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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 599936 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#437034 May 2, 2013
My Portal wrote:
<quoted text>There is only one Church.
Maybe if you refer to the word synagogue rather than church, you will better understand that had Jesus lived, he would have been a faithful rabbi.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#437035 May 2, 2013
The Catholics compiled the data in the new testament which they didn't finish until the fourth century. Imagine how many lies they managed to conjure during all that time, as some died and other picked up their pens and carried on, to start an "impressive" offshoot religion of Judaism.
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#437036 May 2, 2013
My Portal wrote:
<quoted text>There is only one Church. That is the body of Believers that believe in Christ Jesus as their savior. Denomination, church buildings, or even the Vadican is not a church, they are church buildings or groups that have departed the teachings of the bible.
I believe in Jesus as my Saviour. The Catholic Church teaches Jesus is our Saviour. But I'll bet you have the opinion that we have departed from the teachngs of the bible. What makes you the authority?

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#437037 May 2, 2013
906 806
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
You, Ox just continue to read your Protestant (bible only)"fiction" history as you always have! Your sola scriptura inconsistent, and contradicting Protestants, who are living in a world of denial of the truth, confusion and bible only chaos!!!
Your post edited for space...

First:
The history of the Romans persecuting, Christians, and not Catholics, because there were no Catholic, is well documented and you know it: Excerpt:

In its first three centuries, the Christian church endured regular (though not constant) persecution at the hands of Roman authorities. This experience, and its resulting martyrs and apologists, would have significant historical and theological consequences for the developing faith.

References

Lk 6:22-23
Epistle 10 (to Emperor Trajan), 96 (in Bettenson et al, Documents of the Christian Church, p. 3).
Epistle 76, Ante-Nicene Fathers 5.403.
"The tradition of martyrdom has entered deep into the Christian consciousness." Kenneth Scott Latourette, A History of Christianity, Volume I: Beginnings to 1500, rev. ed.(Prince Press, 2000), p. 81.
Mark Galli, "The Persecuting Emperors." Christian History, Issue 27 (Vol. XI, No. 3), p. 20.
Maurice M. Hassatt, "Martyr." The Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. IX (Robert Appleton Company, 1910).
Everett Ferguson, "Did You Know?" Christian History, Issue 27 (Vol. XI, No. 3), inside cover.
Robert L. Wilkin, "The Piety of the Persecutors." Christian History, Issue 27 (Vol. XI, No. 3), p. 18.
Ibid.
Ibid., p. 19.
Latourette, p. 82.
cf. Augustine, City of God, 18.52.
Henry Bettenson and Chris Maunder, eds., Documents of the Christian Church, 3rd. ed.(Oxford UP, 1999), p. 2.
Tertullian, Ad nat., 1.7.
"Nero." Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2005. "Christianity." Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2005.
Suetonius, Domitian, 15.
Philip Schaff, "Persecutions under Marcus Aurelius. a.d. 161–180." History of the Christian Church, 2.2.20.
William H.C. Frend, "Persecution in the Early Church." Christian History, Issue 27 (Vol. XI, No. 3), p. 7.
Ibid.
Ibid, p. 8.
Ibid., p. 9.
"Decius, Gaius Messius Quintus Trajanus." Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2005.
Maurice M. Hassatt, "Martyr." The Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. IX (Robert Appleton Company, 1910).
"Diocletian." Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2005.
Dialogue with Trypho the Jew, 110.
"Apologist." Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2005.

Books on Persecution of the Early Church

J.C. Rolfe (trans.), Suetonius: The Lives of the Caesars, trans. from Latin, vol. 2 (1914), Book 6.
John Jackson (trans.), Tacitus: The Annals, trans. from Latin, vol. 3-4 (1931-37), Books 12-16
Miriam T. Griffin, Nero: The End of a Dynasty (1984)
Joyce E. Salisbury, Perpetua's Passion: The Death and Memory of a Young Roman Woman.
John Wagner, The Big Book of Martyrs: Amazing but True Tales of Faith in the Face of Certain Death!
G. W. Bowersock, Martyrdom and Rome.
Joyce E. Salisbury, Blood of Martyrs: Unintended Consequences of Ancient Violence.
Everett Ferguson, Church and State in the Early Church (Studies in Early Christianity).
C. Bernard Ruffin, The Days of the Martyrs: A History of the Persecution of Christians from Apostolic Times to the Time of Constantine.
Frank J. Korn, The Tiber Ran Red: The Age of the Roman Martyrs.
Reinhard Selinger, The Mid-Third Century Persecutions of Decius and Valerian.
Herbert Brook Workman, Persecution in the Early Church.

