Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#437399 May 3, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
Look in a mirror.
KM
I did ... and that's why I admitted to myself that my own theology was as full of hot air as are the theologies of all others in religion.

I had to humble myself into admitting that I didn't have answers to mysteries, but rather that I just had opinions.

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#437400 May 3, 2013
chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
He fulfilled His promise at the cross when He said it is finished.
Amazing the catholic crowd ignore/don't get verse 63 of what Jesus said, "63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
As long as you preach at others, you will not self-inspect to see that your words are in VAIN.
chuck

Dublin, OH

#437401 May 3, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
He said that once. Clearly allegorical.
He said it was His body many times and did not clarify to the contrary even when confronted with dissent.
All of Christendom knew what He meant until the Reformation.
Amazing, really, that the "bible alone" crowd works so fervently to deny Christ's clear words and limit what He can and cannot do to fulfill His promise to us.
John 6:33 For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” 34 They said to him,“Sir, give us this bread always.”

35 Jesus said to them,“I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe.

**Clearly if we read, notice how partaking of bread Jesus is offering is equated to believing in him. Amazing how the catholic crowd can't see this.
Just sayin

Antioch, TN

#437402 May 3, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes they ate it. Funny how they can believe a few loaves and fish would feed multitudes and have leftovers, but cannot see have faith to believe what Christ said. I dont know how people symbolically get sick and die as Paul says in his writings to the Corinthians. Food poisoning? ;0 I jest.
If you have not read "The fourth cup" by Scott Hahn you may want to google it. Its a great read.
Yes! I have heard Scott's talk about the fourth cup on cd. WOW! That was great! There is another cd called The Real Meaning of Easter which also goes into the details of the Passover celebration which sheds all kinds of new light on Jesus' Passion death and resurrection. Excellent. His mysteries can never be exhausted.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#437403 May 3, 2013
who="Dan"
He said that once. Clearly allegorical.
He said it was His body many times and did not clarify to the contrary even when confronted with dissent.
All of Christendom knew what He meant until the Reformation.
Amazing, really, that the "bible alone" crowd works so fervently to deny Christ's clear words and limit what He can and cannot do to fulfill His promise to us.

**********
Clear words: Jesus declared that when one ate food, it was carried out in the draught (eliminated). You think you are saved by 'eating' food.

The communion is a process of "communion of the saints", as they share the gospel and the memorial Passover with each other.

KayMarie
chuck

Dublin, OH

#437404 May 3, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
He said that once. Clearly allegorical.
He said it was His body many times and did not clarify to the contrary even when confronted with dissent.
All of Christendom knew what He meant until the Reformation.
Amazing, really, that the "bible alone" crowd works so fervently to deny Christ's clear words and limit what He can and cannot do to fulfill His promise to us.
And......

The bread is Jesus' sacrifice for the sins of the world. Unless a person "partakes" through faith in Jesus' death, he cannot have eternal life.

Just because the catholic folks think they were the first, doesn't mean they got it right.
Just sayin

Antioch, TN

#437405 May 3, 2013
chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
He fulfilled His promise at the cross when He said it is finished.
Amazing the catholic crowd ignore/don't get verse 63 of what Jesus said, "63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
Are you saying that Jesus' Flesh profits nothing? Wasn't His Flesh sacrificed for us on the cross that we might be in heaven one day? Is our salvation "nothing"?
marge

Ames, IA

#437406 May 3, 2013
Mark says, Had given thanks: and therefore blessing is not a consecrating with a conjuring type of murmuring and power of words: and yet the bread and the wine are changed, not in nature but in quality, for without doubt they become tokens of the body and blood of Christ, not of their own nature or force of words, but by Christ his institution, which must be recited and laid forth, that faith may find what to lay hold on, both in the word and in the elements.

(m) This is a figure of speech which is called metonymy: that is to say, the giving of one name for another: so he calls the bread his body, which is the sign and sacrament of his body: and yet nonetheless, it is a figurative and changed kind of speech meaning that the faithful do indeed receive Christ with all his gifts

(though by a spiritual means) and become one with him.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#437407 May 3, 2013
who="chuck"
He fulfilled His promise at the cross when He said it is finished.
Amazing the catholic crowd ignore/don't get verse 63 of what Jesus said, "63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

**********

Powerful! "The flesh profits nothing". "The words that I speak to you...they are life".

KayMarie
chuck

Dublin, OH

#437408 May 3, 2013
Just sayin wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you saying that Jesus' Flesh profits nothing? Wasn't His Flesh sacrificed for us on the cross that we might be in heaven one day? Is our salvation "nothing"?
"The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life".

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#437409 May 3, 2013
With so very many saviors having come to earth (one time each) and not coming again ... it almost should make people catch on that no saviors came the first time ... as all the theologians swore was true.

Mohammad was a disgruntled combination of Judaism and Christianity when he started Islam with his own morphed dogmas.

