Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#437767 May 4, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Work day for me. Bad weather is good for business! But I'm still going fishing in two weeks, ice should be out by then....;)
I was thinking about Lake Vermillion this year but I seriously doubt the ice will be off. Looks like its Clam Lake over in Wisconsin now. I think this May will be phenomenal for walleye and especially Crappie because nobody fished in April. I dunno.*fingers crossed*

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#437768 May 4, 2013
The popes demanded full control over other people's thinking. You will see from the pope's words of that era that Quietism would have rendered Catholic dogma as "useless."
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CatholicCulture.Org

QUIETISM

General name for any view of spiritual life that minimizes human activity and moral responsibility. But more properly it refers to the theories of Miguel de Molinos (c. 1640-97) and François Fénelon (1651-1715), Archbishop of Cambrai. Its basic position is that, to become perfect, one must be totally passive, annihilate one's will and so totally abandon oneself to God that one cares for neither heaven nor hell. In prayer, the perfect soul make no acts of love or petition, nor even of adoration. Such total passivity makes mortification or the sacaraments useless. Sin becomes impossible to perfect souls. Quietism was condemned in the person of Molinos by Pope Innocent XI in 1687, and Fénelon by Innocent XII in1691.(Etym. Latin quietus, quiet, at rest, peaceful.)

http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/librar ...

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#437769 May 4, 2013
who="Clay"
The Jehovah's Witness are about a hundred yrs old. I don't think Christ was referring to them.
Come to think of it, how old is the Pentecostal movement?

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At least as old as the day of Pentecost. It started in the Upper Room in Jerusalem.

KayMarie

Since: Dec 11

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#437770 May 4, 2013
IN THE EARLY FOURTH CENTURY, A THEOLOGICAL CONTROVERSY BROKE OUT THAT THREATENED TO DERAIL THE CHRISTIAN FAITH. ARIUS taught that the Son of God had a beginning and was a created being. The controversy threatened deeply to divide the Christian Church, and in so doing to imperil the unity of the Roman Empire.

EMPEROR CONSTANTINE convened an ecumenical council of the entire Church. AROUND 220 BISHOPS ATTENDED, MOSTLY FROM THE EASTERN CHURCHES. ONLY AROUND EIGHT OFFICIALS CAME FROM WESTERN CHURCHES - ROME SENT ONLY TWO PRESBYTERS.

DEFENDERS OF ORTHODOXY
Primary Defender of the Faith Athanasius (Alexandria, Egypt) Other Defenders: Nicholas Bishop of Myra (Demre, part of modern-day Turkey in Lycia) ST. Alexander (St. Alexander, Bishop of Alexandria, Egypt) ALL FROM THE EAST

THE COUNCIL DREW UP A CREED, THE ORIGINAL NICENE CREED, which received nearly unanimous support. THE COUNCIL'S DESCRIPTION OF "GOD'S ONLY-BEGOTTEN SON", JESUS CHRIST, AS OF THE SAME SUBSTANCE WITH GOD THE FATHER became a touchstone of Christian Trinitarianism.

ATHANASIUS WAS NOT ALLOWED TO SIT IN ON THE COUNCIL EITHER SINCE HE WAS ONLY A DEACON. YET, CLEARLY IT WAS ATHANASIUS WHO DID THE LEGWORK AND CONCLUDED (AS BISHOP ALEXANDER CONVEYED IN THE TRINITARIAN DEFENSE) THAT THE SON WAS OF THE SAME ESSENCE (HOMOOUSIOS) THAN THE FATHER AND WAS GENERATED FROM THAT ESSENCE OF THE FATHER

When the council convened, those in the Arian camp spoke their side. Since Arius was not a bishop but merely a presbyter, he was not allowed to sit in on the meetings. The Arian view was presented by Eusebius of Nicodemia, who was quite confident that once the Arian view was clearly and logically stated, the Council would overwhelmingly vote for them. They stated how the Son was created out of nothing from the Father and different in nature and essence from the Father (heteroousious). Yet, their reaction to this was not off acceptance, but considered blasphemous. Gonzalez states that,“Eusebius was shouted down,... his speech snatched from his hand, torn to shreds, and trampled underfoot.”[20]

THE COUNCIL DECIDED OVERWHELMINGLY IN FAVOR OF ATHANASIUS, THUS SECURING FOR ORTHODOXY THE VIEW OF BOTH THE NATURE AND SUBSTANCE OF CHRIST — OF THE SAME ESSENCE AS THE FATHER, YET A DISTINCT PERSON IN THE GODHEAD.