This info is not Protestant (bible only)"fiction" history as you well know.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#437038 May 2, 2013
My Portal wrote:
<quoted text>There is only one Church. That is the body of Believers that believe in Christ Jesus as their savior. Denomination, church buildings, or even the Vadican is not a church, they are church buildings or groups that have departed the teachings of the bible.
Your definition of "the Church":
- the body of Believers that believe in Christ Jesus as their savior.

Citation please.

I ask, because according to the Catholics, the so-called "Church" is of their holding and one must belong to that organization to be part of the so-called "Church".

If course I disagree with this analogy, and I also will disagree with yours.

Why I disagree with both are the following:
a. The so-called "Church" has never been completely defined.
b. The so-called "body of believers" only believe in a portion of Jesus. Wouldn't that make that "body" only a "half of a Church"?

I think you need to do some more research before you start making unfounded conclusions.

Thansk for sharing.
Ella

Rockford, MI

#437039 May 2, 2013
My Portal wrote:
<quoted text>Read the Bible. I believe it states how many from the families of Israel will go to heaven.
Its in Revelation. 12,000 from each tribe except Dan and Ephriam

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#437040 May 2, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Not really. We know the who, what, where, when and whys of the Church. We know what they taught and how those teachings came to be. None of the protestants, gnostics or agnostics/atheists can say that about their beliefs.
Sure they can - by using the same history as you have.

Unfortunately, you don't want to believe that it can be done.

That is a problem with many so-called "Christians", they never want to believe others, not even Jesus.
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#437041 May 2, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
906 806
<quoted text>
Your post edited for space...
First:
The history of the Romans persecuting, Christians, and not Catholics, because there were no Catholic, is well documented and you know it: Excerpt:
In its first three centuries, the Christian church endured regular (though not constant) persecution at the hands of Roman authorities. This experience, and its resulting martyrs and apologists, would have significant historical and theological consequences for the developing faith.
References
Lk 6:22-23
Epistle 10 (to Emperor Trajan), 96 (in Bettenson et al, Documents of the Christian Church, p. 3).
Epistle 76, Ante-Nicene Fathers 5.403.
"The tradition of martyrdom has entered deep into the Christian consciousness." Kenneth Scott Latourette, A History of Christianity, Volume I: Beginnings to 1500, rev. ed.(Prince Press, 2000), p. 81.
Mark Galli, "The Persecuting Emperors." Christian History, Issue 27 (Vol. XI, No. 3), p. 20.
Maurice M. Hassatt, "Martyr." The Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. IX (Robert Appleton Company, 1910).
Everett Ferguson, "Did You Know?" Christian History, Issue 27 (Vol. XI, No. 3), inside cover.
Robert L. Wilkin, "The Piety of the Persecutors." Christian History, Issue 27 (Vol. XI, No. 3), p. 18.
Ibid.
Ibid., p. 19.
Latourette, p. 82.
cf. Augustine, City of God, 18.52.
Henry Bettenson and Chris Maunder, eds., Documents of the Christian Church, 3rd. ed.(Oxford UP, 1999), p. 2.
Tertullian, Ad nat., 1.7.
"Nero." Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2005. "Christianity." Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2005.
Suetonius, Domitian, 15.
Philip Schaff, "Persecutions under Marcus Aurelius. a.d. 161–180." History of the Christian Church, 2.2.20.
William H.C. Frend, "Persecution in the Early Church." Christian History, Issue 27 (Vol. XI, No. 3), p. 7.
Ibid.
Ibid, p. 8.
Ibid., p. 9.
"Decius, Gaius Messius Quintus Trajanus." Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2005.
Maurice M. Hassatt, "Martyr." The Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. IX (Robert Appleton Company, 1910).
"Diocletian." Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2005.
Dialogue with Trypho the Jew, 110.
"Apologist." Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2005.
Books on Persecution of the Early Church
J.C. Rolfe (trans.), Suetonius: The Lives of the Caesars, trans. from Latin, vol. 2 (1914), Book 6.
John Jackson (trans.), Tacitus: The Annals, trans. from Latin, vol. 3-4 (1931-37), Books 12-16
Miriam T. Griffin, Nero: The End of a Dynasty (1984)
Joyce E. Salisbury, Perpetua's Passion: The Death and Memory of a Young Roman Woman.
John Wagner, The Big Book of Martyrs: Amazing but True Tales of Faith in the Face of Certain Death!
G. W. Bowersock, Martyrdom and Rome.
Joyce E. Salisbury, Blood of Martyrs: Unintended Consequences of Ancient Violence.
Everett Ferguson, Church and State in the Early Church (Studies in Early Christianity).
C. Bernard Ruffin, The Days of the Martyrs: A History of the Persecution of Christians from Apostolic Times to the Time of Constantine.
Frank J. Korn, The Tiber Ran Red: The Age of the Roman Martyrs.
Reinhard Selinger, The Mid-Third Century Persecutions of Decius and Valerian.
Herbert Brook Workman, Persecution in the Early Church.
This info is not Protestant (bible only)"fiction" history as you well know.
History shows that the pagan Roman empire persecuted Christians who called themselves Catholic. Can you cite any historical references of Christians who referred to themselves as Southern baptists or even protestant?

