Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#437169 May 2, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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Your post edited for space...
First:
The history of the Romans persecuting, Christians, and not Catholics, because there were no Catholic, is well documented and you know it: Excerpt:
In its first three centuries, the Christian church endured regular (though not constant) persecution at the hands of Roman authorities. This experience, and its resulting martyrs and apologists, would have significant historical and theological consequences for the developing faith.
References
Lk 6:22-23
Epistle 10 (to Emperor Trajan), 96 (in Bettenson et al, Documents of the Christian Church, p. 3).
Epistle 76, Ante-Nicene Fathers 5.403.
"The tradition of martyrdom has entered deep into the Christian consciousness." Kenneth Scott Latourette, A History of Christianity, Volume I: Beginnings to 1500, rev. ed.(Prince Press, 2000), p. 81.
Mark Galli, "The Persecuting Emperors." Christian History, Issue 27 (Vol. XI, No. 3), p. 20.
Maurice M. Hassatt, "Martyr." The Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. IX (Robert Appleton Company, 1910).
Everett Ferguson, "Did You Know?" Christian History, Issue 27 (Vol. XI, No. 3), inside cover.
Robert L. Wilkin, "The Piety of the Persecutors." Christian History, Issue 27 (Vol. XI, No. 3), p. 18.
Ibid.
Ibid., p. 19.
Latourette, p. 82.
cf. Augustine, City of God, 18.52.
Henry Bettenson and Chris Maunder, eds., Documents of the Christian Church, 3rd. ed.(Oxford UP, 1999), p. 2.
Tertullian, Ad nat., 1.7.
"Nero." Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2005. "Christianity." Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2005.
Suetonius, Domitian, 15.
Philip Schaff, "Persecutions under Marcus Aurelius. a.d. 161–180." History of the Christian Church, 2.2.20.
William H.C. Frend, "Persecution in the Early Church." Christian History, Issue 27 (Vol. XI, No. 3), p. 7.
Ibid.
Ibid, p. 8.
Ibid., p. 9.
"Decius, Gaius Messius Quintus Trajanus." Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2005.
Maurice M. Hassatt, "Martyr." The Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. IX (Robert Appleton Company, 1910).
"Diocletian." Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2005.
Dialogue with Trypho the Jew, 110.
"Apologist." Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2005.
Books on Persecution of the Early Church
J.C. Rolfe (trans.), Suetonius: The Lives of the Caesars, trans. from Latin, vol. 2 (1914), Book 6.
John Jackson (trans.), Tacitus: The Annals, trans. from Latin, vol. 3-4 (1931-37), Books 12-16
Miriam T. Griffin, Nero: The End of a Dynasty (1984)
Joyce E. Salisbury, Perpetua's Passion: The Death and Memory of a Young Roman Woman.
John Wagner, The Big Book of Martyrs: Amazing but True Tales of Faith in the Face of Certain Death!
G. W. Bowersock, Martyrdom and Rome.

Frank J. Korn, The Tiber Ran Red: The Age of the Roman Martyrs.
Reinhard Selinger, The Mid-Third Century Persecutions of Decius and Valerian.
Herbert Brook Workman, Persecution in the Early Church.
This info is not Protestant (bible only)"fiction" history as you well know.
These references do not support ANYTHING that you claim in your "failing attempts" to debunk the TRUTH of the historical and biblical proof of Jesus Christ and His One True Apostolic Catholic Church. Ox, you have become an expert at "digging up" (historical information) with a (pre-determined) "anti-catholic agenda" neatly tucked your back pocket". Then, after extracting "whatever information that might fit" into your Protestant (fictitious) Church History book, you "editorialize and just plain "make up" your own distorted conclusions. You Ox are a typical bible only heretic that lives in a "dillusional Church history world of Protestant myths and legends. It is called Reformation Mass confusion. The difference is that WE as Catholics have the "Mass" and YOU have the "confusion"!
Dan

Omaha, NE

#437170 May 2, 2013
Ella wrote:
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The body of believers is the church!
No.

