Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story

Since: Sep 09

New Hazelton, Canada

#435483 Apr 25, 2013
Human Being wrote:
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June:
But you asked me what I believed? Why would you ask, if you call it irrelevent?
I want to know all beliefs so that I can compare them with the authenticity of the theologians that created the religions. Your belief is irrelevant to the theologians that created your religion.

The theologian that started modernized Paganism was Gerald Gardner, whom they call "the father of Wicca." Gerald believed that the goddess curses homosexuals," and so those who didn't like that way of believing chose to follow a new theologian ... a bi-sexual by the name of Alex Sanders, who started an off-shoot of Gardnarian Wicca, and claimed that the goddess loves every body.

And so it went, and so it goes.

Christianity has many theologians ... most all of them telling conflicting stories, and only believing their own theology. You are simply one among many.

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#435484 Apr 25, 2013
Regina wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sorry you feel that way, but you're quite wrong.
You see, I know who you are.
You seem to think you know who everyone is especially how Christian everyone is. You don't know me. You don't even know yourself. You don't know that part of you that posts the "corrective" posts.

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#435485 Apr 25, 2013
Primum non nocere
socci

Plattsburg, MO

#435486 Apr 25, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
Christianity has many theologians ... most all of them telling conflicting stories, and only believing their own theology. You are simply one among many.

Confirms the Bible that tells us "Satan deceives the whole world".

Your free-will choice is: eternal life or destruction. Those are the only two choices. You are free to choose destruction but why would anyone unless they are a rebel following / deceived by Satan.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#435487 Apr 25, 2013
Is the Bible really the Word of God?
There’s no doubt that this is an important question. If the Bible is the Word of God, it changes everything – the way we view life, the way we live life, and the choices we make. If the Bible is the Word of God, then the Bible is true, and failure to follow, obey and trust it will have eternal consequences. To ignore God’s Word is to ignore God Himself.

God’s love is proved by the existence of the Bible. God did not have to communicate to mankind, but He chose to so that we could know Him, enjoy fellowship with Him, and understand ourselves and the world. If He had not taken the first step to reveal Himself to us through His Word, we simply would not know Him, and we would be left to deduce what we could about the world from what we could sense. But God has graciously shown us the Truth, and it is contained in the Bible. Since God is our Creator (Isaiah 40:28), He is our authority (Isaiah 43:15), and His Word is the final authority for humankind, and the only entirely trustworthy moral litmus test (1 John 2:5). It explains life and death and gives us a clear understanding of right and wrong.

So, how do we know for sure that the Bible we have is the actual Word of God? Could the Bible be just another holy book? What is the evidence that the Bible we buy in the bookstore today is truly the Word of God? First, the Bible itself claims to be the Word of God, in 2 Timothy 3:15-17, which says “… from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”

This is an example of an “internal” evidence that the Bible is the Word of God. Internal evidences are those things stated within the Bible that claim its divine origin. A few other internal evidences are the unity of the Bible, the fulfilled prophecies in the Bible, and the unique, powerful authority of the Bible.

The unity of the Bible means that, even though it was written by more than 40 different authors over three continents, in three different languages, and is comprised of 66 individual documents, it is cohesive down to the last detail. Every supposed contradiction in the Bible can be answered in a satisfactory way. There are no mistakes, and it all works together perfectly. That’s a miracle!

The fulfilled prophecies in the Bible also indicate that it is God’s Word. Hundreds of prophecies about future kingdoms and nations, and most importantly, the Messiah, were spoken forth and then fulfilled, sometimes hundreds of years later. This is all recorded within the Bible itself. Unlike many modern prophecies, the prophecies in Scripture are very detailed and are fulfilled exactly. There is no way this happened by chance. The only answer is that the Bible is of divine origin.

The Bible’s unique authority and power is another internal evidence for its divine origin. This power is revealed by the millions of lives that have been changed by it over the course of human history. Martyrs have given their lives up to preserve its truth. Sinners throughout the ages have been convicted and changed by it, broken hearts have been healed by God’s comforting voice coming through its pages, and salvation has been graciously made available through its record of the life and sacrifice of Jesus Christ. No other book in human history has the power to change lives like the Bible, the Word of the God who created life.

In addition to the internal evidences, there are also external evidences that the Bible is God’s Word. The Bible’s historicity, the integrity of its human authors, and its indestructibility.

cont
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#435488 Apr 25, 2013
cont
The “historicity of the Bible” means it is true and accurate to the historical events recorded by non-religious sources. Archaeological events and historical writings prove the Bible to be true. It is the best-documented book from the ancient world. The accurate historical records found in the Bible give us proof of its truthfulness about spiritual subjects.

