Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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The Second Ecumenical Council. was convened in the year 381, in the city of Constantinople, under the Emperor Theodosius I. This council was CALLED BY EMPERORS GRATIAN AND THEODOSIUS I. 150 Bishops were present. THE COUNCIL DID NOT INCLUDE WESTERN BISHOPS OR ROMAN LEGATES, But it was accepted as ecumenical in the west.
the Consubstantiality of the Holy Spirit with the Father and the Son,
The Council also supplemented the Nicene Creed, or "Symbol of Faith,"
with five Articles in which is set forth its teaching
about the Holy Spirit,
about the Church,
about the Mysteries,
about the resurrection of the dead, and the life in the world to come.
Thus they composed the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed
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The Third Ecumenical Council. was convened in the year 431 A.D., in the city of Ephesus, under Emperor Theodosius II. 200 Bishops were present
THE POPE SENT TWO BISHOPS, ARCADIUS AND PROJECTUS, TO REPRESENT HIMSELF AND HIS ROMAN COUNCIL, AND THE ROMAN PRIEST, PHILIP, AS HIS PERSONAL REPRESENTATIVE. Philip, therefore, takes the first place, though, not being a bishop, he could not preside. It was probably a matter of course that the Patriarch of Alexandria should be president. THE LEGATES WERE DIRECTED NOT TO TAKE PART IN THE DISCUSSIONS, BUT TO GIVE JUDGMENT ON THEM.IT SEEMS THAT CHALCEDON, TWENTY YEARS LATER, SET THE PRECEDENT THAT THE PAPAL LEGATES SHOULD ALWAYS BE TECHNICALLY PRESIDENTS AT AN ECUMENICAL COUNCIL, AND THIS WAS HENCEFORTH LOOKED UPON AS A MATTER OF COURSE,
ONE SHOULD CONFESS JESUS CHRIST AS TRUE GOD AND TRUE MAN-

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The Fourth Ecumenical Council. was convened in 451 A.D., in the city of Chalcedon near Constantinople. THE EMPEROR GENERAL MARCIAN and a reluctant POPE LEO I THE GREAT assembled one hundred and fifty Bishops. More than 500 bishops attended — the largest church council gathering to that time. ALL DELEGATES WERE FROM THE EASTERN CHURCH, EXCEPT THE FEW PAPAL REPRESENTATIVES FROM ROME AND TWO FROM AFRICA

defined the true teaching of the Church:
our Lord Jesus Christ is perfect God, and as God
He is eternally born from God.
As man, He was born of the Holy Virgin and in every way is like us, except in sin.
Through the incarnation, birth from the Holy Virgin, divinity and humanity are united in Him as a single Person, infused and immutable, indivisible and inseparable, Christ has two complete natures: the divine and the human These two natures function without confusion, are not divided nor separate (against Nestorius), and at no time did they undergo any change
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THE FIFTH ECUMENICAL COUNCIL. was convened in 553 A.D., in the city of Constantinople, under the famous Emperor, Justinian I. It was called to quell a controversy between Nestorians and Eutychians. The Council was attended by 165 bishops ALL BUT ELEVEN BISHOPS CAME FROM THE EAST..
confirmed Church's teaching regarding the two natures of Christ (human and divine)
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The Sixth Ecumenical Council. was convened in the year 680 A.D., in the city of Constantinople, under the Emperor Constantine IV, and was composed of 170 bishops The Pope was represented (as was normal at eastern ecumenical councils) by a few priests and bishops.
affirmed that since Christ was true man and true God, He must have two wills: a human will and a divine will.

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Christian:
A name given at Antioch to those who believed Jesus to be the Messiah, A. D. 42, Ac 11:26 It seems to have been given to them by the men of Antioch as a term of convenience rather than of ridicule, to designate the new sect more perfectly than any other word could do. They generally called each other "brethren," "the faithful," "saints," "believers;" and were named by the Gentiles, Nazarenes and Galileans. He only is a real Christian who heartily accepts Christ as his teacher, guide, and master, the source of his highest life, strength, and joy, his only Redeemer from sin and hell, his Lord and his God. They who rightly bear Christ's name and partake of his nature, and they only, shall finally share in his glory.
All of those words such as "brethren," "faithful," "family," "saint," "martyr," "salvation," "holy," etc.... were/are just phrases to lure people into the cults. Each cult had and has their own self-serving terminology to fool people into the idea that "If you join MY group, I have the best offering in the "universe," as it is the only one that will guarantee eternal bliss in the afterlife. All others are false and MINE is real."

