Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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marge

Ames, IA

#437359 May 3, 2013
As they were eating, Jesus took some bread and blessed it. Then he broke it in pieces and gave it to the disciples, saying, "Take this and eat it, for this is my body."

And brake it - This "breaking" of the bread represented the sufferings of Jesus about to take place - his body "broken" or wounded for sin. Hence, Paul 1 Corinthians 11:24 adds, "This is my body which is broken for you;" that is, which is about to be broken for you by death, or wounded, pierced, bruised, to make atonement for your sins.

This is my body - This represents my body. This broken bread shows the manner in which my body will be broken; or this will serve to recall my dying sufferings to your remembrance. It is not meant that his body would be literally "broken" as the bread was, but that the bread would be a significant emblem or symbol to recall to their recollection his sufferings. It is not improbable that our Lord pointed to the broken bread, or laid his hands on it, as if he had said, "Lo, my body!" or, "Behold my body!- that which "represents" my broken body to you." This "could not" be intended to mean that that bread was literally his body. It was not. His body was then before them "living." And there is no greater absurdity than to imagine his "living body" there changed at once to a "dead body," and then the bread to be changed into that dead body, and that all the while the "living" body of Jesus was before them.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#437360 May 3, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
I suggest you stop being so silly.
it's true! just embrace the idea laid-out in john 3:16 and you'll understand the premise of the entire Bible and God's plan for the human race! the word 'Gospel' means Thee Good News, i.e. the best news of all!

it's so good and so simple that "unless you become as a little child, you will not see the Kingdom of Heaven" Jesus

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#437361 May 3, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
As part of the process, the Church will make a determination as to whether the protestant's marriage was sacramental.
And the imaginary god will be forced to agree with the decisions.

:)
chuck

Dublin, OH

#437362 May 3, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong. The anullment process is open to a "divocred" protestant who wishes to marry a Catholic. As part of the process, the Church will make a determination as to whether the protestant's marriage was sacramental.
This is true. Happened to a family member. Don't forget the charge of around $500 for the annulment. I guess that was the going rate.
marge

Ames, IA

#437363 May 3, 2013
cont.

Yet this is the absurd and impossible doctrine of the Roman Catholics, holding that the "bread" and "wine" were literally changed into the "body and blood" of our Lord. The language employed by the Saviour was in accordance with a common mode of speaking among the Jews, and exactly similar to that used by Moses at the institution of the Passover Exodus 12:11; "It" - that is, the lamb - "is the Lord's Passover." That is, the lamb and the feast "represent" the Lord's "passing over" the houses of the Israelites. It serves to remind you of it. It surely cannot be meant that that lamb was the literal "passing over" their houses - a palpable absurdity - but that it represented it. So Paul and Luke say of the bread, "This is my body broken for you: this do in remembrance of me." This expresses the whole design of the sacramental bread. It is to call to "remembrance," in a vivid manner, the dying sufferings of our Lord.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#437364 May 3, 2013
Religion - A Delusion wrote:
Today at High Schools around Florida, Christian student groups will be giving out Bibles.
At the same schools, secular humanist groups will be giving out humanist literate at High Schools as well.
Isn't freedom great.
yes it is - and may those who are attracted to Goodness and Eternal Life be attracted to God and may those who are attracted to the temporal lusts of the flesh and mind be attracted to those things and lets get this whole thing moving swiftly to it's expected end!

COME QUICKLY LORD JESUS!!!

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#437365 May 3, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
What should theologians study, if not religion?
The word theology means to study ALL religions, not just your own from inside your own cult.

If you studied all religions, you would see that your own is only special to you, as other religions are equally special to others.

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#437366 May 3, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
it's true! just embrace the idea laid-out in john 3:16 and you'll understand the premise of the entire Bible and God's plan for the human race! the word 'Gospel' means Thee Good News, i.e. the best news of all!
it's so good and so simple that "unless you become as a little child, you will not see the Kingdom of Heaven" Jesus
You always FALL BACK on your favorite scriptures.

How about you being at the end of your own "curled" finger and pointing at yourself as being wicked and evil and lost to salvation.

That would be a refreshing change.