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#437042 May 2, 2013
But never mind Catholics. In ancient history the Jews also started an offshoot of polytheistic Judaism to create the one-god dogma. At one time the Jews had multiple gods, and many of the Jews believed in reincarnation ... and some still do believe in reincarnation.

Religion always has had a mind of its own.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#437043 May 2, 2013
989
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus founded the Catholic Church. Why do you think His Church should be called a cult?
Christ did no such thing!!!!!

The history of the Romans persecuting, Christians, and not Catholics is well documented and you know it: Excerpt:

In its first three centuries, the Christian church endured regular (though not constant) persecution at the hands of Roman authorities. This experience, and its resulting martyrs and apologists, would have significant historical and theological consequences for the developing faith.

References

Lk 6:22-23
Epistle 10 (to Emperor Trajan), 96 (in Bettenson et al, Documents of the Christian Church, p. 3).
Epistle 76, Ante-Nicene Fathers 5.403.
"The tradition of martyrdom has entered deep into the Christian consciousness." Kenneth Scott Latourette, A History of Christianity, Volume I: Beginnings to 1500, rev. ed.(Prince Press, 2000), p. 81.
Mark Galli, "The Persecuting Emperors." Christian History, Issue 27 (Vol. XI, No. 3), p. 20.
Maurice M. Hassatt, "Martyr." The Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. IX (Robert Appleton Company, 1910).
Everett Ferguson, "Did You Know?" Christian History, Issue 27 (Vol. XI, No. 3), inside cover.
Robert L. Wilkin, "The Piety of the Persecutors." Christian History, Issue 27 (Vol. XI, No. 3), p. 18.
Ibid.
Ibid., p. 19.
Latourette, p. 82.
cf. Augustine, City of God, 18.52.
Henry Bettenson and Chris Maunder, eds., Documents of the Christian Church, 3rd. ed.(Oxford UP, 1999), p. 2.
Tertullian, Ad nat., 1.7.
"Nero." Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2005. "Christianity." Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2005.
Suetonius, Domitian, 15.
Philip Schaff, "Persecutions under Marcus Aurelius. a.d. 161–180." History of the Christian Church, 2.2.20.
William H.C. Frend, "Persecution in the Early Church." Christian History, Issue 27 (Vol. XI, No. 3), p. 7.
Ibid.
Ibid, p. 8.
Ibid., p. 9.
"Decius, Gaius Messius Quintus Trajanus." Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2005.
Maurice M. Hassatt, "Martyr." The Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. IX (Robert Appleton Company, 1910).
"Diocletian." Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2005.
Dialogue with Trypho the Jew, 110.
"Apologist." Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2005.

