Roman Catholic church only true churc...

Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 627264 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#437485 May 3, 2013
Dan wrote:
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And you are sounding pedantic.
Why do you dismiss the "small facts"?

Yet you will consider other minute details as important.

Dismissing the semantics only goes to show you don't understand what you are trying to convey.

Self.
marge

Ames, IA

#437486 May 3, 2013
Dan wrote:
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As to what I would find "reasonable" in context of my discourse with Marge, I'm sure that Marge finds it within reason that Christ can save her from her and the rest of mankind from sin, could change water into wine, could raise Lazarus from the dead, Himself be resurrected from the dead, is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent etc.
Given all this, she now proclaims (sans rationale) that it's "unreasonable" for Christians to believe that He can be fully present in the Eucharist, despite His repeated promise that He would be and His repeated instructions for us to partake in Him in that manner for our salvation.
What? So you believe that's how your saved? By partaking in communion and literally eating His flesh and blood?

wowie i don't know what to say...really?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#437487 May 3, 2013
Dan wrote:
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"Basically", I believe it's your burden to establish that Christ in fact promised or offered "to know yourself is to know the kingdom of God" as a prime directive or command. I would ask you to establish this premise first prior to demanding my response to your questions about it.
My burden to prove an ancient document is something spoken by Jesus?

No, my burden is to show the facts that the RCC is not the sole organization for someone to be saved. That bologna is propogated in a false preaching by the RCC.

But will you do the same that you ask of me, with any of the NT texts - prove that they were also viable commands of Jesus? Probably not, huh? But you'll go on believing them as they are, and totally disregard those other texts that MEN HAVE DECIDED FOR YOU TO NOT BELIEVE.

imo - Your statement above is very typical of someone who hasn't researched their religion prior to joining (or never ventured outside of it all their life).
Dan wrote:
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As to what I would find "reasonable" in context of my discourse with Marge, I'm sure that Marge finds it within reason that Christ can save her from her and the rest of mankind from sin, could change water into wine, could raise Lazarus from the dead, Himself be resurrected from the dead, is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent etc.
Do you always believe everything you read?

Oh wait - your rebuttal will be "faith", huh?

Where as it should be - Self.
Dan wrote:
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Given all this, she now proclaims (sans rationale) that it's "unreasonable" for Christians to believe that He can be fully present in the Eucharist, despite His repeated promise that He would be and His repeated instructions for us to partake in Him in that manner for our salvation.
Only in your mind is where this resides.

Nothing more or nothing less.

Yes Dan, this is Self.
marge

Ames, IA

#437488 May 3, 2013
And one must 'believe''its''literally' Jesus's flesh, or it doesn't count as 'faith' and one can't be saved.

Do i have this catholic teaching correct?
scarab

San Antonio, TX

#437489 May 3, 2013
There is only One God.

The Sun God.

RA RA RA
Just sayin

Antioch, TN

#437490 May 3, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
[who="Just sayin"
When Jesus said "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing", He meant that unless you recieve His words on a spiritual plane you can't accept them since your thinking is merely carnal...of the flesh. He meant that it takes faith to accept His teaching.
I can't believe you actually think Jesus' Flesh profits nothing.
And I can't believe you actually think that Jesus' Flesh was somehow at war with His Spirit.
**********
Flesh is flesh. Jesus resisted His flesh to death. He said that if we would follow Him, we would 'deny self'(flesh). He did not struggle to 'save' His flesh.
KM
When Jesus said the flesh profits nothing He was not talking about HIS flesh.

When Jesus said "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing", He meant that unless you recieve His words on a spiritual plane you can't accept them since your thinking is merely carnal...of the flesh. He meant that it takes faith to accept His teaching.

It takes faith to believe He meant what He said and He said "take and eat, this is my body."

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#437491 May 3, 2013
Dan wrote:
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How does assertion of this very clear doctrine constitute the "misleading" of anyone?
Also, please point out where I indicated that this doctrine constituted "the fullness of Jesus"? I don't recall having stated that.
You've yet to prove it to be clear.

You've only give your interpretation of the ritual.

Rituals are conducted by an individual by choice - Self.

Avoiding the facts is why you are argumentive.

By accepting these facts, your arguments become null.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#437492 May 3, 2013
Dan wrote:
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You are Jesus?
You offer your interpretation of a gnostic gospel and imply that if one doesn't accept your interpretation, they don't believe Jesus.
Correction to your assertive question.

I can become like Jesus - he said so.

I didn't ask you to believe me.

But that is irrelevant to me posting my beliefs that completely contradict what you believe.

Sounds to me that the HS is guiding me and not you.

Bummer for you.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#437493 May 3, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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You didn't answer the question - yet again.
Why do you want people to die?
BTW - if you will look at the world we live in, there are many changes that are occurring - many of whcih are focussed on a change to how we perceive and think things should be.
So - for this "consciousness change" - and to be more encompassing in the world, people are leaving these old beliefs and realizing that as information is uncovered, the old beliefs are not as true as the followers think.
Self.
"Why do you want people to die?"

i think a more appropriate question is; why would you accuse me of such a thing and seek to slander my reputation?

