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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 699463 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Clay

United States

#439215 May 9, 2013
chuck wrote:
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June blurts out posts too Clay that has nothing to do with the conversation going on. You should go see what she's doing. Thanks.
Who's June? Does she post on here?
:-)

You were talking about the Sacrament of Confession. I asked if you guys bother confessing your sins at all.
Its not like I stepped in and brought up the Papacy. What I said was pertinent to the discussion.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#439216 May 9, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>THE APOSTLE PAUL WITHSTOOD PETER
Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed...

Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.

Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.

Gal 2:18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel,

I said unto Peter before them all,

If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and

not as do the Jews,

why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

Gal 2:15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#439217 May 9, 2013
Many put the manifestation of Kingdom of God in the future, and they are
right, in part, the Kingdom will not be established over all the World, and all
men, until the lease on the Earth that God gave Adam runs out, and Jesus opens
it and takes possession of it (REV 5:1-5 and REV 11:15-17), however, we have
been transfered from the dominion of darkness into His Kingdom, the Word
declares that we are Ambassadors of Christ (2 COR 5:20 (5:17-6:1)) and God's
fellow workers. We are in the World, but NOT of it, moreover, it shouldn't be
allowed to be IN us, the Kingdom of God should be in us! The word says we can
be partakers of "the Heavenly Gift", sharing "in the Holy Spirit," and
"the goodness of the Word of God and the Powers of the Comming age" (HEB 6:5).
We CAN see the manifestation of that age in our lives now, praise God for it.
So how far into the things of God do you need to go to get there? Let's look at
what Paul says is the foundation of maturity.

HEBREWS 6:1+2:

Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to
maturity, not laying again the FOUNDATION of: Repentance from acts that lead to
death. And of Faith in God. Instruction about Baptisms, the laying on of hands,
the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgement.
Clay

United States

#439218 May 9, 2013
Dan wrote:
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I'm not aware if chuck believes in OSAS or not.
I believe he does. However, its very difficult to keep track of what they all believe.
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#439219 May 9, 2013
The things that many christians see as the "whole" of christianity are really
just its foundation. Many groups do not teach any more than what is in Hebrews
Six One and Two. But it is just the fundamental foundation, its not the whole of
what God has for us, it is indeed significant stuff, but God has a lot more
in store for us. As christians we are called to turn from the behaviors that
lead to death and destruction. We are called to act in a higher mannor than what
the World is accustomed to. And when we are saved, we are faced with the fact
that our old man is still around in the form of habits, attitudes, and
reasonings. But we are called to press on in Faith to bring our lives subject
to His Word and its commands (chief of which is that we live in Love). We are
Baptized into Jesus, into His death, burial, and resurrection. We recieve water
baptism as a sign of that spiritual process. And there is, subsequent to
Salvation, a Baptism in the Spirit that is our empowerment to be witnesses to
the whole world of Jesus and the Gospel of His Kingdom. We are called to live a
life of ministry, a part of which is to lay hands on the sick, the oppressed,
and the poor, and to bless them in His Name in order to bring our faith and
God's Word into play in their lives while doing so. We look forward to the
resurrection of the dead, and the eternal judgement that will follow it,
confident in the provision of God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Beyond this foundation lies the most awesome mystery of God. That He would
desire to take men and conform them totally to His image by causing them to
grow up in all things into Jesus. That He would walk with us, being in us and
upon us, to manifest His Kingdom and be Light to a World bound in darkness.
God desires for us to reign on His behalf over all things in this earth. We are
the ones He has decided to bring all things under the feet of Jesus through.
He has predestined us to prosper in all things. God doesn't want His children to
be in poverty, He wants us to Seek His Kingdom, and promises us that ALL other
things we need or could want will be added to THAT. Who wouldn't like to be able
to meet the needs of all those around them easily? Well that is His plan for you
and I. He wants to be able to bless us till we cannot contain it. Then we will
be able to take care of the widdows and orphans, there will be no poor, we will
have met their need and taught them about of Wonderful Father and His Son, and
that He wants to so prosper them that they can meet others needs. Immagine
living everyday like Jesus did, spending all your time with God, and doing His
works, having all your needs taken care of by Him, healing the sick, opening
blind eyes and deaf ears, raising the dead. Giving grieving parents their little
child back to them alive, and telling them about God your Father and His Son,
who is the Resurrection and the Life. This is your calling. Awake to It. Grab it
with your faith and don't let it go. Nurture the image of it in your heart,
confess that it is for you. Start acting like it is so, and stop acting like
mere men. Fix your desires on it, and not the distractions of the World. Set
your heart on it, move on into it, and never look back. God has called you
CONT
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#439220 May 9, 2013
CONT
Heavenward in Christ Jesus, He has called you to a higher life, to a life above
the things of this earth. You and I are destined to walk in the works He has
forordained for us He has made all the provision, all He asks of us is that we
make the commitment, and exert ourselves toward that goal. He will move Heaven
and Earth to see His will accomplished in our lives if that is what it takes.
We have been promised that His Word will not return to Him void, but will
accomplish the purpose for which He sent it. We have been given the Holy Spirit
as our Constant Companion of Encouragement, Wisdom, and Counsel, to teach us.
And Jesus ever lives to intercede on our behalf in Heaven, despite the fact
that we ourselves can approach God's very throne boldly to obtain His Favor.
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Dan

