Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 20 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#434330 Apr 20, 2013
Religion - A Delusion wrote:
Hello mainstream Christians.
Is this poster delusional?

Mainstream is lost. All that matters is what God's word tells us.. Jesus came first to Israel:

"But he answered and said, I am not sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Mt 15:24)

After they rejected him they were cut off:

Mt 21:43 Therefore say I to you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Mt 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you that kill the prophets, and stone them which are sent unto you, how often would I have gathered my children together, even as a hen gathers her chickens under her wings, and you would not! Behold, your house is left to you desolate.

John 4:22,23 You worship you know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour comes, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeks such to worship him.

John 15:5 I am the vine, you are the branches: He that stays in me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit: for without me you can do nothing.
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In fact Israel were sent into bondage numerous times for disobedience:

Exodus 19:5, God said to Israel, "If you will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then you shall be a peculiar treasure to me above all people: for all the earth is mine." Thus the OT physical Israel of twelve tribes being "a peculiar treasure… above all people" was conditional upon their obedience to God's voice.

2 Kings 21:8 Neither will I make the feet of Israel move any more out of the land which I gave their fathers; only if they will observe to do according to all that I have commanded them, and according to all the law that my servant Moses commanded them.
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Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you Jews: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

Acts 18:5,6 Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ. And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean; from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.

Acts 22:19-21 And I said, Lord, they know that I imprisoned and beat in every synagogue them that believed on thee: And when the blood of thy martyr Stephen was shed, I also was standing by, and consenting unto his death, and kept the raiment of them that slew him. And he said unto me, Depart: for I will send thee far hence unto the Gentiles.

Ro 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

1 Cor 10:18 Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar?

Gal.3:7 Know you therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Gal.6:15,16 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision avails any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and on the Israel of God.

Phil.3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that you should show forth the praises of him who has called you out of darkness into his marvelous light; Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God:

and many others.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#434331 Apr 20, 2013
who="Religion - A Delusion"
Everything but a direct answer. Maybe this poster will try.
Do you believe God cares whether you are Protestant or Catholic or Jew or Hindu or Muslim (which is based almost entirely on the region in which you were born btw)?
Yes or no. If yes, please explain why.
(Note that it's difficult to answer specific questions about an imaginary being.)

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God's biggest concern is whether we accept the sacrifice of The Lamb. It's a bit like having a ticket to an event...you can't get in without it. Believing in Him is simply the cost of the ticket (free and easy).

Salvation in the Hebrew means 'victory, prosperity, deliverance, etc.' The Hebrew word is Yeshua (Jesus in English). If you wish to have His SALVATION, there is only ONE way to have it. It does not come through some religious denomination. If you fully trust in Him to save you, your church denomination is not the issue.

No other 'religion' can save you...but He still enters all rooms, the doors being shut. He can get into the house/heart of any man who will welcome Him.

"There is ONE NAME given under heaven through which a man may be saved."

He's not imaginary.

KayMarie

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#434332 Apr 20, 2013
who="ReginaM"
God does take care of them, Kay, just as He takes care of all of us. The child was baptized. Original sin was remitted from his soul and the indelible mark of God has been placed upon him. When the priest traced the cross on his forehead with the Oil of Baptism, God said "You are mine".
God does not leave us subject to something as uncertain and mercurial as sentimentality. He values us far too much for that. He instituted His sacraments so that we don't have to guess about matters such as these. We can be sure.

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Jesus said, "He that believes AND is baptized shall be saved." No one can trace a cross on a baby's face and 'save' it.(What is more sentimental?) You must BELIEVE for yourself.

KayMarie
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#434334 Apr 20, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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"Not to mention the fact that this sinless child is destined to spend eternity in the presence of God."
What happened to original sin??? He ain't got it?? What about "All have sinned and come short of the glory of God"????
He had the stain of original sin washed away when he was baptized 3 weeks after being born. Thanks for asking.
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#434335 Apr 20, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>he is a blessing he survived till birth a lot of children die stillborn so yes in that sense it is a blessing,and if god is real,he gave him the syndrome,you can't have it both ways.
Thank you for your concern. As I said, he was baptized as soon as possible and he is now assured salvation. We, his family, will benefit from his life with us.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#434336 Apr 20, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Which denomination in which religion??? OH WAIT ... let me guess ... YOURS ... RIGHT???
You're not a Muslim ... are you?
Silly people!
:)
I don't believe in denominational religions. I believe God, I believe in God. My faith is in Jesus Christ Nothing < nor anyone else.>
Just because a persons says they believe in God doesn't make them a Christian, satan believe in Him too.
What ever your problem with God is, it's because you have held Him in the same regard you do people, and believe God is exactly how they describe Him to you.
From what you have post so far I am tell you, you are wrong.
The world is an evil evil place, we can not speak for God, God speaks for Himself, through His Holy Word the Bible.
You seem to be happy in your misery, spewn out you hate on here against God, whom you don't even know.
Ella