Today, he is perceived as the divine leader of the Muslim religion ... holy in every sense of the word.

His spirit will live on in the minds of those who nurture that image in their imaginations, but I doubt that his supposed soul is in any paradise in a hereafter.

Such is the fantasy of religion, that plays and plays and plays, to never play itself out in the open where it can be inspected for authenticity.

Out of all the supposed saviors that came and went and were expected to come again ... not one "re"appeared in the flesh.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#437410 May 3, 2013
who="June VanDerMark"
I did ... and that's why I admitted to myself that my own theology was as full of hot air as are the theologies of all others in religion.
I had to humble myself into admitting that I didn't have answers to mysteries, but rather that I just had opinions.

**********

That's a start. He allows us our opinions. But He will eventually reveal His Truth to us.

He still allows us our 'opinions'. We can accept or reject His Truth.

KayMarie

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#437411 May 3, 2013
If a savior came, would he come in the same "physical" body as the first time?

If this latest savior on the block "Jesus" came in other than how his picture was painted by artists, how would the followers know him?

And where on earth would this savior choose to land his body so as not to cause a revolution of jealousy among devout believers who are certain he should be among THEM and ONLY them?

Crazy people and their crazy dogmas!
marge

Ames, IA

#437412 May 3, 2013
This is my body. Not literally, as the Catholics and Luther contend, but represents my body. We interpret it as we do his other sayings: The seed is the word (Lu 8:11); The field is the world (Mt 13:38); The harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels (Mt 13:39); I am the door (Joh 10:9); I am the vine (Joh 15:5). So, too, at this very feast, the Jews was wont to say of the paschal lamb, This 'is' the body of the lamb which our fathers ate in Egypt. Not the same, but this is meant to represent and commemorate that. He could not have meant that the bread was his real body, because his body was present at the table breaking the loaf, and he was speaking and acting in person among them. The doctrine of the Real Presence is every way unreasonable.

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#437413 May 3, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="June VanDerMark"
I did ... and that's why I admitted to myself that my own theology was as full of hot air as are the theologies of all others in religion.
I had to humble myself into admitting that I didn't have answers to mysteries, but rather that I just had opinions.
**********
That's a start. He allows us our opinions. But He will eventually reveal His Truth to us.
He still allows us our 'opinions'. We can accept or reject His Truth.
KayMarie
Blah, blah, blah.

I've read your sanctimonious blather before. When you point your finger back at your self as an evil, wicked offender of a god ... then I might believe your playing field is somewhat on the level.

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#437414 May 3, 2013
The bible makes people go totally off kilter.

The lust-filled readers and studiers of scriptures steal all the good stuff for their selves, and leave all the wicked stuff for others.

They are super generous THAT way! sarcasm intended

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#437415 May 3, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="chuck"
He fulfilled His promise at the cross when He said it is finished.
Amazing the catholic crowd ignore/don't get verse 63 of what Jesus said, "63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
**********
Powerful! "The flesh profits nothing". "The words that I speak to you...they are life".
KayMarie
Yes - Jesus taught much about the "Spirit" in and outside of the Bible.

Why do you only accept those texts of his within the Bible?

Is it because you don't the Jesus outside of the Bible?

C'mon - where is your honesty today? Same place as it has been for decades?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#437416 May 3, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
So "Dave" is a new "prophet"?
Why do you believe "Dave" over Jesus and what he taught?
"Dave" wasn't the one I was hewing to, rather simply providing citations you requested of me RE: historical Christian belief and practice concerning the Eucharist.

You knew that. You just wanted to say "why don't you believe Jesus" one more time.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#437417 May 3, 2013
marge wrote:
This is my body. Not literally, as the Catholics and Luther contend, but represents my body. We interpret it as we do his other sayings: The seed is the word (Lu 8:11); The field is the world (Mt 13:38); The harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels (Mt 13:39); I am the door (Joh 10:9); I am the vine (Joh 15:5). So, too, at this very feast, the Jews was wont to say of the paschal lamb, This 'is' the body of the lamb which our fathers ate in Egypt. Not the same, but this is meant to represent and commemorate that. He could not have meant that the bread was his real body, because his body was present at the table breaking the loaf, and he was speaking and acting in person among them. The doctrine of the Real Presence is every way unreasonable.
Christ emphasized that it was indeed His body. He says it all over Scripture.

What else that Christ promised us do you find "unreasonable", Marge?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#437418 May 3, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
"Dave" wasn't the one I was hewing to, rather simply providing citations you requested of me RE: historical Christian belief and practice concerning the Eucharist.
You knew that. You just wanted to say "why don't you believe Jesus" one more time.
No.

I asked for "Citations" - plural. You provided one - from some guy name "Dave" - which I presume that you agree and accept his theology.

So, why is it that you don't believe Jesus? There must be a reason.

You can be honest with me.

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