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#437367 May 3, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
COME QUICKLY LORD JESUS!!!
Master of nothing but empty-headed theology.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#437368 May 3, 2013
marge wrote:
As they were eating, Jesus took some bread and blessed it. Then he broke it in pieces and gave it to the disciples, saying, "Take this and eat it, for this is my body."
And brake it - This "breaking" of the bread represented the sufferings of Jesus about to take place - his body "broken" or wounded for sin. Hence, Paul 1 Corinthians 11:24 adds, "This is my body which is broken for you;" that is, which is about to be broken for you by death, or wounded, pierced, bruised, to make atonement for your sins.
This is my body - This represents my body. This broken bread shows the manner in which my body will be broken; or this will serve to recall my dying sufferings to your remembrance. It is not meant that his body would be literally "broken" as the bread was, but that the bread would be a significant emblem or symbol to recall to their recollection his sufferings. It is not improbable that our Lord pointed to the broken bread, or laid his hands on it, as if he had said, "Lo, my body!" or, "Behold my body!- that which "represents" my broken body to you." This "could not" be intended to mean that that bread was literally his body. It was not. His body was then before them "living." And there is no greater absurdity than to imagine his "living body" there changed at once to a "dead body," and then the bread to be changed into that dead body, and that all the while the "living" body of Jesus was before them.
Christ said "this is my body", multiple times in scripture.

We can read. That's what He said.

Why subject us to whoever's tortured logic you pasted here as to why He didn't mean what He said, clearly, many times?

I love the part where the author of this tripe claims that it would be an "absurdity" for Christ to keep His promise to us that it is indeed His body. Wonder what other limits they'd place on God?
Just sayin

Antioch, TN

#437369 May 3, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
The Eucharist is a true sacrifice, not just a commemorative meal, as "Bible Christians" insist. The first Christians knew that it was a sacrifice and proclaimed this in their writings. They recognized the sacrificial character of Jesus’ instruction, "Do this in remembrance of me" (Touto poieite tan eman anamnasin; Luke 22:19, 1 Cor. 11:24–25) which is better translated "Offer this as my memorial offering."
Thus, Protestant early Church historian J. N. D. Kelly writes that in the early Church "the Eucharist was regarded as the distinctively Christian sacrifice.... Malachi’s prediction (1:10–11) that the Lord would reject Jewish sacrifices and instead would have "a pure offering" made to him by the Gentiles in every place was seized upon by Christians as a prophecy of the Eucharist. TheDidache indeed actually applies the term thusia, or sacrifice, to the Eucharist....
"It was natural for early Christians to think of the Eucharist as a sacrifice. The fulfillment of prophecy demanded a solemn Christian offering, and the rite itself was wrapped in the sacrificial atmosphere with which our Lord invested the Last Supper. The words of institution,‘Do this’(touto poieite), must have been charged with sacrificial overtones for second-century ears; Justin at any rate understood them to mean,‘Offer this.’... The bread and wine, moreover, are offered ‘for a memorial (eis anamnasin) of the passion,’ a phrase which in view of his identification of them with the Lord’s body and blood implies much more than an act of purely spiritual recollection" (J. N. D. Kelly, Early Christian Doctrines [Full Reference], 196–7).
The Didache
"Assemble on the Lord’s day, and break bread and offer the Eucharist; but first make confession of your faults, so that your sacrifice may be a pure one. Anyone who has a difference with his fellow is not to take part with you until he has been reconciled, so as to avoid any profanation of your sacrifice [Matt. 5:23–24]. For this is the offering of which the Lord has said,‘Everywhere and always bring me a sacrifice that is undefiled, for I am a great king, says the Lord, and my name is the wonder of nations’[Mal. 1:11, 14]" (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/the-sacrifice-...
It's no coincidence that the Lord's Supper was instituted during the Passover meal. It helps to understand the Jewish tradition of the entire Passover celebration in order to better appreciate the fact of the Real Presence in Eucharist. Witnessing the death/sacrifice of Jesus on the cross in light of how they understood the Passover meal (being Jews), made it clear to the apostles that Jesus is the True Lamb, the One Sacrifice who takes away the sins of the world.
What did the Jews do with the Passover lamb? They ATE it.
How is it that this can be overlooked or dismissed as incidental is beyond me.
How can the fulfilment of a promise be less substantial than the promise itself?
marge

Ames, IA

#437370 May 3, 2013
DS, you wrote:

[The Didache

"Assemble on the Lord’s day, and break bread and offer the Eucharist; but first make confession of your faults, so that your sacrifice may be a pure one. Anyone who has a difference with his fellow is not to take part with you until he has been reconciled, so as to avoid any profanation of your sacrifice [Matt. 5:23–24]. For this is the offering of which the Lord has said,‘Everywhere and always bring me a sacrifice that is undefiled, for I am a great king, says the Lord, and my name is the wonder of nations’[Mal. 1:11, 14]" (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).]