Rockford, MI

#434337 Apr 20, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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I suggest you read the following.
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From the book “Smith’s Bible Dictionary.
QUOTATIONS FROM THE OLD TESTAMENT IN THE NEW TESTAMENT.—The New Testament quotations from the Old form one of the outward bonds of connection between the two parts of the Bible. They are manifold in kind. In the quotations of all kinds from the Old Testament in the New, we find a continual variation from the letter of the older Scriptures. First, all the New Testament writers quoted from the Septuagint; correcting it indeed more or less by the Hebrew, especially when it was needful for their purpose; still abiding by it to so large an extent as to show that it was the primary source whence their quotations were drawn. Secondly, the New Testament writers must have frequently quoted from memory. Thirdly, combined with this there was an alteration of conscious or unconscious design. Sometimes the object of this was to obtain increased force. Sometimes an Old Testament passage is abridged, and in the abridgment so adjusted, by a little alteration, as to present an aspect of completeness, and yet omit what is foreign to the immediate purpose. In some cased even greater liberty of alteration is assumed. In some places, again, the actual words of the original text are taken up, but employed with a new meaning.
Yes, the Septuagint was the very first translation of the Hebrew Bible into Greek. I use the RSV, KJV, Septuagint and the Complete Jewish Bible (which is from the masoretic text - it is also used in synagogues) in my studies.
ReginaM

Middletown, NJ

#434338 Apr 20, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="ReginaM"
God does take care of them, Kay, just as He takes care of all of us. The child was baptized. Original sin was remitted from his soul and the indelible mark of God has been placed upon him. When the priest traced the cross on his forehead with the Oil of Baptism, God said "You are mine".
God does not leave us subject to something as uncertain and mercurial as sentimentality. He values us far too much for that. He instituted His sacraments so that we don't have to guess about matters such as these. We can be sure.
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Jesus said, "He that believes AND is baptized shall be saved." No one can trace a cross on a baby's face and 'save' it.(What is more sentimental?) You must BELIEVE for yourself.
KayMarie
Pardon me, but that's private interpretation and not what the early Church believed or practiced. Christ instituted the Sacraments for our benefit, not His. The baby was baptized with water and the spirit. He was signed with the Oil of Baptism. His original sin has been cleansed. We don't have to rely on our emotions or the private interpretations of someone else, we can be absolutely certain. That's one of the beauties of obeying Christ and the church He established for our good.
Religion - A Delusion

Titusville, FL

#434339 Apr 20, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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He had the stain of original sin washed away when he was baptized 3 weeks after being born. Thanks for asking.
If the child was not baptized and died very soon after birth, then what?

Limbo? Hell?

You are saying that a simple ritual -- of which the infant has no knowledge -- gives that child special privileges with God.

Personally, I find such a belief absurd and delusional.

Question...

If the infant was born to a Hindu family and died with original sin, why would any God treat that child with less love and consideration?

Please explain why a Hindu infant is at such a disadvantage over an infant born into the "correct" denomination.

You can't.
Religion - A Delusion

Titusville, FL

#434340 Apr 20, 2013
socci wrote:
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We have God's word that tells us what he believes on this matter -- the Bible.
ISLAM was created in the 7th century by a false prophet mentioned a few times in the Bible.
HINDU comes out of Babylon mentioned in the Bible.
CATHOLIC is the harlot new Babylon mentioned in the Bible.
ATHEISM is from the pit / Satan mentioned in the Bible.
The real faith of Jesus, the Creator, is Christianity unchanging since creation.
So in essence, you claim God will torture in Hell for all eternity any and all humans who don't agree with you.

Is that correct?

Yes or no.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#434341 Apr 20, 2013
LTM wrote:
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I don't believe in denominational religions. I believe God, I believe in God.
But you don't believe in salvation of Muslims and Hindus and Buddhists and Jews, etc ... right?

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#434342 Apr 20, 2013
Religion - A Delusion wrote:
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If the child was not baptized and died very soon after birth, then what?
Limbo? Hell?
You are saying that a simple ritual -- of which the infant has no knowledge -- gives that child special privileges with God.
Personally, I find such a belief absurd and delusional.
Question...
If the infant was born to a Hindu family and died with original sin, why would any God treat that child with less love and consideration?
Please explain why a Hindu infant is at such a disadvantage over an infant born into the "correct" denomination.
You can't.
Of course they can't explain it, so they go back again and again and again searching for scriptures that they hope will convince them and others that what they believe justifies what they believe.

