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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 653877 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Michael

Canada

#439085 May 9, 2013
Dan wrote:
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You were wrong. Not the rest of the world. Just you.
Find me a wire service report where he calls them old maids vs. telling them not to act like old maids and we'll talk.
Long before Jesus;

..... When Osiris is said to bring his believers eternal life in Egyptian Heaven, contemplating the unutterable, indescribable glory of God, we understand that as a myth.

.....When the sacred rites of Demeter at Eleusis are described as bringing believers happiness in their eternal life, we understand that as a myth.

When Jesus tells these stories 1,000 years later, christians believe them.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#439086 May 9, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Thank you. I accept your explanation.
I don't make "friends" on forums ... because I want to be true to only my own ways of perceiving ... and as my history proves, since I came on the forum, I changed from being under the spell of theological dogmas, to getting out from under their spells, to in turn do my own thinking. And I don't believe I am any the worse off for it.
I don't know if i should use the word "friend" but there are people on here that have different views than i do,but we get along when posting our differences,and also they always wish me well with my battle with cancer,not sure if you know i had it? but i do,since 2006,i had diverticulitis that wouldn't go away so they decided to operate,when they did a ct scan i got a call as soon as i got home and was told to get back to the hospital asap,I did and they told me the scan shows a whole in my large intestine,they operated and found a large tumor that unfortunately broke open,i've had 3 tumors so far the second was removed by operation,the 3rd was killed by radiation,but it is attached to my kidney so it can not be removed, i have a stent in my kidney because the tumor stops it from emptying out completely,i get operated on every 3 months to replace the stent because it gets calcifies an clogs up,i consider myself lucky i should of died a little over a year ago,but they have come up with a chemo treatment that is pill form, i take it 10 days stop,get blood test,then go back on it,it has been a success for me plus the fact that i refuse to let this kill me,i am determined to die an old man like it should be.getting back to the point even though we may share the same views here an there,i just like how you handle yourself when unnecessarily attacked with meanness because you disagree with a post,you stay cool and reply in a friendly type manner,no hostility.
Michael

Canada

#439087 May 9, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm OK with the Pope not having called a bunch of nuns old maids.
You can run out your de facto "Godwin's Law" argument out somewhere else with someone else. We've discussed it and you only bring it up when your original "argument" gets its balloon popped.
YUP! and thousands of priests never buggered our children, and the rest of the clergy who didn't lied and covered up for those who did and YOUR OK with that too are you?

Everytime you put $1 on the collection plate a portion of that money helps pay the defense for every priest accused and charged with sexually molesting our children.

Isn't time catholics pulled their heads out of the sand and questioned their own church leaders of all the wrongdoings? Nope they are afraid.

UNBELIEVABLE!

Michael

Canada

#439088 May 9, 2013

.....Pope Francis Tells Nuns: Don’t Be Old Maids
May. 8, 2013 6:55am

VATICAN CITY (TheBlaze/AP)— Pope Francis has told nuns from around the world that they must be spiritual mothers and not “old maids.”

http://kpho.membercenter.worldnow.com/story/2...
Dan

Omaha, NE

#439089 May 9, 2013
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
YUP! and thousands of priests never buggered our children, and the rest of the clergy who didn't lied and covered up for those who did and YOUR OK with that too are you?
Everytime you put $1 on the collection plate a portion of that money helps pay the defense for every priest accused and charged with sexually molesting our children.
Isn't time catholics pulled their heads out of the sand and questioned their own church leaders of all the wrongdoings? Nope they are afraid.
UNBELIEVABLE!
Your "outrage" would carry a bit more weight of you didn't spend so much time throwing out ridiculous claims such as earlier today.

Your doing so, constantly, renders your teeth-gnashing here as somewhat less than sincere.
Michael

Canada

#439090 May 9, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm OK with the Pope not having called a bunch of nuns old maids.
You can run out your de facto "Godwin's Law" argument out somewhere else with someone else. We've discussed it and you only bring it up when your original "argument" gets its balloon popped.
http://kpho.membercenter.worldnow.com/story/2...

http://townhall.com/news/world/2013/05/08/pop...