The integrity of its human authors is another external evidence of its truthfulness. When the lives of the authors of Scripture are studied, they are found to be honest men. Their willingness to die for what they believed shows that they were sure of their testimonies. Those who wrote the New Testament (and hundreds of others) had seen Jesus Christ after He rose from the dead. If they had been lying about seeing Him, there is no doubt that at least one of them would have been unwilling to die for what he believed to be false. But all the apostles, without exception, remained true to their testimonies until the end of their lives (1 Corinthians 15:6).

The indestructibility of the Bible is another strong evidence that it is indeed God’s Word. Because of its offensive message, which in contrast to every other religion humbles man’s ability to save himself and provides the need for God’s grace instead (Ephesians 2:8-9), the Bible has endured more attacks and attempts to eliminate it than any other book in history. From the early Romans, to the communist dictators, to the atheists and agnostics of modernism and postmodernism, the Bible has survived and is still published more than any other book worldwide.

Over the ages, scoffers have called the Bible a myth, but archeological records have proved it historicity. Others have denounced its teachings as outdated and useless, but its positive impact on the moral and legal systems of cultures around the world is undeniable. Scientists, psychologists and politicians continue to attack the Bible, but its truth has never been disproven and its light has never been snuffed out. It continues to change lives and cultures just as it did 2,000 years ago. God supernaturally protects the Bible, proving that it is indeed His Word, just as it claims to be. Jesus said,“Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away”(Mark 13:31). When all the evidence is before us, there is no doubt that the Bible is truly the Word of God.
socci

Plattsburg, MO

#435489 Apr 25, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
socci wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus is an historic fact that confirms the Biblical account, unlike other religions. Not dogma. Many other religions do not allow conversions, such as Islam. The dogma is your pagan faith that rejects this historic fact.
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Catholics wrote all that nonsense.

Catholics did not write anything. The Roman historians were not Catholic and were trying to exterminate Christianity. Did they also lie about the 1st century Nazarene Christians? Did they exist? If they did why if Jesus never existed?

You see how failed your beliefs are to reject historic facts. Even Wikipedia has had to admit as much, and they are very secular..
http://www.thedevineevidence.com/jesus_histor...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_J...
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#435490 Apr 25, 2013
Are there errors in the Bible?
Those who want to reject the message of the Bible will often point to apparent errors, contradictions, and discrepancies. However, looking at the Bible objectively—a book written by approximately 40 different authors over a period of around 1500 years, and copied over and over by hand for 1400 years until the invention of the printing press—the accuracy and consistency of the Bible is nothing short of astonishing. Each writer wrote with a different style, from a different perspective, to a different audience, for a different purpose. We should expect some minor differences, although differences are not contradictions or errors. Biblical error only occurs where there is absolutely no conceivable way the verses or passages can be reconciled to the rest of Scripture.
Even if an answer to some apparent discrepancies is not available right now, that does not mean an answer does not exist. Many have found a supposed error in the Bible in relation to history or geography, only to find out that the Bible is correct once further archaeological evidence is discovered. For example, for centuries “scientists” believed the earth was flat. The book of Isaiah, written thousands of years before Columbus, declares that God “sits above the circle of the earth”(Isaiah 40:22). Was this an error to the learned scientists of the past?
Whatever minor copists’ errors that may, or may not, exist in Scripture, the overall message comes through loud and clear. Man is sinful by nature, God is holy and must punish sin, Christ came to take that punishment on our behalf, and all who come to Him in faith will have eternal life, while those who reject Him live eternally in hell. Atheists love to point out supposed errors and contradictions and expect others to answer their objections. The truth is that most Bible attackers are not really interested in, nor are they seeking, truth. They are seeking a reason to reject the Bible and the God who wrote it (2 Timothy 3:16). Despite their noisy protestations, one day they will stand before the Author of Scripture who declared it to be perfect, right, pure, true, righteous and more to be desired than gold (Psalm 19).
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#435491 Apr 25, 2013
What is the canon of the Bible and how did we get it?
The “canon” of Scripture is defined as the books of the Bible officially accepted as Holy Scripture. Written by about forty authors over the course of 1500 years, it was essential that a list be drawn up of the books which reflected the truth of God’s message and were inspired by the Holy Spirit. Although each book was canon in God’s eyes as it was written, the canon had to be identified by religious leaders as God did not give a list of books to include. Determining the canon was a process conducted first by Jewish rabbis and scholars and later by early Christians. Ultimately, though, it was God who decided what books belonged in the biblical canon.