Although he presided over the council, it is an exaggeration to claim that Constantine controlled the direction of the Council of Nicea,

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#437771 May 4, 2013
So you see, the Catholic-theologians, as did the other ancient theologians, NEEDED the dogma of sin in order that the theologians were in turn needed as mediums to cleanse the sin ... so that the souls would be ready for the upcoming promise of eternal bliss.

Religion was and is a con-job.

If there just happens to BE a creator, you should be able to go direct TO that creator without any religious dogma or ritual-performances necessary whatsoever.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#437772 May 4, 2013
who="June VanDerMark"
Anything other than what the popes ordained was not allowed as reading material was banned such as the following book.
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How many of the readers have ever heard of a group of people that practiced “Quietism?”
Michael Milinos was born in 1628, and later became what some termed a “spiritual mystic.” He wrote a book titled “The Spiritual Guide,” and it seems that he promoted some of the same ideas as today’s Quakers,(Friends).
On the cover of the book, it states …“So powerful was its influence on Europe that within 6 years of its release this book had been translated into every language in Western Europe. In Naples, Italy it was said that 20,000 Christians gathered in small groups to practice inward prayer.”
Also on the cover of the book, it states,“There have been more copies of this book burned than perhaps any other single Christian book ever published.”
Also on the book cover, are the following words …“Michael Molinos came closer to reforming the Catholic Church than any other single man in history, yet he ended up sealed in a dungeon, his book condemned. A man so controversial that even until today the Vatican will not release the transcript of his (secret) trial. Now for the first time this book appears in modern English. The first English language release in over a hundred years.
And on the book’s cover … Anyone found in possession of this book will be excommunicated.… Papal Decree … 1687

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Thank you for posting this; very helpful.

Protestants do not kill those of opposing views. They count on the knowledge of the truth to cure the problem.

KayMarie

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#437773 May 4, 2013
who="Clay"
The Jehovah's Witness are about a hundred yrs old. I don't think Christ was referring to them.
Come to think of it, how old is the Pentecostal movement?

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Christ was referring to the persecution of ANY Christian.

KayMarie

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#437774 May 4, 2013
If I'm going to punished by a deity for asking questions, then the deity has something to hide.

My guess is, there is no deity, and it was and is the theologians that have MUCH to hide.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#437775 May 4, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Clay"
The Jehovah's Witness are about a hundred yrs old. I don't think Christ was referring to them.
Come to think of it, how old is the Pentecostal movement?
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At least as old as the day of Pentecost. It started in the Upper Room in Jerusalem.
KayMarie
That's cute Kay.
So you guys use that name and therefore it means you came from those folks in the upper room on the day of Pentecost?
Kinda like that 'Church of Christ' cult that assumes their name means its the one Jesus started!

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#437776 May 4, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
Thank you for posting this; very helpful.
Protestants do not kill those of opposing views. They count on the knowledge of the truth to cure the problem.
KayMarie
I suggest you stop being silly ... as the Protestants were as vile in nature as were any Catholics. They all branched off the same rotten tree, making promises based on fortune telling. Maybe somewhere, written in some books there is a law against such mischief.

Since: Dec 11

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#437777 May 4, 2013
The Council of Chalcedon was convened in 451 A.D by Emperor Marcian, with the reluctant approval of Pope Leo the Great, to set aside the 449 Second Council of Ephesus, better known as the "Robber Council THIS FOURTH ECUMENICAL COUNCIL of the Church was principally convened in order to assert the orthodox doctrine against the heretical teachings of EUTYCHES and the MONOPHYSITISM .
More than 500 bishops attended — the largest church council gathering to that time. ALL DELEGATES WERE FROM THE EASTERN CHURCH, EXCEPT THE FEW PAPAL REPRESENTATIVES FROM ROME AND TWO FROM AFRICA
RESULT:
condemned and repudiated the false doctrine of Eutychius{ Monophysitism}
THE RESPECTIVE ACCEPTANCE OF THIS COUNCIL BY THE EASTERTN ORTHODOX AND REJECTION OF THIS COUNCILBY THE NONCHALCEDONIANS LED TO THE BREAK BETWEEN THE CHALCEDONIAN ORTHODOX (THE "EASTERN ORTHODOX CHURCH") AND THE NON-CHALCEDONIANS (THE "ORIENTAL ORTHODOX CHURCH").THE EAQSTERN ORTHODOX CHURCH HELD TO ORTHODOXY RATHER THAN COMPROMISE TO KEEP THEIR NUMBERS. THE FOCUS WAS ON ORTHODOXY NOT NUMBER OF CHURCHES. THUS THE NaME=ORTHODOX,WHOSE PRIORITY IF PRESERVING THE FAITH.