Omaha, NE

#439221 May 9, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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~~~ONLY JESUS THE BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD HAS THE ATTRIBUTES LISTED IN THE PROPHECY BELOW...
THE APOSTLE PETER DID NOT/DOES NOT QUALIFY
Isa 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
Isa 11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
Isa 11:3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
Isa 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
Isa 11:5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
FOR YOU TO EQUATE PETER WITH CHRIST AND ATTRIBUTE GLORY TO PETER IN THE PLACE OF JESUS IS BLASPHEMY.
~~~
FOR STARTERS ....PETER WAS NOT/IS NOT A DESCENT OF JESSE...
AND NONE OF THE REST OF THE ABOVE PROPHECY CAN BE SAID OF PETER...
THE WORDS OF JESUS ...CONCERNING PETER WAS...
Mat_16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan:
thou art an offence unto me:
for thou savourest not the things that be of God,
but those that be of men.....
~~~
Mat_26:34 Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this night, before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.
Mat_26:75 And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly.
~~~
JESUS SAID...
Luk_22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
THE HEAVENLY FATHER HAD TO REMIND PETER WHOM JESUS WAS/IS...
Luk 9:32 But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him.
Luk 9:33 And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said.
Luk 9:34 While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud.
Luk 9:35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
~~~
JESUS HERE HAD TO REMIND PETER TO "FEED HIS SHEEP.."
Joh_21:15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.
Joh_21:16 He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
Joh_21:17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
___
So, if I follow you here (difficult), your position is that despite Christ's statement in Matt. 16:19, no one on Earth (not Peter nor any of the Apostles) has ever had the power to bind and loose. By extension, the rest of Matt. goes away as well, and no one on Earth ever received Christ's ministerial authority.

Did I read you correctly?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#439222 May 9, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Actually the same could be said for the other sacraments you folks reject. Why is that such a revelation to you?
Right.

"I reject the sacraments. It's a lie from Hell for anyone to point out that I don't receive sacramental graces, despite the fact that it was me who rejected the sacraments to begin with."
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#439223 May 9, 2013
LTM wrote:
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I am a woman of faith in a never failing God June.
Are you desperate to convince me, or your self?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#439224 May 9, 2013
Clay wrote:
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I believe he does. However, its very difficult to keep track of what they all believe.
We've been back and forth all day about auricular confession vs. private confession, so if he believes in private confession, he's probably not OSAS.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#439225 May 9, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Until I agree with you, you mean.
No, thanks.
I prefer to place my salvation in the hands of a teacher with actual ministerial authority from Christ, not someone who appoints him/herself as one.
If you place your salvation in the hands of a teacher with actual ministerial authority from Christ will you be saved? Of course not. The Bible tells us only Jesus saves.

Acts 4:11-12, 11 "This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. 12 And there is SALVATION IN NO ONE ELSE, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."
Human Being

Roanoke, LA

#439226 May 9, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
To imply that Jehovah needed a new testament, is to imply that he didn't know the whole story concerning the future of the Jews.
It also implies that Catholics were needed to extend on the story and take it off in a new direction away from Judaism.
Catholics tried to steal the one and only god from over the head of the Jews and make over the god in their own image.
That behavior wasn't at all nice, but then theologians were notorious for not being nice.
June VanDerMark:

Who is the true Jew?

One that observes rituals, or one of the heart?

