Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Regina wrote:
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I know you read what I posted from the Catechism about our reverence for Scripture. It's very rude of you not to acknowledge it and apologize for your remarks.
Scripture is the written portion of Sacred Tradition.
The Catholic Church came before the Bible.
The Bible came from the Catholic Church.
The NT was written by the Catholic Church for the Catholic Church.
It's our pleasure to allow you to read it. You're welcome.
Do try to reign in your claws and fangs. "Aretha" (lol), doesn't like it.
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Scripture is the written portion of Sacred Tradition. Lie #1 This statement is so stupid it does not warrant a response.

The Catholic Church came before the Bible. Lie #2 So the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH wrote the Bible. That will be news for the Jews.

The Bible came from the Catholic Church. Lie #3 No, the Bible came from God.

The NT was written by the Catholic Church for the Catholic Church. Lie #4.....Which of the New Testament writers claimed to be Roman Catholic?

Other than 4 lies what else do you have to offer?
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But there is one thing I want you to know: The head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
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Instead, we will speak the truth in love, growing in every way more and more like Christ, who is the head of his body, the church
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And this is the plan: At the right time he will bring everything together under the authority of Christ--everything in heaven and on earth.
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God has put all things under the authority of Christ and has made him head over all things for the benefit of the church.
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hey oxbow and oldjg;

They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.

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During the history of Christianity, the title of Vicar of Christ was used in different ways, with implications for theological, pastoral or different time.
BISHOPS AS VICARS OF CHRIST
1. The first record of the concept of the Vicar of Christ is mentioned in the Epistle to the Magnesians of St. Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch, a disciple of St. John, probably commanded by Peter,with a pastoral sense, written between the years 88 and 107 AD "your bishop presides in the place of God (...)". Although Ignatius did not explicitly use the term Vicar of Christ, he clearly sets out the concept.
2. More recently, the Second Vatican Council's Dogmatic Constitution on the Church Lumen gentium noted that bishops are "vicars and ambassadors of Christ," and the Catechism of the Catholic Church notes that each bishop governs his diocese "[a]s Christ's vicar."
HOLY SPIRIT AS VICAR OF CHRIST
The second recorded use of the term "Vicar of Christ" is found in the epistles of Tertullian in the 3rd century, with a different theological slant to refer to the Holy Spirit, that is, as Christ is not physically performing miracles in the Church, Holy Spirit acts as his Vicar on his behalf, performing miracles and preventing the Church err.[8] It is unknown whether this term was widely used in the early Church, or whether it was a personal theological observation of Tertullian.
5TH CENTURY APPLIED TO POPEGELASIUS 1
he third use of the term Vicar of Christ appears in the 5th century, in a synod of bishops to refer to Pope Gelasius I. The theological connotations of the title got a pastoral sense, evoking the words of Christ to the Apostle Peter, regarded by the first Catholic Pope in John 21:16-17, "Feed my lambs... Feed my sheep", so Christ made Peter his vicar and pastor with the responsibility to feed his flock (i.e. the Church) in his own place

USE OF THE TITLE TO REFER TO THE POPES IN THE EARLY CHURCH WAS UNSTABLE
However, the use of the title to refer to the popes in the early Church was unstable, and several variants of the use of Vicar were used for the Pope, as "Vicar of Peter", indicating that they were the successors of St. Peter, "Vicar of the Prince of the Apostles" or "Vicar of the Apostolic See",[3] among other variants. This title is used by the Roman Missal in their prayers for a dead pope,[9] and the oath of allegiance to St. Boniface to Pope Gregory II
SINCE 1200 USED TITLE VICARFOR RIGHT APPOINT BISHOPS
Since 1200, Popes have consistently used this title Insisting that he - and he alone - had the right to remove bishops from office, Pope Innocent III appealed to the title of Vicar of Christ.(cap. "Inter corporalia", 2, "De trans. ep.")[3] Occasionally, Popes like Nicholas III used "Vicar of God" as an equivalent title)[3] The 2012 edition of the Annuario Pontificio gives "Vicar of Jesus Christ" as the second official title of the Pope (the first being "Bishop of Rome").
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Eastern Orthodox Fr. Cleenewerck states:

"Orthodox would almost like to forget that their [liturgical] calendar and theology is replete with ‘Popes of Rome’ whose teachings about their own authority is better left unmentioned."
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Orthodox Scholar Alexander Schmemann The Idea of Primacy in Orthodox Ecclesiology

"There is no doubt that an objective study of the evidence yields the conclusion that the Catholic Church believed in Universal Primacy, had an Ecumenical center of unity and agreement in Rome, and the unanimous testimony of the Fathers and Councils demonstrates this -- and to deny this is based purely on "anti-Roman prejudice"

"Finally we come to the highest and ultimate form of primacy: universal primacy. An age-long anti-Roman prejudice has led some Orthodox canonists simply to deny the existence of such primacy in the past or the need for it in the present. But an objective study of the canonical tradition cannot fail to establish beyond any doubt that, along with local 'centers of agreement' or primacies, the Church has also known a universal primacy....