How can you say 'your sacrifice' or my sacrifice, when its all about His sacrifice???
Dan

Omaha, NE

#437371 May 3, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
The word theology means to study ALL religions, not just your own from inside your own cult.
If you studied all religions, you would see that your own is only special to you, as other religions are equally special to others.
Actually, no, it doesn't mean "all religions". One can study all religions, but that doesn't make a Hindi theologian less than a theologian if he restricts his study to Hinduism.

I'm not sure why you continue to tell us that adherents of a particular religion feel that it's actually special to them. This isn't a bulletin, June. It's like wasting keystrokes to tell us water is wet.
chuck

Dublin, OH

#437372 May 3, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Christ said "this is my body", multiple times in scripture.
We can read. That's what He said.
Why subject us to whoever's tortured logic you pasted here as to why He didn't mean what He said, clearly, many times?
I love the part where the author of this tripe claims that it would be an "absurdity" for Christ to keep His promise to us that it is indeed His body. Wonder what other limits they'd place on God?
What did Christ mean when He said gouge your eye out if it causes you to sin?

I can read. That's what He said.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#437373 May 3, 2013
who="June VanDerMark"
They so much desire to believe they are special and saved, they can't get beyond their own voracious lusts.
Low self-esteem makes them extremely dependent on religious nonsense that they keep churning around and around in their imaginations.
**********
LOL You say that Christians believe that they are special...then turn right around and say that they have low self-esteem.:)

But your 'self-esteem' sticks out like a sore thumb.:)

KayMarie
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#437374 May 3, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong. The anullment process is open to a "divocred" protestant who wishes to marry a Catholic. As part of the process, the Church will make a determination as to whether the protestant's marriage was sacramental.
She just loves to gossip and make up things, but you will never see her or any protestant in here ever admit a lie they have told or apologize for proven garbage. It really shows what they are made of. She never mocked the Pope because she didnt have a clue what he said about Christmas and of course she is far more of an expert on history and the bible a fine scholar she is. Jethro was probably her instructor. YEE DOGGIE!

Wine bibber means having a sip of grape juice in hicksville, its just those Catholics gulping wine behind curtains because they think noboby can see them. She however is just here to share the truth. lol These people have no shame,truth, honesty, reason or logic whatsoever. Its a merry go round with them and their relative truths. I have only 2 Protestant that came here years ago that were intelligent and spoke with charity and without lies. The propoganda that is spread without any remorse whatsoever followed by denial is unprecedented. Each person with their own truth and none has more authority than the next, but they are one in an invisible body with no false teachers, because their doctrine makes it so. Sola Sad.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#437375 May 3, 2013
chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
This is true. Happened to a family member. Don't forget the charge of around $500 for the annulment. I guess that was the going rate.
What's true? A protestant who's divorced has to go through an anullment in order to marry a Catholic in the Church.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#437376 May 3, 2013
who="June VanDerMark"
That's my belief. Theologians are traumatized by huge egos that blinds them from perceiving they don't have the answers to mysteries.
Ego is the most insidious trauma, as it always clothes itself in the guise of supposed wisdom.

**********

Look in a mirror.:)
KM
chuck

Dublin, OH

#437377 May 3, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
What's true? A protestant who's divorced has to go through an anullment in order to marry a Catholic in the Church.
Yes
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#437378 May 3, 2013
Just sayin wrote:
<quoted text>
It's no coincidence that the Lord's Supper was instituted during the Passover meal. It helps to understand the Jewish tradition of the entire Passover celebration in order to better appreciate the fact of the Real Presence in Eucharist. Witnessing the death/sacrifice of Jesus on the cross in light of how they understood the Passover meal (being Jews), made it clear to the apostles that Jesus is the True Lamb, the One Sacrifice who takes away the sins of the world.
What did the Jews do with the Passover lamb? They ATE it.
How is it that this can be overlooked or dismissed as incidental is beyond me.
How can the fulfilment of a promise be less substantial than the promise itself?
Yes they ate it. Funny how they can believe a few loaves and fish would feed multitudes and have leftovers, but cannot see have faith to believe what Christ said. I dont know how people symbolically get sick and die as Paul says in his writings to the Corinthians. Food poisoning? ;0 I jest.

If you have not read "The fourth cup" by Scott Hahn you may want to google it. Its a great read.

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