Books on Persecution of the Early Church

J.C. Rolfe (trans.), Suetonius: The Lives of the Caesars, trans. from Latin, vol. 2 (1914), Book 6.
John Jackson (trans.), Tacitus: The Annals, trans. from Latin, vol. 3-4 (1931-37), Books 12-16
Miriam T. Griffin, Nero: The End of a Dynasty (1984)
Joyce E. Salisbury, Perpetua's Passion: The Death and Memory of a Young Roman Woman.
John Wagner, The Big Book of Martyrs: Amazing but True Tales of Faith in the Face of Certain Death!
G. W. Bowersock, Martyrdom and Rome.
Joyce E. Salisbury, Blood of Martyrs: Unintended Consequences of Ancient Violence.
Everett Ferguson, Church and State in the Early Church (Studies in Early Christianity).
C. Bernard Ruffin, The Days of the Martyrs: A History of the Persecution of Christians from Apostolic Times to the Time of Constantine.
Frank J. Korn, The Tiber Ran Red: The Age of the Roman Martyrs.
Reinhard Selinger, The Mid-Third Century Persecutions of Decius and Valerian.
Herbert Brook Workman, Persecution in the Early Church.

Logic says: you can't prosecute Catholics that are that there!!!!

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#437044 May 2, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe in Jesus as my Saviour.
Then I suggest you prepare to go in your imagination to Olam Ha Ba and see if you can find a savior name of Jesus over there.

You wouldn't catch a Jew dead or alive in a Christian heaven even IF a Christian heaven existed.

:)

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#437045 May 2, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm only accountable for my own beliefs, not for your religious indoctrination.
If you were a Muslim you would be preaching about Mohammad being the spirit of Allah (God) on earth.
Jesus came to the mideast region so arabs & muslim's will be responsible for their rejection of Jesus as Christ as much or more than any other demographic.

BTW - my grandparents immigrated to the US via Beirut Lebanon because they chose Christ at the risk of life & limb.

now - what will be YOUR argument when you stand before Jesus? i'm just trying to prep you for your big day in court:)
Human Being

Arnaudville, LA

#437046 May 2, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
From what I have witnessed of people who believe they have made the "grade" through reincarnation or salvation ... they are not special in any way whatsoever.
Many have been murderers and blatant con-artists in the guise of holiness.
I don't trust people who preach at others how to behave in order to achieve enlightenment or salvation. There's something very disturbing in their need to behave in such a manner.
June VanDerMark:

The motivation of such people that preach, as one grows older and wiser becomes easier to see, are clearly suspect. And the words such as pride, envy, and greed, and sloth are such motivations.

I would note, that Jesus, did not go about his whole life preaching. It was perhaps 3 years.(Not that he was not capable.) Rather the time had come to do so. Few listened, many heard and just kept going their own way.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#437047 May 2, 2013
Can't ya just hear those Christian feet stomping in temper tantrums?

"Jesus IS GOING TO SAVE ME and take me to heaven, and THAT IS THAT!!!"

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#437048 May 2, 2013
081
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus changed water into alcoholic wine. He gave the disciples alcoholic wine at the last supper. Yes, our Eucharistic wine is alcoholic.
And all this time I was taught the priest drank the blood of Christ!!!! I have never heard of a priest suffering from bloodcoholic...so you must be right!!!

Now I can see why so many priests are alcoholics...there is a Catholic alcoholic retreat a mile from my house!!!!

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#437049 May 2, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus came to the mideast region so arabs & muslim's will be responsible for their rejection of Jesus as Christ as much or more than any other demographic.
BTW - my grandparents immigrated to the US via Beirut Lebanon because they chose Christ at the risk of life & limb.
now - what will be YOUR argument when you stand before Jesus? i'm just trying to prep you for your big day in court:)
YEAH RIGHT. Jesus loves Christians! Jesus turned his back on his Jews ... just for you.

That's quite a story if you can "slide" it by.