"It is impossible to deny that, even before the appearance of local primacies, the Church from the first days of her existence possessed an ecumenical center of unity and agreement. In the apostolic and the Judaeo-Christian period, it was the Church of Jerusalem, and later the Church of Rome --'presiding in agape,' according to St. Ignatius of Antioch. This formula and the definition of the universal primacy contained in it have been aptly analyzed by Fr. Afanassieff and we need not repeat his argument here. Neither can we quote here all the testimonies of the Fathers and the Councils unanimously acknowledging Rome as the senior church and the center of ecumenical agreement.

"It is only for the sake of biased polemics that one can ignore these testimonies, their consensus and significance. It has happened, however, that if Roman historians and theologians have always interpreted this evidence in juridical terms, thus falsifying its real meaning, their Orthodox opponents have systematically belittled the evidence itself. Orthodox theology is still awaiting a truly Orthodox evaluation of universal primacy in the first millennium of church history -- an evaluation free from polemical or apologetic exaggerations." (Schmemann, page 163-164)

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I explained to the forum the event where Eve gave birth to both Cain and Abel and I showed you guys where it read "She again bare his brother abel" so that verse should have read thusly when you understand the word AGAIN in Hebrew..."she """CONTINUED """ in labor and bare his brother Abel. Of the two brothers that she gave birth to,Cain came out first and when she continued ( THE WORD """"AGAIN """" WAS USED HERE)in labor she then gave birth to his brother Abel. THEY WERE FRATERNAL TWINS EACH FATHERED BY A DIFFERENT MAN. Adam ( Abel ) and Satan,(Cain ).
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Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
an ecumenical council at Chalcedon could clearly recognize why Rome had the prerogatives she did, as seen in the 28th canon of Chalcedon:
Following in all things the decisions of the holy Fathers, and acknowledging the canon, which has been just read...we also do enact and decree the same things concerning the privileges of the most holy Church of Constantinople, which is New Rome. For the Fathers rightly granted privileges to the throne of old Rome, BECAUSE IT WAS THE ROYAL CITY. And the One Hundred and Fifty most religious Bishops, actuated by the same consideration, gave equal privileges to the most holy throne of New Rome, justly judging that the city which is honored with the Sovereignty and the Senate, and enjoys equal privileges with the old imperial Rome, should in ecclesiastical matters also be magnified as she is, and rank next after her.
More revisionist history from the Hermetic.

"Wherefore the most holy and blessed Leo, archbishop of the great and elder Rome, through us, and through this present most holy synod together with the thrice-blessed and all-glorious Peter the Apostle, who is the Rock and foundation of the Catholic Church, and the foundation of the orthodox faith, hath stripped him (Dioscorus, Bishop of Alexandria) of his episcopate, and hath alienated from him all hieratic worthiness." -- Acts of Chalcedon, Session 3

In the same way, upon concluding their synod, the Council fathers write to Pope Leo, saying...

You are set as an interpreter to all of the voice of blessed Peter, and to all you impart the blessings of that Faith.-- Chalcedon to Pope Leo, Ep 98

For if where two or three are gathered together in His name He has said that there He is in the midst of them, must He not have been much more particularly present with 520 priests, who preferred the spread of knowledge concerning Him ...Of whom you were Chief, as Head to the members, showing your good will.-- Chalcedon to Pope Leo (Repletum est Gaudio), November 451

Besides all this, he (Dioscorus) extended his fury even against him who had been charged with the custody of the vine by the Savior. We refer to Your Holiness.-- Chalcedon to Pope Leo, Ep 98

You have often extended your Apostolic radiance even to the Church of Constantinople.-- Chalcedon to Pope Leo, Ep 98

Knowing that every success of the children rebounds to the parents, we therefore beg you to honor our decision by your assent, and as we have yielded agreement to the Head in noble things, so may the Head also fulfill what is fitting for the children.-- Chalcedon to Pope Leo, Ep 98

So, the Council of Chalcedon clearly recognized Pope Leo as the successor of Peter and the Head of the Church. However, the Council did have one problem. One of its canons, Canon 28, had given Constantinople primacy in the East. The Canon read:

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Many people have a issue with Satan fathering a child ( Cain ) due to the fact that they think a spirit entity such as Satan is not able to father a child but that is not the case. A spirit entity can indeed father children with a human though the progeny will be a hybrid type opf entity as God has forbidden such a thing.

Understand the 6th chapter of Genesis where we are shown that SONS OF GOD saw that the daughters of men were fair and they took wives of all that they chose and children were born to them. These children were hybrids i.e GIANTS and Goliath as well as his brother were of such a union. People the things the word of God can reveal to you if only you had spiritual eyes to see.