It's comparable to a dog attacking it's own leg and wondering why the confusion doesn't cease.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#434343 Apr 20, 2013
303
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Oxbow"
"Not to mention the fact that this sinless child is destined to spend eternity in the presence of God."
What happened to original sin??? He ain't got it?? What about "All have sinned and come short of the glory of God"????
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Jesus left the honor, glory and luxury of heaven to come to earth and suffer the reproach, hatred and torture of the ungodly, IN ORDER TO PAY THE DEBT OF SIN FOR ALL MEN.
After the crucifixion He went into hell and preached the gospel (good news of God's love) to all those of Noah's time, giving them opportunity to receive that love.
(1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.)
One Who suffered so much for us, and Who went so far to make provision for everyone who would receive Him, will not 'leave one stone unturned' in order to reach everyone.
As for 'all have sinned'... God knows ALL things...we don't...so I am happy to let HIM take care of those children. His judgment is ALWAYS fair and right...AND HE WILL NOT MISTREAT ONE OF THEM.. I don't have to worry about it for a minute.
KayMarie
I am not, have not, will not, question God's judgment, on anything...that is not what my post is about

Any way you cut it, slice it, dice it, vulcanize it, it does not, for one second, change, alter. erase, add to Scripture:

Ro 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#434344 Apr 20, 2013
St. Augustine: "Diligite homines, interficite errores; sine superbia de veritate præsumite, sine sævitia pro veritate certate" (Love men, slay error; without pride be bold in the truth, without cruelty fight for the truth)(Against Petilian 1.29).

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#434345 Apr 20, 2013
I believe for their own entertainment, those people that owned the dog taught it to attack its own leg.

Theologians taught people mental confusion which in turn resulted in them attacking their own consciences ... such as occurred with Mother Teresa.

She was so confused she wanted to die in order to find peace.
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Mother Teresa, Come Be My Light … The Private Writings of the “Saint of Calcutta”… edited and with commentary by Brian Kolodiejchuk, M.C.

The Documents

On some of the letters and notes about her interior darkness, Mother Teresa had written “matter of conscience.”

I have such a deep longing for God and death.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#434346 Apr 20, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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I am not, have not, will not, question God's judgment
Do you ever question why a Jewish god in "his" right mind would save a Christian, but shun a Jew?

I understand that you don't want to think about these confronting issues, but no-one can do it for you.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#434347 Apr 20, 2013
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Anthony MN wrote:
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He had the stain of original sin washed away when he was baptized 3 weeks after being born. Thanks for asking.
Sheep dip.....Your Bible must have this teaching missing:

"And Jesus saw, as he passed on his way, a man who had been blind from his birth. Whereupon his disciples asked him, Master, was this man guilty of sin, or was it his parents, that he should have been born blind? Neither he nor his parents were guilty, Jesus answered; it was so that God’s action might declare itself in him."

Change "blind" with "down syndrome"...

And...it does not change nor make ineffective: For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God..

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#434348 Apr 20, 2013
332
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="ReginaM"
God does take care of them, Kay, just as He takes care of all of us. The child was baptized. Original sin was remitted from his soul and the indelible mark of God has been placed upon him. When the priest traced the cross on his forehead with the Oil of Baptism, God said "You are mine".
God does not leave us subject to something as uncertain and mercurial as sentimentality. He values us far too much for that. He instituted His sacraments so that we don't have to guess about matters such as these. We can be sure.
**********
Jesus said, "He that believes AND is baptized shall be saved." No one can trace a cross on a baby's face and 'save' it.(What is more sentimental?) You must BELIEVE for yourself.
KayMarie
Absolutely....truth based on Scripture...which Catholics have no problem denying in favor of the lie they believe from the vatacan...

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#434349 Apr 20, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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Absolutely....truth based on Scripture...which Catholics have no problem denying in favor of the lie they believe from the vatacan...
You question the belief of others as being wrong, but you refuse to question the idea that your beliefs could be wrong.
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From the book “Twisted Scriptures,” by Mary Alice Chrnalogar, published in 1997.

Tricks to Keep You Controlled

Leaders get you to believe that they don’t interpret the Bible but just “teach what is in the Bible”—making the Bible synonymous with their interpretations.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#434350 Apr 20, 2013
From the book-Cults—by Lowell D. Streiker. Published 1983.

The more intensely dissatisfied the individual is, the more he will project upon the mysterious other (be it person, deity, or movement) those qualities he finds most lacking in himself.

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