:)
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#437050 May 2, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
989
<quoted text>
Christ did no such thing!!!!!
The history of the Romans persecuting, Christians, and not Catholics is well documented and you know it: Excerpt:
In its first three centuries, the Christian church endured regular (though not constant) persecution at the hands of Roman authorities. This experience, and its resulting martyrs and apologists, would have significant historical and theological consequences for the developing faith.
References
Lk 6:22-23
Epistle 10 (to Emperor Trajan), 96 (in Bettenson et al, Documents of the Christian Church, p. 3).
Epistle 76, Ante-Nicene Fathers 5.403.
"The tradition of martyrdom has entered deep into the Christian consciousness." Kenneth Scott Latourette, A History of Christianity, Volume I: Beginnings to 1500, rev. ed.(Prince Press, 2000), p. 81.
Mark Galli, "The Persecuting Emperors." Christian History, Issue 27 (Vol. XI, No. 3), p. 20.
Maurice M. Hassatt, "Martyr." The Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. IX (Robert Appleton Company, 1910).
Everett Ferguson, "Did You Know?" Christian History, Issue 27 (Vol. XI, No. 3), inside cover.
Robert L. Wilkin, "The Piety of the Persecutors." Christian History, Issue 27 (Vol. XI, No. 3), p. 18.
Ibid.
Ibid., p. 19.
Latourette, p. 82.
cf. Augustine, City of God, 18.52.
Henry Bettenson and Chris Maunder, eds., Documents of the Christian Church, 3rd. ed.(Oxford UP, 1999), p. 2.
Tertullian, Ad nat., 1.7.
"Nero." Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2005. "Christianity." Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2005.
Suetonius, Domitian, 15.
Philip Schaff, "Persecutions under Marcus Aurelius. a.d. 161–180." History of the Christian Church, 2.2.20.
William H.C. Frend, "Persecution in the Early Church." Christian History, Issue 27 (Vol. XI, No. 3), p. 7.
Ibid.
Ibid, p. 8.
Ibid., p. 9.
"Decius, Gaius Messius Quintus Trajanus." Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2005.
Maurice M. Hassatt, "Martyr." The Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. IX (Robert Appleton Company, 1910).
"Diocletian." Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2005.
Dialogue with Trypho the Jew, 110.
"Apologist." Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2005.
Books on Persecution of the Early Church
J.C. Rolfe (trans.), Suetonius: The Lives of the Caesars, trans. from Latin, vol. 2 (1914), Book 6.
John Jackson (trans.), Tacitus: The Annals, trans. from Latin, vol. 3-4 (1931-37), Books 12-16
Miriam T. Griffin, Nero: The End of a Dynasty (1984)
Joyce E. Salisbury, Perpetua's Passion: The Death and Memory of a Young Roman Woman.
John Wagner, The Big Book of Martyrs: Amazing but True Tales of Faith in the Face of Certain Death!
G. W. Bowersock, Martyrdom and Rome.
Joyce E. Salisbury, Blood of Martyrs: Unintended Consequences of Ancient Violence.
Everett Ferguson, Church and State in the Early Church (Studies in Early Christianity).
C. Bernard Ruffin, The Days of the Martyrs: A History of the Persecution of Christians from Apostolic Times to the Time of Constantine.
Frank J. Korn, The Tiber Ran Red: The Age of the Roman Martyrs.
Reinhard Selinger, The Mid-Third Century Persecutions of Decius and Valerian.
Herbert Brook Workman, Persecution in the Early Church.
Logic says: you can't prosecute Catholics that are that there!!!!
Logic says that the SBC is filled with anti-intellectuals ignorant of historical fact.

History shows that the pagan Roman empire persecuted Christians who called themselves Catholic. Can you cite any historical references of Christians who referred to themselves as Southern baptists or even protestant?

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#437051 May 2, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus came to the mideast region so arabs & muslim's will be responsible for their rejection of Jesus as Christ as much or more than any other demographic.
BTW - my grandparents immigrated to the US via Beirut Lebanon because they chose Christ at the risk of life & limb.
now - what will be YOUR argument when you stand before Jesus? i'm just trying to prep you for your big day in court:)
Are you talking dirty to the women here yet ?

Did they beg you to leave them alone yet ?
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#437052 May 2, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure they can - by using the same history as you have.
Unfortunately, you don't want to believe that it can be done.
That is a problem with many so-called "Christians", they never want to believe others, not even Jesus.
History shows that the pagan Roman empire persecuted Christians who called themselves Catholic. Can you cite any historical references of Christians who referred to themselves as protestant?

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#437053 May 2, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus came to the mideast region so arabs & muslim's will be responsible for their rejection of Jesus as Christ as much or more than any other demographic.
Jesus died in a river in Japan and he's been seen in a pizza, and cracked linoleum, and other various places in imagination.

In these fantasies Jesus has never been dressed as a Jew, but always as a Christian.

:)

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