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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 603358 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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marge

Ames, IA

#437159 May 2, 2013
Regina wrote:
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Marge, "you" didn't exist until the reformation.
"I have no taste for corruptible food nor for the pleasures of this life. I desire the bread of God, which is the flesh of Jesus Christ, who was of the seed of David; and for drink I desire His blood, which is love incorruptible." St. Ignatius of Antioch ("Epistle to the Romans," c. 105 A.D.)
"Heretics abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the Flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ." St. Ignatius of Antioch ("Epistle to the Smyrneans," c. 105 A.D.)
"Not as common bread nor common drink do we receive these; but as we have been taught, the food which has been made into the Eucharist by the Eucharistic prayer set down by Him, and by the change of which our blood and flesh is nourished, is both the Flesh and Blood of that incarnated Jesus." St. Justin Martyr ("First Apology," c. 150 A.D.)
"If the Lord were from other than the Father (and thus capable of performing miracles), how could He rightly take bread, which is of the same creation as our own, and confess it to be His Body and affirm that the mixture in the cup is His Blood? When, therefore, the mixed cup (wine and water) and the baked bread receives the Word of God and becomes the Eucharist, the Body of Christ, and from these the substance of our flesh is increased and supported, how can they say that the flesh is not capable of receiving the gift of God, which is nourished by the Body and Blood of the Lord, and is in fact a member of Him?" St. Irenaeus ("Against Heresies," 189 A.D.)
"He (St. Paul) threatens, moreover, the stubborn and forward and denounces them, saying 'Whosoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily is guilty of the Body and Blood of the Lord'(1 Corinthians 11:27). All these warnings being scorned and condemned (lapsed Christians will often take Communion) before their sin is expiated, before confession has been made of their crime, before their conscience has been purged by sacrifice and by the hand of the priest, before the offense of an angry and threatening Lord has been appeased,(and so) violence is done to His Body and Blood; and they sin now against their Lord more with their hand and mouth than when they denied the Lord." St. Cyprian of Carthage ("The Lapsed," 251 A.D.)
"He Himself, therefore, having declared and said of the Bread,'This is My Body,' who will dare any longer to doubt? And when He Himself has affirmed and said,'This is My Blood,' who can ever hesitate and say It is not His Blood? Do not, therefore, regard the bread and wine as simply that, for they are, according to the Master's declaration, the Body and Blood of Christ. Even though the senses suggest to you the other, let faith make firm. Do not judge in this matter by taste, but be fully assured by faith, not doubting that you have been deemed worthy of the Body and Blood of Christ." St. Cyril of Jerusalem ("Mystagogic," c. 350 A.D.)
"The bread and the wine of the Eucharist before the holy invocation of the adorable Trinity were simple bread and wine, but the invocation having been made, the bread becomes the Body of Christ and the wine the Blood of Christ." St. Cyril of Jerusalem ("Catechetical Lectures," 350 A.D.)
"Perhaps you may be saying:'I see something else; how can you assure me that I am receiving the Body of Christ?' It but remains for us to prove it. And how many are the examples we might use! Christ is in that Sacrament, because It is the Body of Christ." St. Ambrose ("The Mysteries," 390 A.D.)
http://www.catholic-defense.com/euchrst2.htm
cont.
marge

Ames, IA

#437160 May 2, 2013
Regina,

1 Corinthians 11

23For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said,“This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 25In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying,“This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.

,took bread,
Human Being

Arnaudville, LA

#437161 May 2, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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UH HUH!
You study only your image of a god, and the Muslim studies only his image of his god, and then you fight over whose image is of the one and only truth.
Theology ... to be fair ... is the study of one's own religion being as faulty as the other person's religion.
But you wranglers of self-perceived truth fail to be fair.
June VanDerMark:

If I am made in the image of God, then I need look but within myself.

I have studied the Bible, Koran, Gitan, and Buddhist writings as well.