That is an old story ... but it still has its "charm" ... for the gullible.
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an·ti·och

1.A city in southern Turkey near the Syrian border, it was the ancient capital of Syria; pop. 123,871.
2.A city in ancient Phrygia.

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Catholic Cardinal and theologian Yves Congar stated

"The East never accepted the regular jurisdiction of Rome, nor did it submit to the judgment of Western bishops. Its appeals to Rome for help were not connected with a recognition of the principle of Roman jurisdiction but were based on the view that Rome had the same truth, the same good. The East jealously protected its autonomous way of life. Rome intervened to safeguard the observation of legal rules, to maintain the orthodoxy of faith and to ensure communion between the two parts of the church, the Roman see representing and personifying the West...In according Rome a ‘primacy of honour’, the East avoided basing this primacy on the succession and the still living presence of the apostle Peter. A modus vivendi was achieved which lasted, albeit with crises, down to the middle of the eleventh century."

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synagogue: sunagoge, an assemblage of persons; specially, a Jewish "synagogue" (the meeting or the place); by analogy, a Christian church:--assembly, congregation, synagogue.
Jews assemble in synagogues

Christians assemble in churches

Had Jesus lived, he would have encouraged the building of more synagogues ... NOT Christian churches.
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do you liked potato ota; top
you have there on boder line
1 as leader as well 8 as follower
much more not 29 you have 30..make sure you need count..
do you realize what you want..

''- moje tijelo bilo modro i bicevano
poslije toga optuzise me pokvareni svijedoci
i osudise me pokvareni sudci..''

U mojoj molitvi prikazujem se sjedinjena sa Isusovim ranama i molim za cijeli svijet kojem je potrebno najvise Milosrde..budi milostiv svakoj dusi koja se nalazi u mukama i patnji..

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The first Christians were as "cagey" as the Jews that came before them. They all wanted people to follow their scams, and their terminology was created to attract those who might otherwise pass by without entering.

For instance, the word Catholic meant universal, as in the whole danged universe. The group of ex-Jews latched on to that word that previously was not attached to a religion, and they morphed the word into their own religion as though a god had placed it there for them.

And then they bragged that the word Catholic meant and means UNIVERSAL.

Fortune tellers abounded and flourished, as one theologian after the other bragged of knowing the divine path to utopia.
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I was thinking about Lake Vermillion this year but I seriously doubt the ice will be off. Looks like its Clam Lake over in Wisconsin now. I think this May will be phenomenal for walleye and especially Crappie because nobody fished in April. I dunno.*fingers crossed*
We'll be on the east side of Vermilion the weekend after opener. Clam lake area is nice, used to drive through on the way to my base in the UP. Yes, I've heard the late spawn is going to make things quite interesting. Keep your fingers crossed!

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To claim that one's own religion ought to be "universal" assumes more territory than just the world. It assumes that if there just happens to be other forms of life out there in other galaxies, if they don't follow the Catholic religion of earth, they also won't be saved.

That is a whole lot of presumption on the part of ANY leaders of cults.

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The ex-Catholic Protestants protested that the Catholic church was NOT universal. Protestants also wanted and want their pie to be the whole one and only one.

These people in individual cults aren't prone to sharing pieces of the pie. They want the WHOLE pie in the sky for their most HOLY selves.

If there is a creator, the greed of believers must be evident TO the creator. If not ... the creator has no brains whatsoever.

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I'm quite sure that if there is a creator, it will understand why I left the cults of religion behind and decided to trust my own judgment.

Theologians, with their solitary stories of "I know the truth and you other theologians are liars" were giving me the heebie-jeebies.

I trust that if I perceive humans as being of the same worth as all other forms of life ... that is my best bet.

