morning, that is, as soon as they can, will most certainly find me. In the Septuagint the words "shall find me" are rendered "shall find grace." So that to have recourse to Mary is the same thing as to find the grace of God. A little further on she says, "He that shall find me shall find life, and shall have salvation from the Lord." "Listen," exclaims St. Bonaventure on these words, "listen, all you who desire the kingdom of God; honor the most blessed Virgin Mary and you will find life and eternal salvation."

St. Bernardine of Siena says, that if God did not destroy man after his first sin, it was on account of His singular love for this holy Virgin, who was destined to be born of this race. And the Saint adds, "that he has no doubt but that all the mercies granted by God under the Old Dispensation were granted only in consideration of this most blessed Lady."

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#439749 May 10, 2013
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Hence St. Bernard was right in exhorting us "to seek for grace, and to seek it by Mary"; meaning, that if we have had the misfortune to lose the grace of God, we should seek to recover it, but we should do so through Mary; for though we may have lost it, she has found it; and hence the Saint calls her " the finder of grace." The Angel Gabriel expressly declared this for our consolation, when he saluted the Blessed Virgin saying " Fear not, Mary, thou hast found grace." [Luke 1:30] But if Mary had never been deprived of grace, how could the Archangel say that she had then found it? A thing may be found by a person who did not previously possess it; but we are told by the same Archangel that the Blessed Virgin was always with God, always in grace, nay, full of grace. "Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee." Since Mary, then, did not find grace for herself, she being always full of it, for whom did she find it? Cardinal Hugo, in his commentary on the above text, replies that she found it for sinners who had lost it. "Let sinners, then," says this devout writer, "who by their crimes have lost grace, address themselves to the Blessed Virgin, for with her they will surely find it; let them humbly salute her, and say with confidence, "Lady, that which has been found must be restored to him who has lost it; restore us, therefore, our property which thou hast found." On this subject, Richard of St. Laurence concludes, "that if we hope to receive the grace of God, we must go to Mary, who has found it, and finds it always." And as she always was and always will be dear to God, if we have recourse to her we shall certainly succeed.

Again, Mary says, in the eighth chapter of the sacred Canticles, that God has placed her in the world to be our defense: "I am a wall: and my breasts are as a tower." [Cant. 8:10] And she is truly made a mediatress of peace between sinners and God; " Since I am become in His presence as one finding peace." On these words St. Bernard encourages sinners, saying, "Go to this Mother of Mercy, and show her the wounds which thy sins have left on thy soul; then will she certainly entreat her Son, by the breasts that gave Him suck, to pardon thee all. And this Divine Son, Who loves her so tenderly, will most certainly grant her petition." In this sense it is that the holy Church, in her almost daily prayer, calls upon us to beg Our Lord to grant us the powerful help of the intercession of Mary to rise from our sins: "Grant Thy help to our weakness, a most merciful God; and that we who are mindful of the holy Mother of God, may by the help of her intercession rise from our iniquities."

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#439750 May 10, 2013
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With reason, then, does St. Laurence Justinian call her "the hope of malefactors," since she alone is the one who obtains them pardon from God. With reason does St. Bernard call her "the sinners' ladder," since she, the most compassionate Queen, extending her hand to them, draws them from an abyss of sin, and enables them to ascend to God. With reason does an ancient writer call her "the only hope of sinners," for by her help alone can we hope for the remission of our sins.
St. John Chrysostom also says "that sinners receive pardon by the intercession of Mary alone." And therefore the Saint, in the name of all sinners, thus addresses her: "Hail, Mother of God and of us all,'heaven,' where God dwells,'throne,' from which our Lord dispenses all grace,'fair daughter, Virgin, honor, glory, and firmament of our Church,' assiduously pray to Jesus that in the day of judgment we may find mercy through thee, and receive the reward prepared by God for those who love Him."
With reason, finally, is Mary called, in the words of the sacred Canticles, the dawn: "Who is she that cometh forth as the morning rising?" [Cant. 6:9] Yes, says Pope Innocent III, "for as the dawn is the end of night, and the beginning of day, well may the Blessed Virgin Mary, who was the end of vices, be called the dawn of day." [In Assumpt. s. 2] "When devotion towards Mary begins in a soul it produces the same effect that the birth of this most holy Virgin produced in the world. It puts an end to the night of sin, and leads the soul into the path of virtue. Therefore, St. Germanus says, "O Mother of God, thy protection never ceases, thy intercession is life, and thy patronage never fails." And in a sermon the same Saint says that to pronounce the name of Mary with affection is a sign of life in the soul, or at least that life will soon return there.
We read in the Gospel of St. Luke [1:48] that Mary said, "Behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed." "Yes, my Lady," exclaims St. Bernard, "all generations shall call thee blessed, for thou hast begotten life and glory for all generations of men." For this cause all men shall call thee blessed, for all thy servants obtain through thee the life of grace and eternal glory. "In thee do sinners find pardon, and the just perseverance and eternal life." "Distrust not, O sinner," says the devout Bernardine de Bustis, "even if thou hast committed all possible sins: go with confidence to this most glorious Lady, and thou wilt find her hands filled with mercy and bounty." And, he adds, for "she desires more to do thee good than thou canst desire to receive favors from her."

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#439751 May 10, 2013
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St. Andrew of Crete calls Mary the pledge of Divine mercy; meaning that, when sinners have recourse to Mary, that they may be reconciled with God, He assures them of pardon and gives them a pledge of it; and this pledge is Mary, whom He has bestowed upon us for our advocate, and by whose intercession (by virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ) God forgives all who have recourse to her. St. Bridget heard an Angel say, that the holy prophets rejoiced in knowing that God, by the humility and purity of Mary, was to be reconciled with sinners, and to receive those who had offended Him to favor. "They exulted, foreknowing that Our Lord Himself would be appeased by thy humility, and the purity of thy life, O Mary, thou supereffulgent star, and that He would be reconciled with those who had provoked His wrath."
No sinner having recourse to the compassion of Mary should fear being rejected; for she is the Mother of Mercy, and as such desires to save the most miserable. Mary is that happy ark, says St. Bernard, in which those who take refuge will never suffer the shipwreck of eternal perdition." At the time of the deluge even brutes were saved in Noe's ark. Under the mantle of Mary even sinners obtain salvation. St. Gertrude once saw Mary with her mantle extended, and under it many wild beasts-----lions, bears, and tigers-----had taken refuge. And she remarked that Mary not only did not reject, but even welcomed and caressed, them with the greatest tenderness. The saint understood hereby that the most abandoned sinners who have recourse to Mary are not only not rejected, but that they are welcomed and saved by her, from eternal death. Let us, then, enter this ark, let us take refuge under the mantle of Mary, and she most certainly will not reject us, but will secure our salvation.

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#439752 May 10, 2013
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Dan wrote:
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Um, I'd hope the Rosary mentions Mary multiple times-it's a prayer for her intercession.
How many more moldy oldies from "Anti-Catholicism's Greatest Hits" am I to endure from you all? This is like being in "Groundhog Day".
I believe the Archbishop....which makes you a teller of falsehoods!!!!

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#439753 May 10, 2013
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No one taught you the Catechism, or else you wouldn't ask the questions you ask.
You are forgetting one thing...the Catechism I was taught some 75 years ago, is not the same being taught today..

Which clearly says it never was based on Scripture...because if it was, it would not change its teaching, since the Word of God does not change...

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