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Michael

Canada

#439091 May 9, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Preachers of religion are all mortal humans "posing" as servants of one or another god.
all of them making their livelyhoods by peddling their gods.

Making money off of God. Preachers/clergy, selling medals, pictures, rosaries...

They are all money makers.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#439092 May 9, 2013
who="Dan"
Your minister cannot claim that and I hope he does not.
Christ said that the priest has this authority (Matt. 16:19).
Buddy.

**********
Mat 16:13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his discipleS (plural), saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
Mat 16:14 And THEY said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
Mat 16:15 He saith unto THEM, But whom say ye that I am?
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter (PETROS...A PIECE OF ROCK), and upon this rock (PETRA...A MASS OF ROCK...PETER SAID TO THE CHRISTIANS, "YOU ARE LIVELY STONES") I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Jesus was speaking to all of the disciples. The ROCK of which He spoke was the revelation of Himself by the Holy Spirit.

Peter himself defines the church as lively stones...all of them pieces of the building (I Pet. 2:5)...a spiritual house (church). In verses 6-8 Peter makes it plain that JESUS is THE ROCK.

Jesus gave the authority to the eleven disciples to fulfill the Great Commission:

Mat 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
Mat 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto THEM, saying, ALL power is given unto ME in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

NO MAN is God on the earth.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#439093 May 9, 2013
Michael wrote:
.....Pope Francis Tells Nuns: Don’t Be Old Maids
May. 8, 2013 6:55am
VATICAN CITY (TheBlaze/AP)— Pope Francis has told nuns from around the world that they must be spiritual mothers and not “old maids.”
http://kpho.membercenter.worldnow.com/story/2...
Yes, Michael.

For the what, 5th time we see a wire report where the Pope (still) does not call the nuns old maids.

You were wrong. That's fine. No need to keep pointing it out.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#439094 May 9, 2013
958
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, I wanted some Beam after reading the post-
You:
Jas 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.("That ye may be healed" speaks of a physical healing of an illness....sins are forgiven...not healed)"
It was the "physical healing of an illness" as a result of the preceding prayer that got me to "faith healing", Ox.
In common usage, faith healing refers to notably overt and ritualistic practices of communal prayer and gestures (such as laying on of hands) that are claimed to solicit divine intervention in initiating spiritual and literal healing.

Show me these words in my post "gestures" "laying on of hands".....
Dan

Omaha, NE

#439095 May 9, 2013
Michael wrote:
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http://kpho.membercenter.worldnow.com/story/2...
http://townhall.com/news/world/2013/05/08/pop...
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Where's the one I asked for?

Where he calls them old maids?

None of these tell us that.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#439096 May 9, 2013
Michael wrote:
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http://kpho.membercenter.worldnow.com/story/2...
http://townhall.com/news/world/2013/05/08/pop...
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Michael-

Don't be a bad driver.

Did I just call you a bad driver?

You DO speak English, yes?

Any other Canadians on the board here want to help Michael out?

Michael

Canada

#439097 May 9, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Your "outrage" would carry a bit more weight of you didn't spend so much time throwing out ridiculous claims such as earlier today.
Your doing so, constantly, renders your teeth-gnashing here as somewhat less than sincere.
what claims earlier today? About the sex abusive clergy and the ones who lied and covered them up? About the money laundering scandal in the vatican bank. The radical feminist nuns who do more physical work than any priest I ever saw.

I remember in grade school the two nuns shovelling snow in front of the churh while the two priests were inside probably watching Jerry Springer.

Nuns are the backbone of the church, they are going the way of the doh doh bird.......sad.

How you can tell the catholic church is in trouble is when the most conservative of catholic men and women hardly ever today answer the calling to the priest/sisterhood. Remember these are the most dedicated catholics and with all the shite going on in the church with lies and deceit, I can't blame anyone of them.