Why would you deny me, my Christian name, my God?
Human Being

Arnaudville, LA

#437162 May 2, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
Observe the Catholics and Protestants on this thread bragging about who knows the truth, when they both believe they have acquired eternal wisdom from the same book, yet can't see eye to eye.
Not even one seems to say, I would be best to check if I could be wrong on my theological training and the other person right.
But ego doesn't function that way. It can't see beyond its mountainous self.
June VanDerMark:

And perhaps you are wrong about me?
Regina

Long Branch, NJ

#437163 May 2, 2013
Saint Serapion
Bishop of Thmuis in Lower Egypt, date of birth unknown; d. after 362

Serapion, Saint, Bishop of Thmuis in Lower Egypt, date of birth unknown; d. after 362. His parents were Christian and he was educated among the clergy of Alexandria, probably under the direction of St. Athanasius, who always held him in high esteem. After presiding over a monastery for some years, he was consecrated Bishop of Thmuis some time before 343, for in that year he attended the Council of Sardica as a defender of the Nicene Faith. In 355 St. Athanasius sent him and four other Egyptian bishops on an embassy to Emperor Constantius (337-61) that they might plead on his behalf and refute the charges which the Arians had brought against him. Serapion was deprived of his see in 350 by George, the anti-Patriarch of Alexandria, and sent into exile, hence the title "Confessor" conferred upon him by St. Jerome and the Roman Martyrology (March 21). Between the years 358-62 St. Athanasius addressed to him a letter on the death of Arius (P.G., XXV, 685-90) and four dogmatic epistles, of which one was on the Son of God and three on the Holy Ghost (P.G., XXVI, 529-676). Serapion was a man of great purity of life and extraordinary eloquence. St. Jerome calls him a "scholasticus", or scholar, and says that he wrote a treatise against the Manichaeans, another on the titles of the Psalms, and many useful letters to different parties.
http://oce.catholic.com/index.php...
Regina

Long Branch, NJ

#437164 May 2, 2013
marge wrote:
Regina,
1 Corinthians 11
23For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said,“This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 25In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying,“This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.
,took bread,
Yes, Marge?

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#437165 May 2, 2013
who="June VanDerMark"
Why not ... when your "god" commits abortions. The proof of god's murder in the womb is when fetuses come out of the as dead babies???
He taught women that abortion was a holy cause. What a dirty trick for a god to play on expectant parents.
tongue-in-cheek

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And where does God approve abortion?

KM
Dan

Omaha, NE

#437167 May 2, 2013
marge wrote:
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not true.
Abundantly true.

Please cite evidence to the contrary.
Ella

Rockford, MI

#437168 May 2, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Let me give you an example: up until 1930, all of Christianity was against the use of contraption, believing that God is the author of life and we should not prevent life from entering into this world. Sex is the method that God has for bringing life into existence. Therefore, it should only be done within the sacrament of Holy Matrimony by a man and woman, who formed a covenant bond that should not be broken. Contraception has opened the doors to recreational sex outside of marriage.
This is the world that Protestantism has condoned by forming their own Christianity based on what they interpret in the Bible. This is what happens when you remove the Church.
Less than 100 yrs later, not one Protestant sect opposes contraception and countless others redefined Marriage to allow same sex couples.
Jr high students are given condoms and sex is taught as being ok to do before marriage.
Wake up people.
The body of believers is the church!
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#437169 May 2, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
906 806
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Your post edited for space...
First:
The history of the Romans persecuting, Christians, and not Catholics, because there were no Catholic, is well documented and you know it: Excerpt:
In its first three centuries, the Christian church endured regular (though not constant) persecution at the hands of Roman authorities. This experience, and its resulting martyrs and apologists, would have significant historical and theological consequences for the developing faith.
References
Lk 6:22-23
Epistle 10 (to Emperor Trajan), 96 (in Bettenson et al, Documents of the Christian Church, p. 3).
Epistle 76, Ante-Nicene Fathers 5.403.
"The tradition of martyrdom has entered deep into the Christian consciousness." Kenneth Scott Latourette, A History of Christianity, Volume I: Beginnings to 1500, rev. ed.(Prince Press, 2000), p. 81.
Mark Galli, "The Persecuting Emperors." Christian History, Issue 27 (Vol. XI, No. 3), p. 20.
Maurice M. Hassatt, "Martyr." The Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. IX (Robert Appleton Company, 1910).
Everett Ferguson, "Did You Know?" Christian History, Issue 27 (Vol. XI, No. 3), inside cover.
Robert L. Wilkin, "The Piety of the Persecutors." Christian History, Issue 27 (Vol. XI, No. 3), p. 18.
Ibid.
Ibid., p. 19.
Latourette, p. 82.
cf. Augustine, City of God, 18.52.
Henry Bettenson and Chris Maunder, eds., Documents of the Christian Church, 3rd. ed.(Oxford UP, 1999), p. 2.
Tertullian, Ad nat., 1.7.
"Nero." Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2005. "Christianity." Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2005.
Suetonius, Domitian, 15.
Philip Schaff, "Persecutions under Marcus Aurelius. a.d. 161–180." History of the Christian Church, 2.2.20.
William H.C. Frend, "Persecution in the Early Church." Christian History, Issue 27 (Vol. XI, No. 3), p. 7.
Ibid.
Ibid, p. 8.
Ibid., p. 9.
"Decius, Gaius Messius Quintus Trajanus." Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2005.
Maurice M. Hassatt, "Martyr." The Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. IX (Robert Appleton Company, 1910).
"Diocletian." Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2005.
Dialogue with Trypho the Jew, 110.
"Apologist." Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2005.
Books on Persecution of the Early Church
J.C. Rolfe (trans.), Suetonius: The Lives of the Caesars, trans. from Latin, vol. 2 (1914), Book 6.
John Jackson (trans.), Tacitus: The Annals, trans. from Latin, vol. 3-4 (1931-37), Books 12-16
Miriam T. Griffin, Nero: The End of a Dynasty (1984)
Joyce E. Salisbury, Perpetua's Passion: The Death and Memory of a Young Roman Woman.
John Wagner, The Big Book of Martyrs: Amazing but True Tales of Faith in the Face of Certain Death!
G. W. Bowersock, Martyrdom and Rome.