Jesus instituted a visible Church. It's in the Bible. The one you exhort us all to read. That one.

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#437171 May 2, 2013
hojo wrote:
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Christ established "only one" TRUE CHURCH,---- NOT 42,000+ contradicting, and inconsistent Protestant "RELATIVE TRUTH" (what each person "decides for themselves to be true)"denominations that began over 450 years ago with the Reformation...... I/we as Catholics, are just "defending" the TRUTH of over 2000 years of Jesus Christs One True Apostolic Catholic Church..........You bible only bigots are the ones that keep "throwing out" your Protestant "fictitious history myths" as well "your own interpretation (or better yet mis-interpretation) of the bible, making it mean "only what YOU want it to mean"!! Jesus confirms, verifies and gives us His "one and only" TRUE Church in Matthew 16:13-21, appointing Peter (and his bishops successors) as His earthly representative to lead HIS Church, until Jesus (himself) returns again for the second time here on earth. Jesus INITIATED it, Paul VERIFIES it in 1 Timothy 3:15 calling the Church (not the bible alone) as the pinnacle, pillar and foundation of the TRUTH, Church History CONFIRMS it over and over again for over 2000 years.
First you have no idea whether I am Protestant or Catholic or Born Again or whatever. Secondly I see your repeating the same thing over and over in a blog is really converting hordes of people.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#437172 May 2, 2013
Regina wrote:
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Yes, Marge?
This might be a case like Cardinal Newman, a brilliant 19th century theologian who set out to write a book to debunk Catholicism 'once and for all'. He was halfway through and he tossed it to the ground and converted to the Catholic faith- leaving his family and friends behind.

Maybe Marge realized part way thru, that the Apostle Paul believed the bread and wine to be "the Body and Blood of the Lord"
1Corinthians 11:27
Ella

Rockford, MI

#437173 May 2, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="jethro8" i see no harm inthat if the woman is going to have the abortion no matter what,why not use the cells,the baby in a way is helping man kind even thoughhe/she will not be able to enjoy it's benefits
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She shouldn't have the abortion to start with...but if those aborted babies become a big money source, there will be a LOT more abortions.
KM
Unfortunately, aborted babies are already a big money maker. Pepsi, Nestle and some drug companies were boycotted for using aborted fetal cells to enhance their flavorings. Legislation has been proposed to prevent this in the future. In China, the brains of aborted babies is a delicacy and they use fetal tissue for energy boosting pills....
Ella

Rockford, MI

#437174 May 2, 2013
LTM wrote:
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Jesus was born a Jew to Jewish parents, He is called the "KING OF THE JEWS". all who receive Jesus are Lord and Savior are adopted into the family of God Jesus is His first born only begotten son." So all who are born again have a Jewish heritage June. Salvation is from the Jews.
God never turned His back on anyone. Jew or other wise.
We who believe in Jesus are called Christ followers or followers of the way.
Jesus being the way. The first Christ-followers were Jewish.
Yes. The bible says that those that have the circumcission of heart are spiritually jewish.
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AOL

#437175 May 2, 2013
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100% PROOF Pope Francis is ANTICHRIST_______




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#437176 May 2, 2013
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hojo wrote:
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These references
Edited for space.. Part A

Of course the references support my post!!!!! Why else would they be listed on the web site as the source!!!!!????

Why do you continue to lie,knowing that it could be proven, easily and without any doubt, to be a lie. You said, "you conveniently" insert the word "Catholic" in the book of Revelations or in any other bible passages, "where-ever and when-ever" it will precisely (fit) your anti-catholic "editorialized personal opinion".... Am I wrong?????

You said the Catholic denomination is the bride of Christ!!! I quoted Scripture that shows the absurdity in your words...

I will be glad to repeat:
I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God.

Show me where I did insert the word "Catholic" in the above Scripture I quoted from the Book of Revelation.