Since: Dec 11

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#437778 May 4, 2013
"It is a remarkable fact that the first instance upon record which the bishop of Rome attempted to rule the Christian church was by an edict in behalf of Sunday. It had been the custom of all the churches to celebrate the Passover, but with this difference; that while the Eastern churches observed it upon the fourteenth day of the first month, no matter what day of the week this might be, the Western churches kept it upon the Sunday following that day, or rather, upon the Sunday following Good Friday. Victor, bishop of Rome, in the year 196 (Bower's History of the Popes, vol. 1, pp. 18, 19; Rose's Neander, pp. 188-190; Dowling's History of Romanism, book 1, chap. 2, sec. 9), took upon him to impose the Roman custom upon all the churches; that is, to compel them to observe the Passover upon Sunday." "This bold attempt," says Bower, "we may call the first essay of papal usurpation" (History of the Popes, vol. 1, p. 18). Dowling terms it the "earliest instance of Romish assumption" (History of Romanism, heading of page 32). The churches of Asia Minor informed Victor that they could not comply with his lordly mandate. Then, says Bower:
"Upon the receipt of this letter, Victor, giving the reins to an ungovernable passion, published bitter invectives against all the churches of Asia, declared them cut off from his communion, sent letters of excommunication to their respective bishops; and, at the same time, in order to have them cut off from the communion of the whole church, wrote to the other bishops, exhorting them to follow his example, and forbear communicating with their refractory brethren of Asia." -- History of the Popes, vol. 1, p. 18.

Since: Dec 11

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#437779 May 4, 2013
Sometimes two or more men would claim to be Pope at the same time. All of these claimants to the papacy had followers. Eventually one contender would be declared to be Pope, and the other would be declared to be an antipope. For centuries, Roman Catholic books differed as to which men they considered to be the genuine popes. However, today there is much more agreement about which men were popes and which men were antipopes. According to the "Catholic Encyclopedia," there were thirty antipopes

Since: Dec 11

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#437781 May 4, 2013
23RD POPE STEPHEN I : THE FIRST BISHOP TO CLAIM PRIMACY IN WRITING WAS POPE STEPHEN I (254-257).
St. Damasus I (366-83) 37th POPE DAMASUS I (366-384) was first to claim that Rome's primacy rested solely on Peter, and was the first pope to refer to the Roman church as the "Apostolic See". The prestige of the city itself was no longer sufficient; but in the doctrine of apostolic succession the popes had an unassailable position. Opposed by Ursicinus, antipope (366-367)
38 St. Siricius (384-399) Siricius was the first to apply the term "pope" to himself and the first to issue a formal decretal - a ruling with binding legal precedent - on disputes in the Church. Pope Siricius was the first Bishop of Rome to style himself Pope. Siricius is also one of the Popes presented in various sources as having been the first to bear the title Pontifex Maximus.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#437782 May 4, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
Siricius is also one of the Popes presented in various sources as having been the first to bear the title Pontifex Maximus.
Those whose consciences were active probably picked up on the issue that a Jew, faithful to Judaism would never ever become a Catholic pope ... but they were silenced by the ones that held the power.

And there were three popes reigning at one time.
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From the book,“History of Christianity,” by Clyde L. Manschreck … comes the following ……..

With two popes reigning during the Great Schism, each anathematizing the other, many voices cried for reform, among them Conrad of Geinhausen, Heinrich of Langenstein, Peter of Ailli, John Gerson, and Nicholas of Clemanges. The agitation for a reforming council became so great that the cardinals of both Popes finally issued a call in Piza in 409. Neither the Pope of Avignon nor the one at Rome attended. Pisa declared both of them deposed, and elected Alexander V to be Pope. But the Popes at Avignon and Rome refused to be deposed, so that Christendom was faced with the spectacle of three Popes. The situation was intolerable.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#437783 May 4, 2013
In deed ... here is the first man to call himself pope, and he was a Catholic, NOT a Jew.
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A History of Religious Ideas, by Mircea Eliade.