Frank J. Korn, The Tiber Ran Red: The Age of the Roman Martyrs.
Reinhard Selinger, The Mid-Third Century Persecutions of Decius and Valerian.
Herbert Brook Workman, Persecution in the Early Church.
This info is not Protestant (bible only)"fiction" history as you well know.
These references do not support ANYTHING that you claim in your "failing attempts" to debunk the TRUTH of the historical and biblical proof of Jesus Christ and His One True Apostolic Catholic Church. Ox, you have become an expert at "digging up" (historical information) with a (pre-determined) "anti-catholic agenda" neatly tucked your back pocket". Then, after extracting "whatever information that might fit" into your Protestant (fictitious) Church History book, you "editorialize and just plain "make up" your own distorted conclusions. You Ox are a typical bible only heretic that lives in a "dillusional Church history world of Protestant myths and legends. It is called Reformation Mass confusion. The difference is that WE as Catholics have the "Mass" and YOU have the "confusion"!
Dan

Omaha, NE

#437170 May 2, 2013
Ella wrote:
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The body of believers is the church!
No.

Jesus instituted a visible Church. It's in the Bible. The one you exhort us all to read. That one.

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#437171 May 2, 2013
hojo wrote:
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Christ established "only one" TRUE CHURCH,---- NOT 42,000+ contradicting, and inconsistent Protestant "RELATIVE TRUTH" (what each person "decides for themselves to be true)"denominations that began over 450 years ago with the Reformation...... I/we as Catholics, are just "defending" the TRUTH of over 2000 years of Jesus Christs One True Apostolic Catholic Church..........You bible only bigots are the ones that keep "throwing out" your Protestant "fictitious history myths" as well "your own interpretation (or better yet mis-interpretation) of the bible, making it mean "only what YOU want it to mean"!! Jesus confirms, verifies and gives us His "one and only" TRUE Church in Matthew 16:13-21, appointing Peter (and his bishops successors) as His earthly representative to lead HIS Church, until Jesus (himself) returns again for the second time here on earth. Jesus INITIATED it, Paul VERIFIES it in 1 Timothy 3:15 calling the Church (not the bible alone) as the pinnacle, pillar and foundation of the TRUTH, Church History CONFIRMS it over and over again for over 2000 years.
First you have no idea whether I am Protestant or Catholic or Born Again or whatever. Secondly I see your repeating the same thing over and over in a blog is really converting hordes of people.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#437172 May 2, 2013
Regina wrote:
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Yes, Marge?
This might be a case like Cardinal Newman, a brilliant 19th century theologian who set out to write a book to debunk Catholicism 'once and for all'. He was halfway through and he tossed it to the ground and converted to the Catholic faith- leaving his family and friends behind.