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#439227 May 9, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Discrediting the authority given to St. Peter by Christ and demeaning him only makes you look small confrinting.
~~~

WHATS WRONG

CAN'T YOU STAND THE TRUTH ABOUT YOUR SELF APPOINTED god...?

PETER DOES NOT/DID NOT .... QUALIFY AS A GOD...

NO CORRUPTIBLE MAN DOES.
Human Being

Roanoke, LA

#439228 May 9, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
Back then there were Muslim-Jews. Now the Muslims and Jews don't relate to each other as being from the same "tree."
So many branches all claiming to own truth ... when the main tree should give the same nutrients to ALL.
June VanDerMark:

Jews, Muslims, and Christians have lived in peace for hundereds of years, until, WWI, when the beginning of secular governments were imposed by the victors in the Middle East.(The "Allies")

Modern animosity began with a secularizing U.S., usurping Iran in 1953 and the tensions have increased since that time.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#439229 May 9, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Why do born agains bother confessing their sins, when they are already forgiven? You can't lose your salvation, right? Is it a symbolic gesture for you to ask for forgiveness? How can God forgive a sin when its already washed away in OSAS?
You said, quote, "Why do born agains bother confessing their sins, when they are already forgiven?" End quote.

The Bible tells us......

I John 1:9, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

Why do Roman Catholics confess their sins to a priest? Did the priest pay the price required as payment for the forgiveness of their sins with his death? Hebrews 9:22, "Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins."

I John 2:1-2, 1 "My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous." 2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world."

You said, quote, "How can God forgive a sin when its already washed away in OSAS?" End quote.

Your ignorance is showing again. You know so little and act as though you know so much. Your best bet would be a closed mouth an open mind and a cleansed heart.

What does "eternal security for Christians" mean? It means that when a person gets saved, he's saved forever. When a person becomes a Christian, when he's truly born again, he can never, ever be lost. He can never under any circumstances lose his salvation--that it is impossible for a saved person to become an unsaved person. "Once saved, always saved." All who are actually born again of the Spirit of God through faith in the saving work of Christ are eternally secure in Him, and can rest assured in it.
Human Being

Roanoke, LA

#439230 May 9, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
Man from a Far Country—A portrait of Pope John Paul II, by Mary Craig ……….
Indeed he understood those who denied that there was a God. He had, as many of the fathers had not, first-hand experience with atheism and numbered many unbelievers among his friends. Like Pope John, he preferred to look for the common ground between them, believing that the church must take man as he is.
It is not the role of the Church to flourish its authority in the face of unbelievers. We and all our fellow men are engaged in a search….let us avoid all moralizing and all suggestion that the Church has a monopoly of truth. One of the major defects of the draft is that in it, the Church appears to be an authoritarian institution.
June VanDerMark:

Having had to deal on a personal level with atheist German Nazi, and Russian Communists in his own country, John Paul II, was both hated and admired by them.

And this is the weakness of the atheist position, they can't make up their minds!
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#439231 May 9, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Who's June? Does she post on here?
:-)
You were talking about the Sacrament of Confession. I asked if you guys bother confessing your sins at all.
Its not like I stepped in and brought up the Papacy. What I said was pertinent to the discussion.
The "sacrament of confession". LOL LOL

Since: Nov 08

usa

#439232 May 9, 2013
Dan wrote:
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You denied the existence of the text of James 5:16.
You stated that nowhere in scripture does it say to confess to another.
When presented with James 5:16, you simply restated your denial.
i never denied james,it proves my point so why would i deny it,it states pray for each other,so that means you must pray to god,and timothy says the same thing,so that invalidates the catholic church tradition of the confession to a priest,it is a waste of time,you must pray to jesus/god to be absolutely absolved of your sin,no matter what it is.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#439233 May 9, 2013
Dan wrote:
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You denied the existence of the text of James 5:16.
You stated that nowhere in scripture does it say to confess to another.
When presented with James 5:16, you simply restated your denial.
further more i really don't know much of the book of James because it does not come up that often.but again 5:16 proves my point.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#439234 May 9, 2013
OldJG wrote:
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If you place your salvation in the hands of a teacher with actual ministerial authority from Christ will you be saved? Of course not. The Bible tells us only Jesus saves.
Acts 4:11-12, 11 "This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. 12 And there is SALVATION IN NO ONE ELSE, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."
Of course, inference is a foreign concept to the protestant.

Salvation is through Christ. To learn His message, I can listen to one with His ministerial authority, or I can listen to someone who claims that authority unto himself.

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