At the first ecumenical councils, only certain representatives of the “Pope” participated. That title was adopted by Siricius (384—99), who thus proclaimed himself the “father” and not the “brother” of the other bishops.

Since: Dec 11

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#437784 May 4, 2013
Tome of Leo

Often cited as a proof of Papal Supremacy is the Tome of Leo which is a letter sent by Pope Leo to the Second Ecumenical Council. It in part seems to suggest that Leo speaks with the authority of Peter. It is the position of Orthodox Christianity that the approval of the Tome is simply to state a unity of faith, not only of the pope but other churchmen as well.

"After reading of the forgoing epistle (Pope Leo's), the most reverend bishops cried out: "This is the faith of the fathers, this is the faith of the Apostles. So we all believe, thus the orthodox believe. Anathema to him who does not thus believe. Peter has spoken thus through Leo. So taught the Apostles. Piously and truly did Leo teach, so taught Cyril. Everlasting be the memory of Cyril. Leo and Cyril taught the same thing, anathema to him who does not so believe. This is the true faith. Those of us who are orthodox thus believe.”

However it is not just Leo's teaching that is the teaching of the Apostle, but Cyril's teaching as well. Both teach as Peter. The same language was used following the reading of Cyril's letter at the council.[32] The language of the council is simply to reinforce that all believe.[33] At the Third Ecumenical Council Pope Celestine and Cyril were compared to Paul!

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#437785 May 4, 2013
The pope should be referred to as the leading-bishop and nothing more.

Of course, I would refer to him as a fortune-telling fraud.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#437786 May 4, 2013
The Catholic Church

Lesson 11 from the Baltimore Cathechism

148. Did Christ intend that the special power of chief teacher and ruler of the entire Church should be exercised by Saint Peter alone?

Christ did not intend that the special power of chief teacher and ruler of the entire Church should be exercised by Saint Peter alone, but intended that this power should be passed down to his successor, the Pope, the Bishop of Rome, who is the Vicar of Christ on earth and the visible head of the Church.

Since: Dec 11

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#437787 May 4, 2013
Though Vatican I appeals to history as a valdation for its claims, it is the very facts of history which prove them to be spurious.

Historically, papal infallibility was never part of the teaching or practice of the early Church, nor was it ever part of the doctrinal content of saving faith as taught by it.

THIS IS WELL ILLUSTRATED BY THE ACTIONS OF THE 6TH ECUMENICAL COUNCIL (III CONSTANTINOPLE) HELD IN 680-681 A.D. THIS COUNCIL IS WELL KNOWN IN CHURCH HISTORY FOR ITS OFFICIAL CONDEMNATION OF A NUMBER OF LEADING EASTERN BISHOPS AS WELL AS A BISHOP OF ROME FOR EMBRACING AND PROMOTING HERETICAL TEACHINGS.

THE PARTICULAR POPE WHO WAS POSTHUMOUSLY EXCOMMUNICATED FROM THE CHURCH AND FOREVER BRANDED A HERETIC WAS POPE HONORIUS, WHO REIGNED AS BISHOP OF ROME FROM 625 TO 638 A.D.

IN A NUMBER OF LETTERS WRITTEN TO SERGIUS I, PATRIARCH OF CONSTANTINOPLE, AND SEVERAL OTHER INDIVIDUALS, HONORIUS OFFICIALLY EMBRACED THE HERESY OF MONTHELETISM, WHICH TEACHES THAT CHRIST HAD ONLY ONE WILL, THE DIVINE.

The orthodox position is that Christ, though one person, possesses two wills because he is divine and human. There is absolutely no doubt that he held to the teaching of one will in Christ. Jaroslav Pelikan makes these comments:

IN THE CONTROVERSY BETWEEN EAST AND WEST...THE CASE OF HONORIUS SERVED AS PROOF TO PHOTIUS THAT THE POPES NOT ONLY LACKED AUTHORITY OVER CHURCH COUNCILS, BUT WERE FALLIBLE IN MATTERS OF DOGMA; FOR HONORIUS HAD EMBRACED THE HERESY OF THE MONOTHELETES.

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