Michael

Canada

#439098 May 9, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Where's the one I asked for?
Where he calls them old maids?
None of these tell us that.
Everyone of them tells you that. Or are you saying that its just a coincidence that thousands of news services around the world just happen to put the words old maids or spinsters in their news stories right beside Pope Francis name...



..........thanks for reading my posts

Since: Nov 08

usa

#439099 May 9, 2013
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes both, and the healing came through Jesus not the minister to be clear.
thanks for replying,according to the book of rules you did it correctly,(if god exists)god/jesus heard your confession.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#439100 May 9, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Dan"
Your minister cannot claim that and I hope he does not.
Christ said that the priest has this authority (Matt. 16:19).
Buddy.
**********
Mat 16:13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his discipleS (plural), saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
Mat 16:14 And THEY said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
Mat 16:15 He saith unto THEM, But whom say ye that I am?
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter (PETROS...A PIECE OF ROCK), and upon this rock (PETRA...A MASS OF ROCK...PETER SAID TO THE CHRISTIANS, "YOU ARE LIVELY STONES") I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Jesus was speaking to all of the disciples. The ROCK of which He spoke was the revelation of Himself by the Holy Spirit.
Peter himself defines the church as lively stones...all of them pieces of the building (I Pet. 2:5)...a spiritual house (church). In verses 6-8 Peter makes it plain that JESUS is THE ROCK.
Jesus gave the authority to the eleven disciples to fulfill the Great Commission:
Mat 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
Mat 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto THEM, saying, ALL power is given unto ME in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
NO MAN is God on the earth.
Catholic priests have apostolic authority (via ordination) as conferred by Christ in the above passages.

Maybe that's why you're having difficulty here.

Without that authority, no man could teach the Gospels authoritatively. We believe the scriptures where Christ ensured that His message will be taught with His authority until His return.

If I understand correctly, your sect does not believe that Christ's ministerial authority on Earth survived past the death of the last apostle.
Michael

Canada

#439101 May 9, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Where's the one I asked for?
Where he calls them old maids?
None of these tell us that.
Are you saying Dan that it is correct to refer to the nuns around the world to "not be old maids" You would say that to a nun?

Would you be OK if a neighbor said that to your wife?

2010 the roman catholic bishops conference in Florida indicated that today around america about only 1 in 4 roman catholics actually goes to mandatory sunday mass weekly. 50 years ago those numbers were reveresed.

Imagine a large corporation and only 25% of the workers came to work when required.

The catholic church has already lost western europe. America/Canada are next. Today 1/3rd of all roman catholics in america are Latino. Where are all the western european catholics that once almost totally dominated the catholic landscape in america?

Dan

Omaha, NE

#439102 May 9, 2013
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
Everyone of them tells you that. Or are you saying that its just a coincidence that thousands of news services around the world just happen to put the words old maids or spinsters in their news stories right beside Pope Francis name...
..........thanks for reading my posts
None say that he called them old maids.

All say that he told them not to be old maids.

Thousands of news services around the world reported that he told them not to be old maids.

No news services around the world have reported that he called them old maids. Just the UNBELIEVABLE news reporting you provide related that.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#439103 May 9, 2013
043
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
One more time.
As He promised, Jesus forgives the sin.
As He promised in Matt. 16:19, the priest gives absolution and the penalty for the sin is removed.
You don't believe your own NABre pope approved Bible!!!! So, tell me.....what is the source of your "wisdom"????!!!

Quote: Whatever you bind…loosed in heaven: there are many instances in rabbinic literature of the binding-loosing imagery. Of the several meanings given there to the metaphor, two are of special importance here: the giving of authoritative teaching, and the lifting or imposing of the ban of excommunication. It is disputed whether the image of the keys and that of binding and loosing are different metaphors meaning the same thing. In any case, the promise of the keys is given to Peter alone.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#439104 May 9, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
They all say confess to one another....something you said couldn't be true.
and i am correct you can confess, apologize to whom you sinned against but if you do not go to church and confess that same sin,you will not be forgiven for it by god/jesus. As i posted, your book of rules tells you that.

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