The complete canon of the Old Testament wasn’t completed until after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD, but parts had been recognized far earlier. The books of the law (also known as the Torah or Pentateuch—Genesis-Deuteronomy ) were acknowledged as early as 2 Kings 22. The prophets were identified as Scripture by the end of the second century BC. The Psalms were accepted, but the remaining books varied depending on Jewish sect. The rabbinical school of the Pharisees in Jamnia arrived at a final list of twenty-four books, which equate to the thirty-nine books of the Christian Old Testament. Ten books interpreted in the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures) were rejected because of the strict guidelines for canon: books must have conformed to the Torah, and had to have been written in Palestine, in Hebrew, and not after the time of Ezra (about 400 BC). Although the Catholic Bible today includes the Apocrypha, the vast majority of Hebrew scholars considered them to be good historical and religious documents, but not on the same level as the inspired Hebrew Scriptures. The Dead Sea Scrolls, discovered in 1947, have a few minor differences, but they are remarkably similar to the accepted Hebrew Scriptures we have today.

The process for recognizing and collecting the books of the New Testament began in the first centuries of the Christian church. Very early on, some of the New Testament books were recognized as inspired. Paul considered Luke’s writings to be as authoritative as the Old Testament (1 Timothy 5:18; see also Deuteronomy 25:4 and Luke 10:7). Peter referred to Paul’s writings as Scripture (2 Peter 3:15-16). Clement of Rome mentioned at least eight New Testament books (A.D. 95). Ignatius of Antioch acknowledged about seven books (A.D. 115). Polycarp, a disciple of John the apostle, acknowledged 15 books (A.D. 108). Later, Irenaeus mentioned 21 books (A.D. 185). Hippolytus recognized 22 books (A.D. 170-235).

The first “canon” was the Muratorian Canon, compiled in A.D. 170, which included all of the New Testament books except Hebrews, James, and 3 John. The Council of Laodicea (A.D. 363) concluded that only the Old Testament (along with the Apocrypha) and the 27 books of the New Testament were to be read in the churches. The Councils of Hippo (A.D. 393) and Carthage (A.D. 397) reaffirmed the same 27 books as authoritative.

cont
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#435492 Apr 25, 2013
cont

The principles used by the councils to determine whether a New Testament book was truly inspired by the Holy Spirit were fourfold. First, the author must be an apostle or have a close connection with an apostle. Second, the book must have been accepted by the body of Christ at large. Third, the book had to contain consistency of doctrine and orthodox teaching. Finally, the book had to bear evidence of high moral and spiritual values that would reflect a work of the Holy Spirit as the divine Author. Most importantly, however, it must be recognized that it was God, and God alone, who determined which books belonged in the Bible. God, via the inspiration of the Spirit, imparted to His followers what He had already decided. The human process of collecting the books of the Bible was flawed, but God, in His sovereignty, and despite the limitations of sinful man, brought the early church to the recognition of the books He had inspired, and those books are recognized today as the canon of Scripture.
socci

Plattsburg, MO

#435493 Apr 25, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
Mormonism, the Jehovah's Witnesses, and the Free Masons all came along after the 16th century. Islam was an offshoot of Judaism and Christian combobulation, that started in the 7th century. Wicca started about 1949 and is the new kid on the block.
- Mormonism was founded by the Freemason-Templar Joseph Smith.
- JW was founded by the Freemason-Templar Charles Taze Russell.
- Freemasonry was founded by the Templars & Jesuits after the Templars were suppressed.(that's the secret higher levels learn - you've been converted catholic crusader!)
- Islam was founded by Mohammed in the 7th century. Mo was married to a Catholic nun, Khadija. Islam then went about conquering all the Vatican's enemies across the middle east where the romans had just been driven out.
- Wicca and other occultist who write these books are Masons.
- Atheists developed by secular education of the world revolution of the Freemasons. Their so-called 'science' comes from the Royal Society London founded by Freemasons. The Jesuits are also heavily involved in this revolution and education.

The Bible is truth and exposed the Roman Church before it was ever formed. Rome's empire is found in the OT book of Daniel, the NT book of Revelation and elsewhere.
marge

Ames, IA

#435494 Apr 25, 2013
Aretha123 wrote:
<quoted text>You seem to think you know who everyone is especially how Christian everyone is. You don't know me. You don't even know yourself. You don't know that part of you that posts the "corrective" posts.
Some of us use to be like Regina so we know who she is as we use to be like her.

Doesn't mean we don't love her though.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#435495 Apr 25, 2013
What are the Catholic Apocrypha / Deuterocanonical books?
The Apocrypha (also called the Deuterocanonical books) are included in Roman Catholic Bibles and are used by some other traditions within Christianity. What are these additional writings? What is their origin? First, the words themselves cause many readers to pause. The word apocrypha means “hidden,” while the word deuterocanonical means “second canon.” The books found in the Apocrypha were primarily written during the four-hundred-year period between the completion of the Old Testament writings and the beginning of the New Testament’s events (they also include claimed additions to the Old Testament books of Esther and Daniel). These books include 1 Esdras, 2 Esdras, Tobit, Judith, Wisdom of Solomon, Ecclesiasticus, Baruch, the Letter of Jeremiah, Prayer of Manasseh, 1 Maccabees, and 2 Maccabees.