Maybe Marge realized part way thru, that the Apostle Paul believed the bread and wine to be "the Body and Blood of the Lord"
1Corinthians 11:27
Ella

Rockford, MI

#437173 May 2, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="jethro8" i see no harm inthat if the woman is going to have the abortion no matter what,why not use the cells,the baby in a way is helping man kind even thoughhe/she will not be able to enjoy it's benefits
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She shouldn't have the abortion to start with...but if those aborted babies become a big money source, there will be a LOT more abortions.
KM
Unfortunately, aborted babies are already a big money maker. Pepsi, Nestle and some drug companies were boycotted for using aborted fetal cells to enhance their flavorings. Legislation has been proposed to prevent this in the future. In China, the brains of aborted babies is a delicacy and they use fetal tissue for energy boosting pills....
Ella

Rockford, MI

#437174 May 2, 2013
LTM wrote:
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Jesus was born a Jew to Jewish parents, He is called the "KING OF THE JEWS". all who receive Jesus are Lord and Savior are adopted into the family of God Jesus is His first born only begotten son." So all who are born again have a Jewish heritage June. Salvation is from the Jews.
God never turned His back on anyone. Jew or other wise.
We who believe in Jesus are called Christ followers or followers of the way.
Jesus being the way. The first Christ-followers were Jewish.
Yes. The bible says that those that have the circumcission of heart are spiritually jewish.
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AOL

#437175 May 2, 2013
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Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#437176 May 2, 2013
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hojo wrote:
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These references
Edited for space.. Part A

Of course the references support my post!!!!! Why else would they be listed on the web site as the source!!!!!????

Why do you continue to lie,knowing that it could be proven, easily and without any doubt, to be a lie. You said, "you conveniently" insert the word "Catholic" in the book of Revelations or in any other bible passages, "where-ever and when-ever" it will precisely (fit) your anti-catholic "editorialized personal opinion".... Am I wrong?????

You said the Catholic denomination is the bride of Christ!!! I quoted Scripture that shows the absurdity in your words...

I will be glad to repeat:
I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God.

Show me where I did insert the word "Catholic" in the above Scripture I quoted from the Book of Revelation.

Show me, according to your accustaions, adding my own protestant propaganda, garbage interpretation, that is based upon an ingrained, vindictive and hostile attitude topward "anything" that the Catholic Church (to uise your erroeous use of the word church) teaches or believes, in the following Scruipture and my comments supported by said Scripture:

Mt 6:9 ¶ After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.(we are to pray to our Father in Heaven)

Whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.(we are to pray to our Father in Heaven in the name of Jesus Christ....)

You are denying the truth in Christianity, the English dictionary and the Bible when you deny Catholics worship idols...

Quote:
idol: a material effigy that is worshipped; "thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image" (Applicable to Mary and all other idols of "saints" as practiced by Catholics)

effigy: A likeness or image, especially of a person. Symbolically, especially in the form of an effigy.(Applicable to Mary and dead "saints" as practiced by Catholics)

worship:worship:(Christianity / Ecclesiastical Terms) to show profound religious devotion and respect to; adore or venerate (God or any person or thing considered divine), to be devoted to and full of admiration for, to have or express feelings of profound adoration for.(Totally applicable to the practice of Catholics for Mary and dead "saints")

You are denying that Catholics show profound religious devotion and respect to, adore, and
venerate Mary.

Quote: And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.

A, The word "church" in that verse is defined as: a calling out, i.e.(concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both):--assembly.(Nothing said about any demionation....which is what the RCC is!!!!)

B. Your NABre pope approved Bible teaches the same thing: Jesus’ church means the community that he will gather and that, like a building, will have Peter as its solid foundation. That function of Peter consists in his being witness to Jesus as the Messiah, the Son of the living God.

C. None of the seven churches referred to in Revelation is referred to by Christ as "Catholic"..

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#437177 May 2, 2013
1 Samuel 16:7b
“For the LORD does not see as man sees; for man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.’(NKJV)

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#437178 May 2, 2013
Part B
D. History shows Christians being presected....killed...jailed.. etc until sometime in the fourth century!!!! Hundred of years after Christ declared "I will build my church". Not one Catholic is mentiomed.....because....there were none!!!!!

F. History also shows the emporor Constantine founded your denomination...based on paganisum!!!!

Cherry-picking: to choose or take the best or most profitable of (a number of things).

To do so with Scriptre would say that I believe not all of God's Word is equally "best" and/or that not all of His Word is equaly profitable!!!! That will never happen!!!!

You are an expert on this matter...you keep on keeping on repeating the term..so show me, without, as you say, cherrypicking, all Scripture that teaches what one must do to be Saved.....
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#437179 May 2, 2013
Just sayin wrote:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =zuljuu6uqqcXX
I guess this is what goes on in some protestant churches and the audience thinks this is worship. It gave me a nice chuckle.
Wow, wow and wow. That's disturbing.

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