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I am quite sure that if I was a creator of life, I would create all life to be of the same value. I wouldn't say "That animal over there is my favorite ... and this animal over here is my least favorite."

That type of reasoning, or lack thereof, makes no sense whatsoever.

Humans told the stories of gods that supposedly inspired them to write such nonsense as humans having dominion over all the animals of earth.

I suggest that flamboyant story is based on utter nonsense.

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The way humans fight over who has the correct theology ... if I were a creator, I'd send them all to bed without supper.

"You go to your room, and YOU over there ... you go to your room ... and I want all of you to contemplate about what the word unity actually means."

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If religion didn't exist, we would not be able to look at one group and say "They are Muslims," or "They are Jews," or "They are Hindus." We would say, "They are humans. Just like me they are struggling to make sense of a world with so much emotional and physical turmoil. I will try to understand them, so that I can better understand myself."

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To say that a person is evil is an eradication of having to think about it.

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I do know that a therapist who was a woman made the following quote on a television program. I copied the quote but I didn't have the presence of mind to copy her name. Oh well ... I now try to make sure I get the names of those who write the quotes, if at all possible.
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To say that a person is evil is an eradication of having to think about it.

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which animal you liked..who eat grass..then mariuhana have to be free..no prison for that..

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Words don't have specific meanings. They only mean to the individual what the individual desires they should mean.
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exor•ciser n.

Word History: An oath is to be found at the etymological heart of exorcise, a term going back to the Greek word exorkizein, meaning "to swear in," "to take an oath by," "to conjure," and "to exorcise." Exorkizein in turn is formed from the prefix ex-, "thoroughly," and the verb horkizein, "to make one swear, administer an oath to," derived from horkos, "oath." Our word exorcise is first recorded in English in a work composed possibly before the beginning of the 15th century, and in this use exorcise means "to call up or conjure spirits" rather than "to drive out spirits," a sense first recorded in 1546.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/exorcise

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As is plain in the following, the word "exorcise" was once considered honorable, as in taking an oath to be faithful.
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Brewer’s Dictionary of Phrase & Fable by Ivor H. Evans … First published 1817.

Hornbook. A thin board about nine inches long and five or six wide (with a handle) serving as backing to a leaf of vellum or sheet of paper on which was usually written (later printed) the alphabet, an exorcism, the Lord’s Prayer, and Roman numerals: the whole being covered by a thin piece of transparent horn. The handle had a hole in it so that it could be tied to a schoolchild’s girdle. Hornbooks continued to be used in England until well into the 18th century.
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Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
The Orthodox Church cannot accept the papal or institutional concept of the church for many reasons. Orthodoxy strives to remain faithful to the beliefs and practices of the ancient undivided church.
As can be seen from a study of the decisions of the seven Ecumenical Councils, the bishop of Rome did not exercise anything close to the kind of power now claimed by the pope during this crucial period of church history.
The Bishop of Rome did not attend any of these crucial Councils laying the framework of Christianity deciding such issues as- the nature of Christ, Who Christ is, the nature of the Holy Spirit, the relationship of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, whether Christ was fully man and fully divine, the Basic Creed that is the Structure of the Church etc. This is far from the role of “Vicar of Christ” or “Head of the Church”
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In 325 Emperor Constantine convened the First Ecumenical Council of the entire church. Around 220 bishops attended, mostly from the eastern churches. Only around eight officials came from western churches - Rome sent only two presbyters. The council drew up a creed, the original Nicene Creed, which received nearly unanimous support. The council's description of "god's only-begotten son", Jesus Christ, as of the same substance with God the Jather became a touchstone of Christian Trinitarianism.
The way I see it Herm, why would any group of Bishops want one of their peers to have primacy over them?? UNLESS Jesus Christ willed it and set His Church as such.
If Peter had authority over the other Apostles -and I believe scripture clearly demonstrates this - then why wouldn't the next generation also have a Peter?

** if someone were to argue that Paul publicly rebuked Peter, so therefore he couldn't have authority over him... you should understand that nothing has changed to this day. If Pope Francis strays outside of Church teachings, he would be rebuked by the other Bishops.

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