Within early Judaism, the writings of the Apocrypha were treated with respect, but were not accepted as books of the Hebrew Bible. The early Christian church debated the status of the Apocryphal writings, but few early Christians believed they belonged in the canon of Scripture. The New Testament quotes passages from the Old Testament hundreds of times, but nowhere quotes any of the Apocrypha’s books. Further, there are many proven historical errors and contradictions in the Apocrypha.

The Apocryphal books also teach some practices that are inconsistent with Scripture’s teachings. While many Catholics accepted the Apocrypha earlier, the Roman Catholic Church officially added the Apocrypha to their Bible at the Council of Trent in the mid 1500’s A.D., primarily in response to the Protestant Reformation. Part of the reason for this is that the Apocrypha supports some of the traditions the Roman Catholic Church practices that are not taught in the Bible. For example, the Roman Catholic practices of praying for the dead, petitioning “saints” in heaven with their prayers, worshiping angels, and “alms giving” to atone for sins (paying indulgences) all find their support in the Apocrypha, not the Bible.

Some of the Apocrypha include important and helpful information, but due to their historical and theological errors, the books must be viewed as fallible historical and religious documents, not as the inspired, authoritative Word of God.
socci

Plattsburg, MO

#435496 Apr 25, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
When the Jews believed in multiple gods, they had no problem with other gods being worshipped by those in other religions.
But when some of the Jews branched off of polytheism to create the one-god dogma ... they wrote into their book "thou shalt have no other gods before me" which they hoped would stop the worship of multiple gods in all the other religions worshipped up to that time.
But those Jews were not cunning enough to think of writing "thou shalt have no other gods AFTER me."
Had they done written that into their book, my guess is, there would be no Catholics, Muslims or Protestants.

Have no other gods comes from the beginning in GENESIS. The book of Genesis was not written by the Jews.

Theory on the authorship of the book of Genesis:
http://archive.org/details/WhoWroteTheBookOfG...
guest

United States

#435497 Apr 25, 2013
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
Revelation 3:7 "To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.
Doesn't sound like your Pope is holding the key to me.
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Clay wrote:
Why?
And who are you to decide if it is or isn't?
Question: Jesus had a set of keys, right?
Did Jesus Christ give them to Peter or not?
You guys say you're word for word sola scripturist..
This one seems as obvious as anything written in the entire Bible.
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How sad.
Who is the pope to decide if it is or isn't?
Especially after the world has been 'blessed' popes who:
ordered torture and murder of heretics,
sheltered pedophiles,
waged war,
signed concordats with Hitler,
murdered other popes,
... I could go on ...
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and you think he has NOT lost the right to represent God and his son Jesus?
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Dust Storm said it WAS and OFFICE that could be taken away ...
...

so tell me, Clay. Just what level of atrocities would warrant this "office" to be taken form your church?
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Think hard, because I think the head bishops of your church have pretty much covered every kind of horror and atrocity there is.
Regina

Long Branch, NJ

#435498 Apr 25, 2013
Aretha123 wrote:
<quoted text>You seem to think you know who everyone is especially how Christian everyone is. You don't know me. You don't even know yourself. You don't know that part of you that posts the "corrective" posts.
Please find someone else to grind your axe on. I'm not taking the bait.

Peace be with you.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#435499 Apr 25, 2013
480
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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I added much intelligence. You are the one refusing to answer or even post support for the claims you made.
You are starting to act like a Catholic, the ones you seem to despise.
Self.
You are confused...again..

Babbling: To utter a meaningless confusion of words or sounds...

No intelligence in babbling....really..
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#435500 Apr 25, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Why?
And who are you to decide if it is or isn't?
Question: Jesus had a set of keys, right?
Did Jesus Christ give them to Peter or not?
You guys say you're word for word sola scripturist..
This one seems as obvious as anything written in the entire Bible.
The word made flesh we still have the word and we still have Christ. However peter is dead and in the grave til the resurrection the only thing he and the other apostle passed on was the new testament on parchment and scrolls for the generations to come.
socci

Plattsburg, MO

#435501 Apr 25, 2013
Just as the catholic 'virgin mary' is NOT the mother of Jesus Mary who was a virgin the so-called keys of Peter also predate Christianity to previous religions of Rome. The keys are also found in Islam and other religions. Rome only seized upon a biblical text otherwise known as gnosticism. The Roman Church was founded by the first gnostic, Simon Magus.
marge

Ames, IA

#435502 Apr 25, 2013
Regina wrote:
<quoted text>
Please find someone else to grind your axe on. I'm not taking the bait.
Peace be with you.
So your just going to talk about us instead of to us? Come on Regina, think, why are you here, just to hate on us?

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