Show me, according to your accustaions, adding my own protestant propaganda, garbage interpretation, that is based upon an ingrained, vindictive and hostile attitude topward "anything" that the Catholic Church (to uise your erroeous use of the word church) teaches or believes, in the following Scruipture and my comments supported by said Scripture:

Mt 6:9 ¶ After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.(we are to pray to our Father in Heaven)

Whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.(we are to pray to our Father in Heaven in the name of Jesus Christ....)

You are denying the truth in Christianity, the English dictionary and the Bible when you deny Catholics worship idols...

Quote:
idol: a material effigy that is worshipped; "thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image" (Applicable to Mary and all other idols of "saints" as practiced by Catholics)

effigy: A likeness or image, especially of a person. Symbolically, especially in the form of an effigy.(Applicable to Mary and dead "saints" as practiced by Catholics)

worship:worship:(Christianity / Ecclesiastical Terms) to show profound religious devotion and respect to; adore or venerate (God or any person or thing considered divine), to be devoted to and full of admiration for, to have or express feelings of profound adoration for.(Totally applicable to the practice of Catholics for Mary and dead "saints")

You are denying that Catholics show profound religious devotion and respect to, adore, and
venerate Mary.

Quote: And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.

A, The word "church" in that verse is defined as: a calling out, i.e.(concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both):--assembly.(Nothing said about any demionation....which is what the RCC is!!!!)

B. Your NABre pope approved Bible teaches the same thing: Jesus’ church means the community that he will gather and that, like a building, will have Peter as its solid foundation. That function of Peter consists in his being witness to Jesus as the Messiah, the Son of the living God.

C. None of the seven churches referred to in Revelation is referred to by Christ as "Catholic"..

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#437177 May 2, 2013
1 Samuel 16:7b
“For the LORD does not see as man sees; for man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.’(NKJV)

Since: Jun 10

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#437178 May 2, 2013
Part B
D. History shows Christians being presected....killed...jailed.. etc until sometime in the fourth century!!!! Hundred of years after Christ declared "I will build my church". Not one Catholic is mentiomed.....because....there were none!!!!!

F. History also shows the emporor Constantine founded your denomination...based on paganisum!!!!

Cherry-picking: to choose or take the best or most profitable of (a number of things).

To do so with Scriptre would say that I believe not all of God's Word is equally "best" and/or that not all of His Word is equaly profitable!!!! That will never happen!!!!

You are an expert on this matter...you keep on keeping on repeating the term..so show me, without, as you say, cherrypicking, all Scripture that teaches what one must do to be Saved.....
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#437179 May 2, 2013
Just sayin wrote:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =zuljuu6uqqcXX
I guess this is what goes on in some protestant churches and the audience thinks this is worship. It gave me a nice chuckle.
Wow, wow and wow. That's disturbing.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#437180 May 2, 2013
Just sayin wrote:
Clay, here is something very refreshing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =bEReuOs4zlYXX
Confrint and the fellas need to watch that.(and Marge too)
Regina

Long Branch, NJ

#437181 May 2, 2013
Clay wrote:
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This might be a case like Cardinal Newman, a brilliant 19th century theologian who set out to write a book to debunk Catholicism 'once and for all'. He was halfway through and he tossed it to the ground and converted to the Catholic faith- leaving his family and friends behind.
Maybe Marge realized part way thru, that the Apostle Paul believed the bread and wine to be "the Body and Blood of the Lord"
1Corinthians 11:27
LOL, you could be right!

At least she's posting under her own name and isn't using a sock puppet. The Trojan Horse comes to mind. That's Greek.

123...
;)

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#437182 May 2, 2013
What is the practical attitude of Catholicism today to other faiths? It was well expressed at the Assisi "world day of prayer for peace" hosted by Pope John Paul II at the shrine of the peace-lover Francis on 27 October 1986. There, in welcoming "representatives of the Christian Churches and Ecclesial Communities and World Religions," the Pope drew attention to the fact that "the form and content of our prayers are very different... and there can be no question of reducing them to a kind of common denominator," while also insisting that a "common ground" could be found in the "dimension of prayer, which in the very real diversity of religions tries to express communication with a Power above all human forces."