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Tony17 wrote:
Many people have a issue with Satan fathering a child ( Cain ) due to the fact that they think a spirit entity such as Satan is not able to father a child but that is not the case. A spirit entity can indeed father children with a human though the progeny will be a hybrid type opf entity as God has forbidden such a thing.
Understand the 6th chapter of Genesis where we are shown that SONS OF GOD saw that the daughters of men were fair and they took wives of all that they chose and children were born to them. These children were hybrids i.e GIANTS and Goliath as well as his brother were of such a union. People the things the word of God can reveal to you if only you had spiritual eyes to see.
http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjva/genesis/6...
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Now this is what really happened and the part Herme conveniently left out when he said the council declared equal priviledges and it was so. Clearly authority had been exercised numerous times before as Constanople tried to usurp authority it never had.

"...we do also enact and decree the same things concerning the privileges of the most holy Church of Constantinople, which is New Rome. For the Fathers rightly granted privileges to the throne of old Rome, because it was the royal city. And the one hundred fifty most religious Bishops gave equal privileges to the most holy throne of New Rome, justly judging that the city is honored with the Sovereignty and the Senate and enjoys equal privileges with the old imperial Rome...." (Canon 28, Chalcedon)

However, Pope Leo refused to agree to this canon; and employing a kind of "line item veto," ordered it struck from the Council documents. In this, Bishop Anatolius of Constantinople writes to Pope Leo, apologizing and explaining how the canon came to be, saying ...

As for those things which the universal Council of Chalcedon recently ordained in favor of the church of Constantinople, let Your Holiness be sure that there was no fault in me, who from my youth have always loved peace and quiet, keeping myself in humility. It was the most reverend clergy of the church of Constantinople who were eager about it, and they were equally supported by the most reverend priests of those parts, who agreed about it. Even so, the whole force of confirmation of the acts was reserved for the authority of Your Blessedness. Therefore, let Your Holiness know for certain that I did nothing to further the matter, knowing always that I held myself bound to avoid the lusts of pride and covetousness.-- Patriarch Anatolius of Constantinople to Pope Leo, Ep 132 (on the subject of canon 28 of Chalcedon).

So, the matter was settled; and, for the next 6 centuries, all Eastern churches speak of only 27 canons of Chalcedon -- the 28th Canon being rendered null and void by Rome's "line item veto." This is supported by all the Greek historians, such as Theodore the Lector (writing in 551 AD), John Skolastikas (writing in 550 AD), Dionysius Exegius (also around 550 AD); and by Roman Popes like Pope St. Gelasius (c. 495) and Pope Symmachus (c. 500)-- all of whom speak of only 27 Canons of Chalcedon.

http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/a35.htm

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And allow me to warn you good people about something that is soon to occur, those of you that are sleeping in bliss (IGNORANCE). Satan and his fallen angels are soon to be kicked out of heaven and they're coming right here to good old terra firma,earth. They will look just like a regular human being and you won't be able to tell who they are if you have """"" eyes wide shut"""" spiritually speaking. They will again be trying to take humans in marriage just as they did in Noah's day. Christ foretold us that just as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the last days.

That time is fast approaching. You guys that call yourselves Christians had best wake up and stop with the deceptive fairy tales that are coming from the so called church.

You people have been lied to about a whole lot from the very pulpit that are supposed to be the guardians of the truth of the word of God.

The so called church have failed miserably in spreading THE TRUTH. But they have been very successful in spreading the deception that Satan intended to accomplish. From the very puplits that call themselves churches of God.
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koliko rogova
toliko stogova
koliko batra
tolika vatra
koloko cackalica
toliko plackalica
koliko kolica
toliko lica
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he not forget his tears..
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pred veliku Gospodu
nenose se cackalice

napad se nepriprema u zimu
veliki hitler je zbog tog izgubio rat

nije isto zamrznuce
kao sto je budjenje

ljudi imaju dva doba
musko i zensko=male and female
a zemlja cetri godisnja doba
zima proljece ljeto i jesen
sat o'clock have 60 second
60 minute
24 hour
altogether 144
Jesus have 144 000
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The Orthodox Church cannot accept the papal or institutional concept of the church for many reasons. Orthodoxy strives to remain faithful to the beliefs and practices of the ancient undivided church.
As can be seen from a study of the decisions of the seven Ecumenical Councils, the bishop of Rome did not exercise anything close to the kind of power now claimed by the pope during this crucial period of church history.
The Bishop of Rome did not attend any of these crucial Councils laying the framework of Christianity deciding such issues as- the nature of Christ, Who Christ is, the nature of the Holy Spirit, the relationship of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, whether Christ was fully man and fully divine, the Basic Creed that is the Structure of the Church etc. This is far from the role of “Vicar of Christ” or “Head of the Church”
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In 325 Emperor Constantine convened the First Ecumenical Council of the entire church. Around 220 bishops attended, mostly from the eastern churches. Only around eight officials came from western churches - Rome sent only two presbyters. The council drew up a creed, the original Nicene Creed, which received nearly unanimous support. The council's description of "god's only-begotten son", Jesus Christ, as of the same substance with God the Jather became a touchstone of Christian Trinitarianism.

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