"thou shall not bear false witness"

to the rest of your new age mumbo-jumbo i have One Word:

JESUS

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#437494 May 3, 2013
[QUOTE who="New Age Spiritual Leader
I can become like Jesus - he said so.
[/QUOTE]

Even if Jesus existed, why would anyone want to follow the leader of a cult who told them that only through belief in him could they find salvation?

He would have been no better than any other scam artist theologian with a smooth line of foolishness.

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#437495 May 3, 2013
scarab wrote:
There is only One God.
The Sun God.
RA RA RA
Don't forget the moon god.

:)
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>

"Sīn, moon god of Semitic origin, worshiped in ancient Middle Eastern religions. One of the principal deities in the Babylonian and Assyrian pantheons, he was lord of the calendar and of wisdom. The chief centers of his worship were at Harran and at Ur, where he was known as Nanna." ( encyclopedia.com , Sīn)

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-photos-moon-w ...

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#437496 May 3, 2013
Religion - A Delusion wrote:
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Yes, like Jesus said, "soon."
Some of the original Apostles must still be alive today too.
How silly!
Sorry Charlie, if the Bible was given to us by our creator, yet we the creation can't agree on what the heck it means (see this board), then something is amiss.
All of mankind's gods are imaginary, including yours.
"soon" means different things in different context. in the context of eternity, 2,000 plus years is VERY SOON!

"a thousand years is as a day and a day is as a thousand years with the Lord"

there are millions who agree on what the heck the crucial points of the Bible mean. all one needs is Jn 3:16 to have the premise.

as they say in the unbelieving culture - good luck!:)
truth

Perth, Australia

#437497 May 3, 2013
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#437498 May 3, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
333 090
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A. Cite your sources.

B. "Catholic" means universal. When Christ said "build His Church", it meant He wanted them to go out and preach to "all nations", to build it up to be the "universal Church". By the time of St. Ignatius's writing, the apostles had accomplished much of this "all nation preaching" and the term Catholic became the name of His Church.

B.(?) The Church at Rome is mentioned specifically by St. Paul. The Catholic Church is not a denomination.

"The first denomination (Catholic) was put together by the emperor some 300 to 400 years after Christ made His declaration...its foundation was paganism....not Peter!!!!!.."

Wrong. The first mention of the Catholic Church is by St. Ignatius writing in AD 110. He used the name in a manner which suggests it was already well known. The foundation of the Catholic Church is Jesus. He told St. Peter he was the rock on which He will build His Church and appointed him as it's earthly leader (see the bible). Sts. Peter and Paul founded the Church at Rome and were both martyred there. St. Paul says the faith of the Church at Rome is renowned throughout the whole world.

Per St. Ignatius;

"See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Christ Jesus does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles. Do ye also reverence the deacons, as those that carry out the appointment of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Smyrneans, 8:2 (c. A.D. 110).

Sounds like a Church that had been well established by the time he wrote this....

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#437499 May 3, 2013
Religion - A Delusion wrote:
God created mankind.
God gave mankind the Bible.
Yet this board is proof that the Bible spawns disagreement and even hatred., because it is so unclear.
Thus.........
God wants us to bicker and fight, just like here.
If ONLY there were a god ... the god might choose to settle the disputes.

Leave it up to human theologians and they fight forever over who is right. And of course the other person is always wrong.

:)
truth

Perth, Australia

#437500 May 3, 2013

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#437501 May 3, 2013
who="Anthony MN"
You have wedding ceremonies in the pentecostal community no? Your preachers have certain requirements for the couples, i.e., he verifies they aren't married to someone else, they're sincere in their desire to wed, etc.?
Why do you believe a pentesoctal preacher can make certain determinations and the Catholic Church can't? And quit making assumptions as to someone's guilt before you know the real story. No one exonerated anyone, people are turned down in their anullment applications all the time.

**********

Quit the crazy-making. You were the one who said that the CC decides WHETHER A PROTESTANT MARRIAGE/DIVORCE IS VALID.

KayMarie
marge

Ames, IA

#437502 May 3, 2013
Just sayin wrote:
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When Jesus said the flesh profits nothing He was not talking about HIS flesh.
When Jesus said "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing", He meant that unless you recieve His words on a spiritual plane you can't accept them since your thinking is merely carnal...of the flesh. He meant that it takes faith to accept His teaching.
It takes faith to believe He meant what He said and He said "take and eat, this is my body."

finish the verse;

John 6:63

The Spirit alone gives eternal life. Human effort accomplishes nothing. And the very words I have spoken to you are spirit and life.

It takes faith to believe the 'words' are spirit and life.

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#437503 May 3, 2013
Religion - A Delusion wrote:
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All of mankind's gods are imaginary, including yours.
It's interesting how they WILL to see that the other gods are false, and only their own is real.

Yet if I suggest they are all false the fangs and claws of the "defenders of the FAITH" come out in full view.

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#437504 May 3, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Self.
Interpretation is perception.
Perception is Self.
I agree.

Interpretation of all words is a personal affair with the self, and nothing more.

Religion is a form of mental masturbation. It can be euphoric, or evil ... according to whatever the believer takes from the experience.

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