Since: Mar 13

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#437183 May 2, 2013
Religion - A Delusion wrote:
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Why so much Christianity in this poster?
Fear of death? Fear of the unknown?
To build an ego, to feel special maybe?
Loneliness, in need of a parent figure? Maybe he's defending a parent.
A need to belong, yearning for attention perhaps?
Delusions serve a deep need.
...Why so much hatred in this poster???

Stanley says its typical of hateful, hypocritical, hAtheistic schidt-for-brains.

Go Figure

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#437184 May 2, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Many black people are in prison simply because they can't hire the best lawyers.
Courts are not about serving truth. The issue is about who wins the cases.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>
Innocence Project
The Innocence Project was founded in 1992 by Barry Scheck and Peter Neufeld. To date, the Innocence Project has freed 305 wrongfully convicted people, including 18 who spent time on death row.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocence_Projec...
...Have you ever offered to 'house' some of these supposedly wrongfully, convicted people???...until they got back on their feet???

We don't think so.

Go Figure

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#437185 May 2, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
At one time in America those who were black could not hire a lawyer.
Because black people were not allowed by the white Christians to read and learn, they had no rights. And white Lawyers would not ever dream of taking the case of a black person, as they were terrified of those in religion such as the members of the Ku Klux Klan.
Now, many of these racists are simply jealous that black men and women have become lawyers and can assist those of their own race to have a taste of white "justice."
...At one time in the world, no one could hire a lawyer.

There weren't any, until White people educated themselves and made the laws. Someone had to.

Next time you are 'downTown' and lost late in the night in a Black neighborhood, go into an alleyway to get directions.

Of course, you can drive around until you know that you are in a White neighborhood. Ollie and I are sure you will feel more comfortable. Yes!!!

Go Figure

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#437186 May 2, 2013
Religion - A Delusion wrote:
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Thanks for the honesty.
No, I'm tan but not black. I believe I have different life experiences. I played sports with blacks. A black man saved my life once. I guess I'm not as prone to that kind of bigotry.
Thanks for helping to make my point.
...When we say 'most' we do not mean ALL.

Ollie saved the life of several Black men way 'back in the day'.

But we both know that you are glad that you are 'Tan' and NOT Black.

So does Diana Ross, Rihanna, Halle Berry, and even SickMickJackson when he finally began to 'change' color.

Go Figure

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#437187 May 2, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
Turn humans loose in religion and many will fight to the death in the claim that they know the one and only truth of the hereafter and that THEY will be the ones favored by the gods.
More serial killers were leaders of religions than can ever be counted, and they waxed proud in the claims of owning truth, as their swords "mean"while dripped with the blood of victims.
For the most part it seems the only thing we learn from history is how to keep repeating the same patterns and then wondering why the results are always the same.
.....Turn humans loose in any non-religious sect and many will fight to the death in the claim that they know the one and only truth of the hereafter doesn't exist...until they suckIN their last breath and go out like someOne sceaming their heads off after falling off a building.

More serial killers were hAtheists and wannabeeAtheists than can ever be counted and they waxed proud in their claims of there being no GOD.

Genghis Khan, Napoleon, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Gaddaahafffii, and a whole pissPot of others were hAtheists....and anyone who wilfully is part of this pact of murderers. They have NO religion about them.

Go Figure

Since: Mar 13

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#437188 May 2, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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I agree. Even had Jesus existed, which I don't believe occurred ... it would have been long after his death that the Catholics started writing supposed quotes uttered by the supposed savior of ONLY those of the Catholic faith.
I could swear right now that one of my deceased neighbors said such and such and such, and make up the most flamboyant story, and my neighbor would not be able to come to her own defend and say "I never would have said something of the sort! You made that up!!!"
And who would know that I had just made up a huge lie?
...Both Stanley and I give you credit though.

Credit for remaining consistant in being full of schidt to the eyeballs.

Been visiting 'Death Row' lately!!!!!!!!!.Making any donations towards the help of those you kinda figure are innocent???

Go Figure

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